big fat tariff help make US company's stay in business and pull those dirty jobs away from China . I don't know why the Trump does not round up the tariff at 100 % can't have those poor Chinese choking can we . China saying is going to do this or that to combat pollution is only just that ,saying . Their leadership claimed they were going to close steel mills that were not up to standard , ha what a farking joke . China has been exporting sola panels here at well below cost , thankfully , now with a nice fat tariff slapped on em they might even dump some cheaper still . Every cloud has a silver lining .
P.S. ever noticed that dating sites have many young Chinese woman depicted in front of a cherry trees in their profile pics ? Poor bloody cherry tree , never gets a moment piece and the dating market would collapse in China if that long dead President Washington was wandering the earth with his bloody great axe and cut the only cherry tree in china down
How about the inverse of clouds with silver linings.... air pollution in China hinders solar power generation there almost as much as clouds can.
Date: October 23, 2017 Source: Princeton University, Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs Summary: Severe air pollution in northern and eastern China blocks about 20 percent of sunlight from reaching solar panel arrays in winter, according to a new study.
"China is rapidly expanding its solar power supply, hoping to meet 10 percent of the nation's electricity needs with solar energy by 2030. But there's a problem: severe air pollution is blocking light from the sun, significantly reducing China's output of solar energy, particularly in the northern and eastern parts of the country.
This issue is worst in the winter, when -- according to research from Princeton University -- air pollution in these regions blocks about 20 percent of sunlight from reaching solar panel arrays, on average. That makes air pollution's wintertime effect on solar energy production as significant as that of clouds, which have long been considered the main impediment to solar energy production."
More than a million people are thought to die a year from air pollution in China, but now the country is fighting back with innovative solutions.
In China today, air pollution kills an estimated 1.1 million people a year. Tangshan is ranked as the country’s sixth most polluted city—and the top five are also in Hebei. Coal smoke from the region’s factories and power plants drifts toward Beijing, contributing to the capital’s infamous “airpocalypses” (there’s one happening this week).
Three years ago, at the Communist Party’s annual congress, Premier Li Keqiang declared war on air pollution in China. At the party congress this past March, he renewed his vow “to make our skies blue again.” Among Li’s main weapons: Reducing the production of steel and of coal-fired electricity. To replace coal, China is rolling out the world’s biggest investment in wind and solar power.
The benefits, if it’s successful, will be felt not just in Tangshan but all over the planet: China is the world’s largest emitter of climate-warming greenhouse gases. But in Tangshan, people are also feeling the costs of the fight for cleaner air.
Public anger about dirty air has forced the government’s hand. Levels of fine-particulate pollution in the Beijing region had fallen by more than 25 percent in 2014 and 2015, as initial cuts bore fruit, but in late 2016 and early 2017 they spiked again.
A Greenpeace analysis revealed why: Steel production actually increased in 2016, in spite of earlier reductions in capacity, because the central government was stimulating demand and local officials were protecting their mills (read more about this problem).
From the Chemical and Engineering News 26th June 2017. "The bad news about air quality in China is well known. Almost every winter, as temperatures cool in the north of the country and homes need to be heated, China makes headlines around the world for the poor quality of its air. A particularly bad episode last December was dubbed Airpocalypse. During Airpocalypse, several cities in northern China reported air pollution readings that were off the scale. Hundreds of flights out of the capital, Beijing, were cancelled. Schools were closed. And municipal governments declared a red alert on the smog, which affected nearly 500 million people. More recently, in May, vehicular and industrial emissions combined with a sandstorm to again send pollution levels off the charts in Beijing. But the headlines and ominous pictures distract attention from a positive trend. Chinese authorities are doing more and more to control air pollution, and the effort is starting to pay off. Despite sustained economic growth, rising electricity generation, and increasing numbers of cars on the road, air quality in major Chinese cities—including Beijing—is slowly starting to improve."
galrads: How about the inverse of clouds with silver linings.... air pollution in China hinders solar power generation there almost as much as clouds can.
