Does your pasion dictate that you must be right or can you agree to disagree? (26)
Both depending on the subject.
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I would always look back a step - What is the belief driving the passion?
And then ask, what energy are you (or the other person) acting in : masculine or feminine?
A masculine energy is driven to reach a conclusion, a goal here say.
A feminine energy is cyclic and is never ending. The process is more important than reaching a conclusion.
To cause a female to act masculine results in fear and stress clouding judgement. (Why can't a woman decide what shoes to wear???)
So, in a passionate discussion, a person, if acting in the opposing biological position, may be making errors or exhibiting poor judgement... And even sabotaging themselves unknowingly....
If they are pulled into their correct energy, the stress resolves and clear thinking returns.
This works for both genders.
Regarding subjects: we have to go back a step and look at classification.
Are we using positive division or a Dichotomy?
Which method is the opposing person using and why?
It is almost impossible to debate with someone if they are using dichotomy. They believe there is only one side or the other.
And if we are talking about "beliefs"... There is no point to further the discussion.
By the way, I'm not saying that picking out shoes is a masculine task.
And then ask, what energy are you (or the other person) acting in : masculine or feminine?
A masculine energy is driven to reach a conclusion, a goal here say.
A feminine energy is cyclic and is never ending. The process is more important than reaching a conclusion.
To cause a female to act masculine results in fear and stress clouding judgement. (Why can't a woman decide what shoes to wear???)
So, in a passionate discussion, a person, if acting in the opposing biological position, may be making errors or exhibiting poor judgement... And even sabotaging themselves unknowingly....
If they are pulled into their correct energy, the stress resolves and clear thinking returns.
This works for both genders.
Regarding subjects: we have to go back a step and look at classification.
Are we using positive division or a Dichotomy?
Which method is the opposing person using and why?
It is almost impossible to debate with someone if they are using dichotomy. They believe there is only one side or the other.
And if we are talking about "beliefs"... There is no point to further the discussion.
By the way, I'm not saying that picking out shoes is a masculine task.
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GregKeegan: So often in relationships I have found that what should be simple discussions or debates between my partner and myself, turn into full blown arguments because neither one of us would agree to disagree and just respect the others opinion even if we didn't agree to it. These days I like to think I have changed and am open to anyones opinion and are happy for them to have it through agreeing to disagreeing.
What are the things that you can't do this with? Is there any subjects or things that you are so passionate about that if someone else is not in agreeance with you that you just can't abide them or have them as a friend or contact?
I know that this could get heated as we all have different opinions on so many things but hopefully we can have good debate through it.
What are the things that you can't do this with? Is there any subjects or things that you are so passionate about that if someone else is not in agreeance with you that you just can't abide them or have them as a friend or contact?
I know that this could get heated as we all have different opinions on so many things but hopefully we can have good debate through it.
I can agree to disagree. I respect other's opinions/beliefs and still remain in the relationship whether it be my partner, family member or frienship.
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GregKeegan: So often in relationships I have found that what should be simple discussions or debates between my partner and myself, turn into full blown arguments because neither one of us would agree to disagree and just respect the others opinion even if we didn't agree to it. These days I like to think I have changed and am open to anyones opinion and are happy for them to have it through agreeing to disagreeing.
What are the things that you can't do this with? Is there any subjects or things that you are so passionate about that if someone else is not in agreeance with you that you just can't abide them or have them as a friend or contact?
I know that this could get heated as we all have different opinions on so many things but hopefully we can have good debate through it.
What are the things that you can't do this with? Is there any subjects or things that you are so passionate about that if someone else is not in agreeance with you that you just can't abide them or have them as a friend or contact?
I know that this could get heated as we all have different opinions on so many things but hopefully we can have good debate through it.
Actually quite a thought provoking thread in a while.. well done sir..
I've found that with age (and a little spiritual development) I've grown a lot more accommodating and calm in my approach towards conflicts/confrontations. This understanding nature is of even more importance towards the ones you hold dear, whom more often than not are actually neglected whilst we put on our nice faces for strangers.
Obviously there is a need for reciprocation to some level from others as well. Otherwise it can very well cause implosion.
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I am not into arguing and temper-losing at the best of times so enerally, I can agree to disagree.
Nobody is going to agree with you on absolutely every issue.
