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Jan 29, 2018 6:15 AM CST Psychiatists.
Like lawyers, sadly, many of us have strong feelings about the callings. Rarely, I've sort of been helped by them, but always felt fleeced in the process, the help was perhaps of questionable value, and when I told others about them, got an earful about what crumbs they were. Maybe your experience was better---I hope so. Aa-V-A.
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Jan 29, 2018 6:16 AM CST Psychiatists.
PSYCHIATRISTS (sic).
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Jan 29, 2018 6:17 AM CST Psychiatists.
Vierkaesehoch: Like lawyers, sadly, many of us have strong feelings about the callings. Rarely, I've sort of been helped by them, but always felt fleeced in the process, the help was perhaps of questionable value, and when I told others about them, got an earful about what crumbs they were. Maybe your experience was better---I hope so. Aa-V-A.
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Jan 29, 2018 6:19 AM CST Psychiatists.
"Even if I were alive, I could not help you", Sigmund Freud.
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Jan 29, 2018 7:10 AM CST Psychiatists.
jac_the_gripper
jac_the_gripperjac_the_gripperTonyrefail, South Glamorgan, Wales UK24 Threads 5,363 Posts
I attended a seminar a couple years back given by a psychiatrist. She was progressive non-judgemental, socially skilled, down to earth, pragmatic and had her priorities right.

I've come across a handful who I didn't spend enough time with to have much of an opinion.

I've come across two, who were so obtuse they were dangerous.

I think it's a bit like politicians - in order to become one they are in danger of becoming removed from their object. Being an academic is not conducive to being down with the people; social change can go way ahead of opinions formed in an outdated culture of training.

Unfortunately, it's not an arena where one can afford to be incompetent.

I did have my faith restored by the psychiatrist I mentioned first, however. There are some highly skilled psychiatrists out there.
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Jan 29, 2018 7:23 AM CST Psychiatists.
mollybaby
mollybabymollybabyCork City, Cork Ireland56 Threads 8 Polls 23,608 Posts
jac_the_gripper: I attended a seminar a couple years back given by a psychiatrist. She was progressive non-judgemental, socially skilled, down to earth, pragmatic and had her priorities right.

I've come across a handful who I didn't spend enough time with to have much of an opinion.

I've come across two, who were so obtuse they were dangerous.

I think it's a bit like politicians - in order to become one they are in danger of becoming removed from their object. Being an academic is not conducive to being down with the people; social change can go way ahead of opinions formed in an outdated culture of training.

Unfortunately, it's not an arena where one can afford to be incompetent.

I did have my faith restored by the psychiatrist I mentioned first, however. There are some highly skilled psychiatrists out there.


Jac, you would be interested in a local psychiatrist, Pat Bracken. He is trying to fight for changes in the profession from the inside out. This is one article about him. I have been to see in speaking at a seminar and he is very impressive.
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Jan 29, 2018 7:54 AM CST Psychiatists.
jac_the_gripper
jac_the_gripperjac_the_gripperTonyrefail, South Glamorgan, Wales UK24 Threads 5,363 Posts
Having worked out how to post images from my phone for the great plasticine flirt, I suppose I should be able to work out accessing links, Molly.

You can see where my motivations lie. laugh

I could be some time, but thankyou.
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Jan 29, 2018 7:58 AM CST Psychiatists.
mollybaby
mollybabymollybabyCork City, Cork Ireland56 Threads 8 Polls 23,608 Posts
jac_the_gripper: Having worked out how to post images from my phone for the great plasticine flirt, I suppose I should be able to work out accessing links, Molly.

You can see where my motivations lie.

I could be some time, but thankyou.


Flirting beats shrinking any day grin
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Jan 29, 2018 8:01 AM CST Psychiatists.
lifeisadream
lifeisadreamlifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico156 Threads 20 Polls 16,713 Posts
Vierkaesehoch: Like lawyers, sadly, many of us have strong feelings about the callings. Rarely, I've sort of been helped by them, but always felt fleeced in the process, the help was perhaps of questionable value, and when I told others about them, got an earful about what crumbs they were. Maybe your experience was better---I hope so. Aa-V-A.

If already they were of not help to you and others have reassured the same, why would you need strangers to tell you what you already believe?