Date: October 23, 2017 Source: Princeton University, Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs Summary: Severe air pollution in northern and eastern China blocks about 20 percent of sunlight from reaching solar panel arrays in winter, according to a new study.
"China is rapidly expanding its solar power supply, hoping to meet 10 percent of the nation's electricity needs with solar energy by 2030. But there's a problem: severe air pollution is blocking light from the sun, significantly reducing China's output of solar energy, particularly in the northern and eastern parts of the country.
This issue is worst in the winter, when -- according to research from Princeton University -- air pollution in these regions blocks about 20 percent of sunlight from reaching solar panel arrays, on average. That makes air pollution's wintertime effect on solar energy production as significant as that of clouds, which have long been considered the main impediment to solar energy production."
Solar power is lot more than just pointing panels at the sky . They very seldom or ever reach their stated output , at any point during the day . 20% is quite small amount of performance loss for fixed panels . I would guess on fixed panels half or less during the day is more like it , its a matter of sizing up to meet the load . Different if you are trying to squeeze the last amp out of them . Again there are two different types of panels , one more suited to overcast conditions , apparently I have the other type so it was pointed out to me . I have seen both smoke and snow drop output markedly as well as a small shadow , drops amps no end much more than the percentage of area shadowed . Panels are being touted as a green power source , I'm not convinced , certainly not in a micro situation . And as for a macro supply it has to be used during the day as its produced . I used to see BP oils adds in the National Geographic depicting an African child reading at night with a single bulb , power by BP's panels , what a larf , most people seeing that would not have a clue what was needed behind the scenes to make it all work . If China wants air they can breath they should go nuclear .
epirb: Solar power is lot more than just pointing panels at the sky . They very seldom or ever reach their stated output , at any point during the day . 20% is quite small amount of performance loss for fixed panels . I would guess on fixed panels half or less during the day is more like it , its a matter of sizing up to meet the load . Different if you are trying to squeeze the last amp out of them . Again there are two different types of panels , one more suited to overcast conditions , apparently I have the other type so it was pointed out to me . I have seen both smoke and snow drop output markedly as well as a small shadow , drops amps no end much more than the percentage of area shadowed . Panels are being touted as a green power source , I'm not convinced , certainly not in a micro situation . And as for a macro supply it has to be used during the day as its produced . I used to see BP oils adds in the National Geographic depicting an African child reading at night with a single bulb , power by BP's panels , what a larf , most people seeing that would not have a clue what was needed behind the scenes to make it all work . If China wants air they can breath they should go nuclear .
The top ten solar power countries by Gigawatts
10. Pakistan (10GW) 9. Australia (12.2GW) 8. France (12.8GW) 7. United Kingdom (14.2GW) 6. Italy (22.6GW) 5. Germany (48.4GW) 4. India (57.4GW) 3. Japan (63.3GW) 2. United States (85.3GW) 1. China (130.4GW)
China is trying to stay away from Nuclear, because of the problems associated with earthquakes, so wind/solar makes more sense.
It would be interesting to see those statistics somehow made per capita... So we arent comparing apples with oranges. We in Australia are amongst the worst polluters per capita, I always wonder if being a major exporter of coal is the reason, does all the coal we export go on our per capita or on the other countries that burn its' per capita?
They're pretty easy statistics to manipulate, choosing how one accounts for it all. But yeah, my mother got sore eyes in Shanghai but I didnt. The scale of development there is mindbogglingly huge.
epirb: Solar power is lot more than just pointing panels at the sky . They very seldom or ever reach their stated output , at any point during the day . 20% is quite small amount of performance loss for fixed panels . I would guess on fixed panels half or less during the day is more like it , its a matter of sizing up to meet the load . Different if you are trying to squeeze the last amp out of them . Again there are two different types of panels , one more suited to overcast conditions , apparently I have the other type so it was pointed out to me . I have seen both smoke and snow drop output markedly as well as a small shadow , drops amps no end much more than the percentage of area shadowed . Panels are being touted as a green power source , I'm not convinced , certainly not in a micro situation . And as for a macro supply it has to be used during the day as its produced . I used to see BP oils adds in the National Geographic depicting an African child reading at night with a single bulb , power by BP's panels , what a larf , most people seeing that would not have a clue what was needed behind the scenes to make it all work . If China wants air they can breath they should go nuclear .