However, I think if you have polar-opposite views on issues which may be fundamental to your beliefs, then it could cause friction, and potentially be a non-starter relationship-wise.
Nobody is going to agree with you on absolutely every issue.
However, I think if you have polar-opposite views on issues which may be fundamental to your beliefs, then it could cause friction, and potentially be a non-starter relationship-wise.
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GregKeegan: So often in relationships I have found that what should be simple discussions or debates between my partner and myself, turn into full blown arguments because neither one of us would agree to disagree and just respect the others opinion even if we didn't agree to it. These days I like to think I have changed and am open to anyones opinion and are happy for them to have it through agreeing to disagreeing.
What are the things that you can't do this with? Is there any subjects or things that you are so passionate about that if someone else is not in agreeance with you that you just can't abide them or have them as a friend or contact?
I know that this could get heated as we all have different opinions on so many things but hopefully we can have good debate through it.
In personal relationship I am not staborn to be always right....contrary, I am enjoying intelectual challenges to change my mind if advice is sensible...and as long if is not harming my well being.What are the things that you can't do this with? Is there any subjects or things that you are so passionate about that if someone else is not in agreeance with you that you just can't abide them or have them as a friend or contact?
I know that this could get heated as we all have different opinions on so many things but hopefully we can have good debate through it.
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I´m usually right but even when I´m wrong I just lie about stuff
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GregKeegan: So often in relationships I have found that what should be simple discussions or debates between my partner and myself, turn into full blown arguments because neither one of us would agree to disagree and just respect the others opinion even if we didn't agree to it. These days I like to think I have changed and am open to anyones opinion and are happy for them to have it through agreeing to disagreeing.
What are the things that you can't do this with? Is there any subjects or things that you are so passionate about that if someone else is not in agreeance with you that you just can't abide them or have them as a friend or contact?
I know that this could get heated as we all have different opinions on so many things but hopefully we can have good debate through it.
What are the things that you can't do this with? Is there any subjects or things that you are so passionate about that if someone else is not in agreeance with you that you just can't abide them or have them as a friend or contact?
I know that this could get heated as we all have different opinions on so many things but hopefully we can have good debate through it.
Im passionate about a few things.
Children being the top of my list.
Empathy for child abusers rattles my cage and dont have time for it.
Misognyists annoy me...one in particular.
Im learning to accept peoples opinions on these topics.
The elderly and animals are also passionate subjects for me.
Everyone else in between can look after themselves..
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Deedee123x: Im passionate about a few things.
Children being the top of my list.
Empathy for child abusers rattles my cage and dont have time for it.
Misognyists annoy me...one in particular.
Im learning to accept peoples opinions on these topics.
The elderly and animals are also passionate subjects for me.
Everyone else in between can look after themselves..
Children being the top of my list.
Empathy for child abusers rattles my cage and dont have time for it.
Misognyists annoy me...one in particular.
Im learning to accept peoples opinions on these topics.
The elderly and animals are also passionate subjects for me.
Everyone else in between can look after themselves..
I would have writen this years ago Dee....exactly!
I´m a very passionate individual in terms of personality, it´s my nature but I´m also extremelly rational (for further info I´m talking about Dabrowski´s Overexcitabilities, 5 of 5, being Intellectual the strongest).
I never let my emotions take control of my life, it´s a self impossed norm, but with age I have learnt to process information and deal with certain stuff, I do not have any problem with agree & disagree, it´s easy since we understand all of us have same rights and deserve same respect ....what it´s absoultely difficult for me are injustices, when I see damage to others, I can´t control myself, I need to do something ....and as I usually can lol! I´ve been quite busy so many times....but it´s not fair for me, I have my own life, hence I try to avoid certain places, news, etc where I know I can be provoque by evil acts...and that´s all, maybe next life I become as Super Hero but I´m not now LOL!
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I have people in my family who refuse to agree to disagree and always have to be right at any cost to them.
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I'm objectively correct in all things so much so that I've decided to call my lifeview objectivism. That's how severe my aspergers is, a syndrome amplified online where you don't even need to look anybody in the eye.
But to be more honest I am aware that what I say doesn't always mesh with everything else I say. Not worrying what other people think is not necessarily the same thing as lacking self-awareness. Brainstorming is my concept online.
