I was tested when I was twenty years old by a psychologist and also in 2014. That what was in the HAWI from 1986 was also in the test from 2014, but there were so much more areas covered. The short time memory and a lot of visual stuff.
My daughter and me are in a group of parents and children who are gifted. But we didn´t find together because of the IQ and we never talk about our IQs. We talk about worries and how to support for example our children to develop a feeling for what they are able to do and what not. That sounds easier than it is, and it is like Christmas when the day comes when a gifted child suddenly understands how to learn (the other children have that ability from the beginning) when it has to after a long time in which it wasn´t necessary to learn because everything fell in place from alone (sorry for my English :-)). We, our children and we parents, have all IQ tests at psychologists behind us, but because at one time in our life something didn´t feel normal and everything became difficult, not because we felt superior to others (that´s so stupid) and wanted it black on white.
To think to have a high IQ is something freakishly special is ridiculous. IQ is such a small part of a personality and it says not much about your personality.
The people I know here in my town who have a high IQ are fine people who never would devalue others. They do not do that because they value themselves in a normal way and have confidence. And, as I said, their mind is not kept busy with the fact that their IQ is high.
My iq was tried earlier, clicked on an so called most popular iq test of 2017 and went through the questions, went to click on the results, and it asked for my payment
IQ is a contingency valuation for something, we dont know exactly what it is though. Sure, the ability to do a puzzle quicker, to seem more organised and logical doing such things... But nobody actually knows for sure- is it faster firing synapses, a better mix of electrochemicals in the brain, a strand of DNA inherited, exposure to a specific environment... or perhaps a complicated mix of all of the above and more?
I saw a kid solve a Rubicks cube in 4.5 seconds on telly, would that make him a genius, and if so what career will he have an advantage with...
I personally feel a high IQ is like a big dk, those that boast about having it generally dont have it, and those that have it generally dont boast about it. And neither is necessarily a ticket to a better life.
Im not clever or high IQ very average. But life experience teach and makes me smart how to survive and exist until today, including learning to speak in other languages My life, is still learning until today
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pat8lanips: IQ is a contingency valuation for something, we dont know exactly what it is though. Sure, the ability to do a puzzle quicker, to seem more organised and logical doing such things... But nobody actually knows for sure- is it faster firing synapses, a better mix of electrochemicals in the brain, a strand of DNA inherited, exposure to a specific environment... or perhaps a complicated mix of all of the above and more?
I saw a kid solve a Rubicks cube in 4.5 seconds on telly, would that make him a genius, and if so what career will he have an advantage with...
I personally feel a high IQ is like a big dk, those that boast about having it generally dont have it, and those that have it generally dont boast about it. And neither is necessarily a ticket to a better life.
mykingdomforanam: I didn't know it was possible to earn degrees in manure shoveling, and obfuscation.
Where did you get degrees like that?
Even if I earned degrees in manure shoveling and obfuscation, that would still be enough to prove the op, Miss Mensa, doesn't understand how to use words like "ALWAYS" and "NEVER."
I think it was Alfred Binet who originally used IQ tests to identify children's educational needs. I think it was him who created games like Musical Statues to help children develop certain cognitive skills.
It has since historically been misused (rather infamously in the US) to further eugenics agendas: people have been refused immigration entry, even though the tests are language and culturally biased; people have been sterilised without their consent, or even their knowledge.
IQ only tests a limited range of cognitive skills, and therefore begs the question, "What is intelligence?"
As IQ tests are in a written format and timed, they don't take into account learning differences, such as dyslexia. School staff were flummoxed by my daughter acing SATS tests (printed on blue, or yellow paper), but her failure to achieve the same results in the classroom (white boards and paper). Her teachers put it down to naughtiness and laziness, whilst failing to recognise she could access information in one format, but not the other. What is intelligence?
Because IQ tests are timed, scores can be improved with practice and knowledge. For example, in the case of number sequencing tests, if the Fibonacci sequence came up, the speed at which you answer will be greater if you have prior knowledge of the sequence, than if you have to work it out. Again, what is intelligence?
I once saw a documentary where the range of tests were extending to include a much wider range of cognitive skills. A dippy, blonde artist aced one test the boffins could not fathom. My, oh my, did the social dynamic of that group change over the course of the tests - some were humbled, the artist boosted in self- and other-esteem. It was a measure of how we can treat each other and ourselves according to our understanding within (or without) certain parameters.
Another documentary centred around a high needs school. Most of the kids had severe learning difficulties. One however, was a very clever chap. The teacher argued he had high needs too, just at the other end of the spectrum.
When interviewed, this 11 year old boy was interupted from regaling the merits of his chemistry set and asked if he thought he was intelligent, to which he replied, "That depends on what 'intelligence' is."
I think it was Alfred Binet, though not entirely accredited with their creation, who originally used IQ tests to identify children's educational needs. I think it was him who created games like Musical Statues to help children develop certain cognitive skills.
It has since historically been misused (rather infamously in the US) to further eugenics agendas: people have been refused immigration entry, even though the tests are language and culturally biased; people have been sterilised without their consent, or even their knowledge.
IQ only tests a limited range of cognitive skills, and therefore begs the question, "What is intelligence?"
As IQ tests are in a written format and timed, they don't take into account learning differences, such as dyslexia. School staff were flummoxed by my daughter acing SATS tests (printed on blue, or yellow paper), but her failure to achieve the same results in the classroom (white boards and paper). Her teachers put it down to naughtiness and laziness, whilst failing to recognise she could access information in one format, but not the other. What is intelligence?
Because IQ tests are timed, scores can be improved with practice and knowledge. For example, in the case of number sequencing tests, if the Fibonacci sequence came up, the speed at which you answer will be greater if you have prior knowledge of the sequence, than if you have to work it out. Again, what is intelligence?
I once saw a documentary where the range of tests were extending to include a much wider range of cognitive skills. A dippy, blonde artist aced one test the boffins could not fathom. My, oh my, did the social dynamic of that group change over the course of the tests - some were humbled, the artist boosted in self- and other-esteem. It was a measure of how we can treat each other and ourselves according to our understanding within (or without) certain parameters.
Another documentary centred around a high needs school. Most of the kids had severe learning difficulties. One however, was a very clever chap. The teacher argued he had high needs too, just at the other end of the spectrum.
When interviewed, this 11 year old little boy was interupted from regaling the merits of his chemistry set and asked if he thought he was intelligent, to which he replied, "That depends on what 'intelligence' is."
jac_the_gripper: As IQ tests are in a written format and timed, they don't take into account learning differences, such as dyslexia. School staff were flummoxed by my daughter acing SATS tests (printed on blue, or yellow paper), but her failure to achieve the same results in the classroom (white boards and paper). Her teachers put it down to naughtiness and laziness, whilst failing to recognise she could access information in one format, but not the other. What is intelligence?
Hello, Jac in that group which my daughter and me meet is a family whose child is gifted and also high sensitive. I just had to think of them because of what you wrote about your daughter. Their son has the Irlen Syndrome because of the high sensitivity. He has stress while reading because of the optical sensitivity. Since they found out about it he uses glasses with colour filters and accomplishes school and reading at all happily and intellectually like a whirlwind :-)
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No wonder people are keeping away from these threads she cannot stop slagging people off.