artificial intelligense (91)
lifeisadream: but what is the finish line?
immortality?
extinction?
a boring existence ?
a useless existence?
immortality?
extinction?
a boring existence ?
a useless existence?
Do you SERIOUSLY WANT a "finish" line? 
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lifeisadream: but what is the finish line?
immortality?
extinction?
a boring existence ?
a useless existence?
immortality?
extinction?
a boring existence ?
a useless existence?
Let_Us: Do you SERIOUSLY WANT a "finish" line?
Do you know what this ? means?
Besides, what ever I want that is going to be, period.
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Let_Us: Okay. No problem. If YOU choose to see an "Oxymoron" as a "stylistic device", I can't appreciate your point of view. And I'll even use them PURPOSELY, for that SPECIFIC purpose. To make my reader STOP! And think! But "I" SEE an oxymoron as a word or phrase that is, on it's face, INHERENTLY NONsensical! In OTHER words, that it DOESN'T make ANY "sense". Which "I" interpret to mean that there is NO logical relationship INHERENT in the word or phrase. Which is the BASIS of my argument concerning "artificial intelligence". There is NO COMPREHENSIBLE "relationship" between these two words! "Intelligence" CAN NOT "BE" artificial". By definition, artificial means NOT "real"! MY position is that intelligence IS intelligence! And, therefore/thereby, CANNOT be "artificial"! It either IS, or it ISN'T! You CAN'T "BE" a little bit pregnant! Just like you CAN'T BE ARTIFICIALLY intelligent! Pills CAN'T make you intelligent! MORE intelligent, YES! But intelligent, NO! Can a machine be made to be intelligent? Maybe. But not PRESENTLY! SMART, YES! Intelligent, NO!
I have NO PROBLEM with "enhanced intelligence". Or "machine intelligence" (although I don't BELIEVE that machine intelligence exist! At least, NOT yet!) Machines are pretty good at PROCESSING large amounts of information. And programmers are beginning to get a handle on pattern recognition, which will start a revolution in that machines will THEN be able to "learn". But having large amounts of information and being able to analyse patterns therein, is NOT "intelligence"! It's "LEARNING". And the two are DIFFERENT things!
I agree that the INTENT, when the term "artificial intelligence" was coined, was NOT to be a "contradiction in terms" (as you so accurately describe it), OR to make people think. I think it's "origins" are ENTIRELY INNOCENT of ANY "ulterior" motive.
And I have no problem with your "derivation" of the word "intelligent/ce". But I have SOME problems with defining it as "understanding". To ME, "intelligence" provides/allows "understanding", but the "understanding" is DIFFERENT than/from "intelligence". I don't have a language (or language skills) that allow me to describe the difference well. About the best I can do (I think), is to say that "intelligence" is an "ability", whereas "understanding" is a "condition" or "state" of being. I don't know if that makes any sense to you. But I don't know any words that express it better.
But I appreciated reading your REASONED "analysis" of the discussion underway. You stated your position MUCH BETTER than the man who was objecting to my commentary. Thanks for jumping in!
I have NO PROBLEM with "enhanced intelligence". Or "machine intelligence" (although I don't BELIEVE that machine intelligence exist! At least, NOT yet!) Machines are pretty good at PROCESSING large amounts of information. And programmers are beginning to get a handle on pattern recognition, which will start a revolution in that machines will THEN be able to "learn". But having large amounts of information and being able to analyse patterns therein, is NOT "intelligence"! It's "LEARNING". And the two are DIFFERENT things!
I agree that the INTENT, when the term "artificial intelligence" was coined, was NOT to be a "contradiction in terms" (as you so accurately describe it), OR to make people think. I think it's "origins" are ENTIRELY INNOCENT of ANY "ulterior" motive.
And I have no problem with your "derivation" of the word "intelligent/ce". But I have SOME problems with defining it as "understanding". To ME, "intelligence" provides/allows "understanding", but the "understanding" is DIFFERENT than/from "intelligence". I don't have a language (or language skills) that allow me to describe the difference well. About the best I can do (I think), is to say that "intelligence" is an "ability", whereas "understanding" is a "condition" or "state" of being. I don't know if that makes any sense to you. But I don't know any words that express it better.
But I appreciated reading your REASONED "analysis" of the discussion underway. You stated your position MUCH BETTER than the man who was objecting to my commentary. Thanks for jumping in!
My bad! That's SUPPOSED to read "CAN"! Spell Check DIDN'T catch it, because it's NOT misspelled! Only MIStyped! Sorry, Innocentia!