But to be more honest I am aware that what I say doesn't always mesh with everything else I say. Not worrying what other people think is not necessarily the same thing as lacking self-awareness. Brainstorming is my concept online.
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Bearwoman: I have people in my family who refuse to agree to disagree and always have to be right at any cost to them.
I had a couple of them in my last political family....it was a challenge for me to show them how wrong they were with certain stuff ....I didn´t do it to prove myself I could, I did it for next generations, they are ok now but stopped talking to me, yeap ...they can´t look at my face now after all they did & said ...it´s ok, I don´t want people who always agree with me but those who doesn´t "think"/improve/ change/ get better/ take into consideration others opinions are totally useless for being on my side.
to you and yours Bearwoman 
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ChesneyChrist: I'm objectively correct in all things so much so that I've decided to call my lifeview objectivism. That's how severe my aspergers is, a syndrome amplified online where you don't even need to look anybody in the eye.
But to be more honest I am aware that what I say doesn't always mesh with everything else I say. Not worrying what other people think is not necessarily the same thing as lacking self-awareness. Brainstorming is my concept online.
But to be more honest I am aware that what I say doesn't always mesh with everything else I say. Not worrying what other people think is not necessarily the same thing as lacking self-awareness. Brainstorming is my concept online.
Hi Chesney, I didn´t know you are Aspie (just a note, no syndrome, there is no genetic marks, a disorder) yeap ...I can see how online works for you but how about getting double meaning messages in a place like this? you need a lot of cognitive empathy to catch the whole thing ....or you don´t care? LOL!
I´m a big fan of Hegel myself
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Crunia: I would have writen this years ago Dee....exactly!
I´m a very passionate individual in terms of personality, it´s my nature but I´m also extremelly rational (for further info I´m talking about Dabrowski´s Overexcitabilities, 5 of 5, being Intellectual the strongest).
I never let my emotions take control of my life, it´s a self impossed norm, but with age I have learnt to process information and deal with certain stuff, I do not have any problem with agree & disagree, it´s easy since we understand all of us have same rights and deserve same respect ....what it´s absoultely difficult for me are injustices, when I see damage to others, I can´t control myself, I need to do something ....and as I usually can lol! I´ve been quite busy so many times....but it´s not fair for me, I have my own life, hence I try to avoid certain places, news, etc where I know I can be provoque by evil acts...and that´s all, maybe next life I become as Super Hero but I´m not now LOL!
I´m a very passionate individual in terms of personality, it´s my nature but I´m also extremelly rational (for further info I´m talking about Dabrowski´s Overexcitabilities, 5 of 5, being Intellectual the strongest).
I never let my emotions take control of my life, it´s a self impossed norm, but with age I have learnt to process information and deal with certain stuff, I do not have any problem with agree & disagree, it´s easy since we understand all of us have same rights and deserve same respect ....what it´s absoultely difficult for me are injustices, when I see damage to others, I can´t control myself, I need to do something ....and as I usually can lol! I´ve been quite busy so many times....but it´s not fair for me, I have my own life, hence I try to avoid certain places, news, etc where I know I can be provoque by evil acts...and that´s all, maybe next life I become as Super Hero but I´m not now LOL!
I agree
I tend to not watch the news...for the simple reason is why sit and watch negativity over and over again....
Im learning to control myself Cruinia too...alot of things really do just come with time and patience.
I too hate injustice....one simple example ..one poster posted a comment which was consise and to the point..it was their own thought they own feelings and experience....post after post from that was nothig but horrible comments at this person..that kind of thing annoys me.
We live
We learn
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mollybaby: I am not into arguing and temper-losing at the best of times so enerally, I can agree to disagree.
Nobody is going to agree with you on absolutely every issue.
However, I think if you have polar-opposite views on issues which may be fundamental to your beliefs, then it could cause friction, and potentially be a non-starter relationship-wise.
Nobody is going to agree with you on absolutely every issue.
However, I think if you have polar-opposite views on issues which may be fundamental to your beliefs, then it could cause friction, and potentially be a non-starter relationship-wise.
Indeed Molly,
I don't know why people like to complicate and throw a handful of psychological nonsense over reasonably easy to understand and make a conclusion about matters...