China will probably be the first to go Fusion in the not too distant future but probably not in my lifetime...
Meanwhile ... China’s ageing solar panels are going to be a big environmental problem
galrads: Air Quality in China means 760k premature deaths there annually and 20% less solar power.
China has an air quality monitoring network with about 1500 sites. 1500 air quality monitoring sites for all of China? The state of Ohio has that many continuous and intermittent air sampling and reporting stations.
My friends recently visited several locations there including Disney China. They felt sick with low energy every day they were there. They dealt with eyes burning, coughing, gagging with throats that felt like they were breathing fire.
Air pollution there cuts three years of an individuals lifespan.
Why do they put up with such airborne filth in China?
China tops world for air pollution and carbon dioxide emissions. As for me, better go to Taiiwan or Hong Kong to taste the Chinese culture, since these places are less polluted. Big waves of rich Chinese immigrants in the US specially San Francisco, New York, L.A., Honolulu... China Town in Vancouver is so huge that it was like a modern clean Hong Kong , but it seems , this is the most Asian city, due to its large Chinese population.
Good reason for the affluent to leave China, because industrial pollution has made cancer China's leading cause of death. According to the Chinese Ministry of Heath, 500 million people in China are without safe and clean drinking water!
JoyCrest: China tops world for air pollution and carbon dioxide emissions. As for me, better go to Taiiwan or Hong Kong to taste the Chinese culture, since these places are less polluted. Big waves of rich Chinese immigrants in the US specially San Francisco, New York, L.A., Honolulu... China Town in Vancouver is so huge that it was like a modern clean Hong Kong , but it seems , this is the most Asian city, due to its large Chinese population.
Good reason for the affluent to leave China, because industrial pollution has made cancer China's leading cause of death. According to the Chinese Ministry of Heath, 500 million people in China are without safe and clean drinking water!
According to the guardian.... Shanghai, with its chic cafes, glitzy shopping malls and organic health food shops, is emblematic of improving quality of life for China’s urban middle class.
Yet while the city’s veil of smog has lifted slightly in recent years, its water pollution crisis continues unabated – 85% of the water in the city’s major rivers was undrinkable in 2015, according to official standards, and 56.4% was unfit for any purpose.
I hope their water quality never gets as bad as it did in Flint, Michigan.
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big fat tariff help make US company's stay in business and pull those dirty jobs away from China . I don't know why the Trump does not round up the tariff at 100 % can't have those poor Chinese choking can we . China saying is going to do this or that to combat pollution is only just that ,saying . Their leadership claimed they were going to close steel mills that were not up to standard , ha what a farking joke . China has been exporting sola panels here at well below cost , thankfully , now with a nice fat tariff slapped on em they might even dump some cheaper still . Every cloud has a silver lining .
P.S. ever noticed that dating sites have many young Chinese woman depicted in front of a cherry trees in their profile pics ? Poor bloody cherry tree , never gets a moment piece and the dating market would collapse in China if that long dead President Washington was wandering the earth with his bloody great axe and cut the only cherry tree in china down
How about the inverse of clouds with silver linings.... air pollution in China hinders solar power generation there almost as much as clouds can.
Date: October 23, 2017
Source: Princeton University, Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs
Summary: Severe air pollution in northern and eastern China blocks about 20 percent of sunlight from reaching solar panel arrays in winter, according to a new study.
"China is rapidly expanding its solar power supply, hoping to meet 10 percent of the nation's electricity needs with solar energy by 2030. But there's a problem: severe air pollution is blocking light from the sun, significantly reducing China's output of solar energy, particularly in the northern and eastern parts of the country.
This issue is worst in the winter, when -- according to research from Princeton University -- air pollution in these regions blocks about 20 percent of sunlight from reaching solar panel arrays, on average. That makes air pollution's wintertime effect on solar energy production as significant as that of clouds, which have long been considered the main impediment to solar energy production."