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the finish line is we die and your soul(we all have one) goes back to the creator and is judged on judgement day.
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lifeisadream: Do you know what this ? means?
Besides, what ever I want that is going to be, period.
Besides, what ever I want that is going to be, period.
YES! I know it means that
#1. It means that "YOU" either DON'T know!
#2. Or "YOU" DON'T understand!
#3. Or "YOU" are just UNSURE of WHAT you want!
Any MORE silly questions?
And I HATE to be the bearer of BAD tidings, but WHATEVER you want, has an 0.376% chance of "BE"ing! But, GOOD LUCK!
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crayons: i AVOID all AI gadgets and appliances,
they have a wifi gadget out now that
you talk to and will talk back to you
record's your conversation and will
turn on or off your
smart TV that spies on you
does computer searches on voice command
record's what you have in your fridge
operates dishwasher, heat and air
links up to kids toys and talks to them
and most of the data is stored.
but many people buy into this smart home
stuff and many new home builders today
incorporate this tech into their end product.
they have a wifi gadget out now that
you talk to and will talk back to you
record's your conversation and will
turn on or off your
smart TV that spies on you
does computer searches on voice command
record's what you have in your fridge
operates dishwasher, heat and air
links up to kids toys and talks to them
and most of the data is stored.
but many people buy into this smart home
stuff and many new home builders today
incorporate this tech into their end product.
Yeah good call (((laughin))) costly to update an old trailer anyway..
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bohemianjack: Yeah good call (((laughin))) costly to update an old trailer anyway..
My good man, I'll have you know it's an antique school bus with an underground, reinforced concrete bunker!!
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Let_Us:
I have NO PROBLEM with "enhanced intelligence". Or "machine intelligence" (although I don't BELIEVE that machine intelligence exist! At least, NOT yet!) Machines are pretty good at PROCESSING large amounts of information. And programmers are beginning to get a handle on pattern recognition, which will start a revolution in that machines will THEN be able to "learn". But having large amounts of information and being able to analyse patterns therein, is NOT "intelligence"! It's "LEARNING". And the two are DIFFERENT things!
I have NO PROBLEM with "enhanced intelligence". Or "machine intelligence" (although I don't BELIEVE that machine intelligence exist! At least, NOT yet!) Machines are pretty good at PROCESSING large amounts of information. And programmers are beginning to get a handle on pattern recognition, which will start a revolution in that machines will THEN be able to "learn". But having large amounts of information and being able to analyse patterns therein, is NOT "intelligence"! It's "LEARNING". And the two are DIFFERENT things!
Exactly, the intelligence is not real, therefore by definition it is artificial, thank you for proving my point!
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rizlared: Exactly, the intelligence is not real, therefore by definition it is artificial, thank you for proving my point!
You appear always so sure of yourself Riz. Do you ever read Smithsonian.com ? Empathy is key, the ability to choose and chance
According to ‘ Eric Schwitzgebel, professor of philosophy at University of California at Riverside, the conclusion is even more dramatic. “If we someday create robots with human-like cognitive and emotional capacities, we owe them more moral consideration than we would normally owe to otherwise similar human beings,” he writes in Aeon. “We will have been their creators and designers. We are thus directly responsible both for their existence and for their happy or unhappy state.”
Read more:
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galrads: You appear always so sure of yourself Riz. Do you ever read Smithsonian.com ? Empathy is key, the ability to choose and chance
According to ‘ Eric Schwitzgebel, professor of philosophy at University of California at Riverside, the conclusion is even more dramatic. “If we someday create robots with human-like cognitive and emotional capacities, we owe them more moral consideration than we would normally owe to otherwise similar human beings,” he writes in Aeon. “We will have been their creators and designers. We are thus directly responsible both for their existence and for their happy or unhappy state.”
Read more:
According to ‘ Eric Schwitzgebel, professor of philosophy at University of California at Riverside, the conclusion is even more dramatic. “If we someday create robots with human-like cognitive and emotional capacities, we owe them more moral consideration than we would normally owe to otherwise similar human beings,” he writes in Aeon. “We will have been their creators and designers. We are thus directly responsible both for their existence and for their happy or unhappy state.”
Read more:
I am what I am. Especially on subjects I have studied, and the English language is my specialist subject, but still learn new things every day.
As for AI, it terrifies me, the idea that a supercomputer, could design and build an even more supercomputer ad infinitum until the human species is no longer regarded as the highest form of intelligence. AI will then see mankind as a worthless and useless commodity, and therefore ensure the end of human life.
If you want to read some interesting ideas, read the thesis written by Prof Stephen Hawking. A man I hold with deep regard.