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GregKeegan: So often in relationships I have found that what should be simple discussions or debates between my partner and myself, turn into full blown arguments because neither one of us would agree to disagree and just respect the others opinion even if we didn't agree to it. These days I like to think I have changed and am open to anyones opinion and are happy for them to have it through agreeing to disagreeing.
What are the things that you can't do this with? Is there any subjects or things that you are so passionate about that if someone else is not in agreeance with you that you just can't abide them or have them as a friend or contact?
I know that this could get heated as we all have different opinions on so many things but hopefully we can have good debate through it.
One or two things...I just wondered if you argue about politics, opposing sports teams or what you want to watch on the tvWhat are the things that you can't do this with? Is there any subjects or things that you are so passionate about that if someone else is not in agreeance with you that you just can't abide them or have them as a friend or contact?
I know that this could get heated as we all have different opinions on so many things but hopefully we can have good debate through it.
couples can argue about, such silly things at times and sometimes it's better to put the ear plugs in and forget about it
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ChesneyChrist: I'm objectively correct in all things so much so that I've decided to call my lifeview objectivism. That's how severe my aspergers is, a syndrome amplified online where you don't even need to look anybody in the eye.
But to be more honest I am aware that what I say doesn't always mesh with everything else I say. Not worrying what other people think is not necessarily the same thing as lacking self-awareness. Brainstorming is my concept online.
But to be more honest I am aware that what I say doesn't always mesh with everything else I say. Not worrying what other people think is not necessarily the same thing as lacking self-awareness. Brainstorming is my concept online.
I understand Aspergers as I have it as well though I didn't know that I did till my late 40's. I find it easier to communicate online because I don't have to read body language which is something I have never been good at but that goes with the autism spectrum. I was lucky in the fact that I left home early and had to learn coping mechanisms to survive and now think I am reasonably stable in most things. I do however try to practice agreeing to disagree when confronted with another person's opinion that is opposed to mine. I know I am not always right for everyone in any fgiven situation nad at times my opinions have proven wrong for me so if there is logic in the other side of a debate then I can now change my views and agree with that though it is often a few days after the event that it dawns on me that what was said made more sense than my input at the time. :)
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LeeCharming: One or two things...I just wondered if you argue about politics, opposing sports teams or what you want to watch on the tv couples can argue about, such silly things at times and sometimes it's better to put the ear plugs in and forget about it
Firstly, I don't have a partner to have to deal with those things and living with just my dog, they are never a issue but in the event that I am in a relationship ir share situation, I accept that depending on a persons given situation, be they a worker orin business, their political views generally are dictated by how those parties policies, directly affect them. I am a little od in that sense. I try to decide on what is best for the country as a whole when deciding what persuasion to follow and support. Now as I really don't enjoy conflict, if someone else's political views are opposite to mine and they are passionate about projecting them then I will generally ask that the subject be changed or just leave rather than get into a political argument based on that person's refusal to debate any other considerations of other parties views.
Sports I don't follow and have never had any sporting hero's or anything like that so everyone else's view is right in my books concerning whatever passion they have around sports and as for tv, that is easy, if we continuously can't agree on what we like to watch then, with the cost of tv's being so affordable these days, just get a second one so we can both watch what we want when we want.
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Crunia: I had a couple of them in my last political family....it was a challenge for me to show them how wrong they were with certain stuff ....I didn´t do it to prove myself I could, I did it for next generations, they are ok now but stopped talking to me, yeap ...they can´t look at my face now after all they did & said ...it´s ok, I don´t want people who always agree with me but those who doesn´t "think"/improve/ change/ get better/ take into consideration others opinions are totally useless for being on my side.
to you and yours Bearwoman
to you and yours Bearwoman
I'm with you on that. Anyone who is so bent on their own truth that they can't or won't even consider the possibility of another truth as being equally pertinent to the discussion at hand, is not worth continuing the conversation with. I enjoy intelegent debate, there has been plenty of times where someone else's logic on a subject has changed my mind considerably concerning my personal opinion on that particular thing. :)
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What are the things that you can't do this with? Is there any subjects or things that you are so passionate about that if someone else is not in agreeance with you that you just can't abide them or have them as a friend or contact?
I know that this could get heated as we all have different opinions on so many things but hopefully we can have good debate through it.