Always remember - The tide Will turn - Who believes in Karma ? (27)
ChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 PostsAnd of course karma comprises the worst sort of revenge - the curse. You don't get even with people, you let the ill-feeling grow inside you and hope that life itself curses your enemies. There's no blessing or forgiveness in Karma or room for anything not contractually obligated - karma is the reason why India has an untouchables caste for example, it is a dull foul cretinous belief which keeps things as they are in the interest of a few.
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ChesneyChrist: And of course karma comprises the worst sort of revenge - the curse. You don't get even with people, you let the ill-feeling grow inside you and hope that life itself curses your enemies. There's no blessing or forgiveness in Karma or room for anything not contractually obligated - karma is the reason why India has an untouchables caste for example, it is a dull foul cretinous belief which keeps things as they are in the interest of a few.
And an eye for an eye is manly evil. An eye for an eye is karma if karma was blunt and direct.
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ChesneyChrist: I've refined where I'm going with this. Karma is everything meant by womanly evil. Karma is a b*tch.
U r strange:-
How can u make up opinions on a subject u know nothing about.
The only way to know something, is to experience it, first, and then u have to leave it at the back of ur mind for quite a while.
U know ?
Baby steps ?
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Mornin anyone for a cuppa
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Sparrowgael: Not confusing at all. If we are spiritual beings having a human experience, we are creating our reality ; ergo we get what we think we get; whatever philosophy you subscribe to is the exact philosophy you are supposed to subscribe to for this life experience and you are playing by the rules inherent therein but subject to change in other life experiences (before and after as they are not linear) based on necessary lessons and karmic retribution.
"I" think YOU think TOO MUCH for your own good, Girl! And THAT'S saying a LOT, coming from ME! "I" get into philosophical arguments WITH MYSELF (over whether I should eat potato chips, peaches, pickles, or nothing at all!)! But I don't think I'm even in YOUR league!I DON'T think we create our whole world/reality, although I DO believe that we contribute to the manifestation of the "reality" that we live in. (I'm more of a mind that WE ALL contribute to the "world" we all live in.) And I DO consider that the "reality" that we "see" is a function of HOW we "choose" to look at it! And thus, our perspective/philosophy controls our "responses" to that "world". There IS NO "before and after"! And it's NOT linear! Time is a creation of mankind, that he created in order to allow him to talk about/order his experiences! As long as you understand that there is only "here" and "now" (You SAY you're a buddhist! YOU should understand this "concept" WITHOUT elaboration!), and everything else is just an illusion. And there ARE NO "OTHER" life experiences! We are, and ever will be. "WE" are NOT our bodily manifestations! ALL "life" is ONE life! There ARE NO different/distinct "lives". There IS no birth, or death. There IS no "then" (either past, or future). I THINK you know/understand all this! I just think you describe it poorly! But I'm glad you think about such things!
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ChesneyChrist: “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.
"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”
Tolkien
My whole phillosophy stands against karma. Every man gets more or less than he deserves, not what he deserves, and the best amongst us endure the worst of times where the least amongst us create them.
I suppose I believe that legacy is karmic. We respect heroes for taking on more than their share of suffering and hold in contempt those who shirk in ease. If you live right and if you do greatly posterity will reward you for it in memory, but if you're a small and twatty you'll find that kids today show no respect. People in their own lifetime get more or less than they deserve as the fates decide, but the test of time is something else.
"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”
Tolkien
My whole phillosophy stands against karma. Every man gets more or less than he deserves, not what he deserves, and the best amongst us endure the worst of times where the least amongst us create them.
I suppose I believe that legacy is karmic. We respect heroes for taking on more than their share of suffering and hold in contempt those who shirk in ease. If you live right and if you do greatly posterity will reward you for it in memory, but if you're a small and twatty you'll find that kids today show no respect. People in their own lifetime get more or less than they deserve as the fates decide, but the test of time is something else.
Me thinks, perhaps, you completely MISunderstand "karma", my friend! I've read your whole elaboration on karma (in THIS thread), Chesney. And you seem OBSESSED with including some element of "possession(s)" in your concept! THERE IS NO "TWIX", involved in "karma"! You did WELL to quote Gandalf! But REVIEW what he said! It's all about ACTION! What we DO, that is involved in karma! Karma is ABSOLUTELY "action". Cause, and effect! What you DO, is what determines EVERYTHING! What you HAVE, has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with ANYTHING, in "karma". Karma DOESN'T say that "every man GETS what he deserves (in THIS life/manifestation)! It says that every man GOT what he deserved, when he started his manifestation! NOT more, or less! And what he does in/with THIS manifestation determines his STARTING POINT, in/for his NEXT manifestation! If you START with everything, or nothing, it DOESN'T matter. As far as karma is concerned, they're BOTH the same! Your "objection" seems to be MORE with what people THINK their "position/starting point" ENTITLES them to do! But just because people THINK that they can MISbehave, because of their position/situation, has NOTHING to do, with karma. If they DO MISbehave, then Karma will see that they DON'T return to THAT, or a BETTER position/situation/starting point to begin their NEXT manifestation. It's their DOING, NOT their thinking OR their "position/situation" that karma deals with. And "karma" is NOT concerned with "legacy", at all. And how OTHERS "see" you has absolutely NO bearing on "karma", either. YOUR "karma" is all about YOU! NOBODY else! Your "actions" determine YOUR karma! NOT anybody else's! Just like THEIR "karma" has NOTHING to do with YOU! It DOESN'T EFFECT YOU, in any way! Karma is ALL about "progressing", as a lifeform. YOUR karma! YOUR lifeform. And "fate" (if there IS such a thing) has absolutely nothing to do with ANYTHING, as far as karma is concerned. Karma says that IF somebody lets their position/situation effect their judgment of correct behavior in THIS life, then THAT MISbehavior will be reflected in their NEXT manifestation's starting point. If you behave WELL, in THIS manifestation, then, when you start your NEXT manifestation, you'll have less ground to cover, to become integrated with the "oneness". If you MISbehave, then your starting point, for your NEXT manifestation will be FARTHER REMOVED from that "oneness". It's all about making GOOD choices. "DO"ing right ACTIONS. At the point of "action" choice. And the effect that choosing correctly has on your evolution, as a "soul". Anything OUTSIDE those choices/actions, has NOTHING to do with "karma". Your "karma" confers NO "entitlements"! The idea that you have an "entitlement" is ALWAYS a poor/bad choice! As far as "karma" is concerned.Just a little "food for thought", my friend.
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