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rizlared: I am what I am. Especially on subjects I have studied, and the English language is my specialist subject, but still learn new things every day.
As for AI, it terrifies me, the idea that a supercomputer, could design and build an even more supercomputer ad infinitum until the human species is no longer regarded as the highest form of intelligence. AI will then see mankind as a worthless and useless commodity, and therefore ensure the end of human life.
If you want to read some interesting ideas, read the thesis written by Prof Stephen Hawking. A man I hold with deep regard.
As for AI, it terrifies me, the idea that a supercomputer, could design and build an even more supercomputer ad infinitum until the human species is no longer regarded as the highest form of intelligence. AI will then see mankind as a worthless and useless commodity, and therefore ensure the end of human life.
If you want to read some interesting ideas, read the thesis written by Prof Stephen Hawking. A man I hold with deep regard.
I respect your regard for Stephen Hawking. He’s brilliant. I don’t agree with his dire warning on AI and prefer to agree with Bill Gates. Just like the Teminator is far more interesting than RoboCop, while Replicants rule.
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galrads: I respect your regard for Stephen Hawking. He’s brilliant. I don’t agree with his dire warning on AI and prefer to agree with Bill Gates. Just like the Teminator is far more interesting than RoboCop, while Replicants rule.
At present what Gates says holds true, but he is not looking far enough forward in my opinion, AI will at some stage create a biological computer, and that will then become the new version of mankind.
Right now man has the final control of any form of AI, we can switch off the power supply, but when biological, that can't happen!
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rizlared: At present what Gates says holds true, but he is not looking far enough forward in my opinion, AI will at some stage create a biological computer, and that will then become the new version of mankind.
Right now man has the final control of any form of AI, we can switch off the power supply, but when biological, that can't happen!
Right now man has the final control of any form of AI, we can switch off the power supply, but when biological, that can't happen!
It seems to me , any kind of consciousness and self awareness would require a sensory system, and an ability to generate emotion and motive. I understand 90 % of our brains processing power is dedicated to deciding how we feel about things.
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It does seem that in 100 years our species will seem like chimps to the top species (or maybe AI) and in 500 ? Earthworms?
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rizlared: At present what Gates says holds true, but he is not looking far enough forward in my opinion, AI will at some stage create a biological computer, and that will then become the new version of mankind.
Right now man has the final control of any form of AI, we can switch off the power supply, but when biological, that can't happen!
Right now man has the final control of any form of AI, we can switch off the power supply, but when biological, that can't happen!
I believe humanity will split around that issue with a "traditionalist" integrating themselves into robots and another "progressive" heading towards genetic engineering and artificial life and eternal life. Sooner or later we will have some sort of ability to cheat death completely or create an artificial afterlife, the soul of mankind would divide on the issue of accepting death.
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Revelation 13:14-18
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. 16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescoreand six.
Although Bible does not explicitly mention artificial intelligence, I think in the end times AI would be a potential tool in the hands of the Beast (the anti-christ). Lot of technological advancements today are headed in that direction to make it possible to tightly control selling & buying. A combination of various technologies make this possible, like in banking sector (where money can be controled), may be detecting the way people talk and identify believers in Christ, etc., with the help if AI!
Even the "image of the beast" not only speaks but also CAUSES the killing of non worshippers of the beast. This could very well be AI.
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. 16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescoreand six.
Although Bible does not explicitly mention artificial intelligence, I think in the end times AI would be a potential tool in the hands of the Beast (the anti-christ). Lot of technological advancements today are headed in that direction to make it possible to tightly control selling & buying. A combination of various technologies make this possible, like in banking sector (where money can be controled), may be detecting the way people talk and identify believers in Christ, etc., with the help if AI!
Even the "image of the beast" not only speaks but also CAUSES the killing of non worshippers of the beast. This could very well be AI.
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ChesneyChrist: I believe humanity will split around that issue with a "traditionalist" integrating themselves into robots and another "progressive" heading towards genetic engineering and artificial life and eternal life. Sooner or later we will have some sort of ability to cheat death completely or create an artificial afterlife, the soul of mankind would divide on the issue of accepting death.
Are you talking about memory implants?
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I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.
A.E.
A.E.
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they have a wifi gadget out now that
you talk to and will talk back to you
record's your conversation and will
turn on or off your
smart TV that spies on you
does computer searches on voice command
record's what you have in your fridge
operates dishwasher, heat and air
links up to kids toys and talks to them
and most of the data is stored.
but many people buy into this smart home
stuff and many new home builders today
incorporate this tech into their end product.