Just saying.


coffee
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Jan 29, 2018 8:11 AM CST Psychiatists.
Miwagi
MiwagiMiwagiFlyover, Kentucky USA47 Threads 2 Polls 1,753 Posts
Vierkaesehoch: Like lawyers, sadly, many of us have strong feelings about the callings. Rarely, I've sort of been helped by them, but always felt fleeced in the process, the help was perhaps of questionable value, and when I told others about them, got an earful about what crumbs they were. Maybe your experience was better---I hope so. Aa-V-A.


I think here in the US most of the shrinks have issues of their own they are trying to work out. Temporary chemical lobotomy with heavy anti-depressants are their weapon of choice. Of course many are probably getting incentives from big pharma. That's not to say these drugs are not helpful at times, but they appear to be grossly over-prescribed.

PS
Not trying to paint all the doctors with the same brush. It's meant in more of "if the shoe fits" manner.
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Jan 29, 2018 8:15 AM CST Psychiatists.
MikeD12
MikeD12MikeD12Broadstairs, Kent, England UK16 Threads 2 Polls 2,809 Posts
I learned to call Psychiatrists Trickcyclists in the 50's. They are even worse now and like lawyers the overpayed rip off drug pushers acting on advice of the equally parasitic Psychologist Theorists and like all Politicians -
Sociologically Corrupt Untrustworthy Manipulators boxing boxing boxing boxing boxing boxing boxing boxing thumbs down
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Jan 30, 2018 3:15 AM CST Psychiatists.
Vierkaesehoch: Like lawyers, sadly, many of us have strong feelings about the callings. Rarely, I've sort of been helped by them, but always felt fleeced in the process, the help was perhaps of questionable value, and when I told others about them, got an earful about what crumbs they were. Maybe your experience was better---I hope so. Aa-V-A.



18 years i'm attending there clinic, thumbs up
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Jan 30, 2018 7:20 AM CST Psychiatists.
Thanks, all. I'll respond without focus on any one comment. There is a small percentage of these docs who can provide help to folks who do, or think, they need such "help". Which brings up issue #1. The good ones will spot those who really might benefit from the craft in a few sessions, and will then contract to treat. If not, will refer, or counsel not to seek treatment, accordingly. Problems may be more spiritual, existential, circumstantial, familial, developmental, neurologic, and so on. The counterpoint to this is the issue of matching client and treator. A few sessions should be spent exploring this, and in the apparent absence of such, a real professional will do the above, perhaps to someone better matched. #2. Plenty of evidence shows, with possible few exceptions, that the actual tradition of therapy is far less important than the trust and relationship between folks in the clinical dyad. #3. Similarly, some approaches have finally, thankfully, mostly fallen by the wayside---see my quote of Freud above. We no longer bleed the sick, with rare exceptions. #4. For the longest time, programs to train these docs have had little in the way of systematic competency based education in the likely most effective treatments. Now there are six such exposures. The days of "whatever goes" seem over. #5. Yes, the implication that such a choice of medical specialization is not without selective pressures based on one's own issues rings true. Years ago, when the majority of trainees gravitated to Freudian traditions, a so called training analysis was de rigeur. Good thinking, but little evidence of efficacy, as anyone can see by viewing the field and its practioners. #6. The medicines used have their places, but are quite dirty in terms of adverse effects, and few really are anything new. Also, there is much over prescribing and mis prescribing, reflecting in part the increase in novel non physician prescribers, and the push toward 20 minute evaluations. Marketing by big pharma plays its part here as well, as does the enormous "placebo" effect in medication research. #7. Relatedly, who doubts that the primary seat of behavior and emotions, the brain, is infinitely more complex than even, say, such highly complex organ systems as the immune system, etc. Research in the field only recently has shown more humility in recognizing this, and was thinking far too narrowly/rigidly, and ignoring important other human factors as listed in #1 above. #8. Similarly, the field had arrogantly ignored other healing traditions, many of which have much to say. For example, if a dozen patients with "rigorously diagnosed" major depression were to present to a practitioner of, say, traditional Chinese medicine, with experience in acupuncture/acupressure/herbalism---various diagnoses, and different treatments might be considered/offeredd. #9. Research in the long term sequelae of ACE's (adverse childhood experiences), esp. at ages before formed memories, need more emphasis, and not only for emotional, but for "physical" issues as well. #10. The best such docs are likely those with added training in childhood, family and developmental traditions. Duh! Lots more here, but this ought to get the juices flowing. Aa-V-A.
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