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Feb 20, 2018 2:56 PM CST Covert Narcissism —
GingerGee
GingerGeeGingerGeedonegal, Donegal Ireland218 Posts
truheart1941: why give it a fancy name.......when all it is .....is Manipulation......?????????


Narcissism is not just manipulation. It is a particular kind of manipulation that sick people use to feel superior and because they get off on it. Playing on people's emotions gives them a high and a sense of value in themselves that nothing else can give them. It is a well recognised form of mental illness. I was raised by one, married and divorced two and raised one myself. They groom people so they can hurt them and they enjoy it. They cause unbelievable pain to anyone who buys into their initial sweet personality act that they use to draw people in. Seeing them for who they are often comes as a terrible shock to the system of the people they prey on. Narcissists can scar for life because they hit at the very core of who you are.
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Feb 20, 2018 6:12 PM CST Covert Narcissism —
Crunia
CruniaCruniaVolcano Island, Canary Islands Spain5 Threads 252 Posts
To use as need it wave
“Dear target, you might want to take the blinders off. All his exes are not crazy or still in love w/ the narcissist” (this is another characteristic ....they speak evil about aaaaaaaall their exes, yeiz! no even a single one was decent ....ah! of course! all of them were manipulative, only wanted their money or similar, yeap! poor thing. This is, let me be clear here: statistically IMPOSSIBLE. Think & doubt)
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..if you decide to date him idea
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Feb 21, 2018 3:42 AM CST Covert Narcissism —
daniela777
daniela777daniela777Mi Paraiso, Murcia Spain44 Threads 2,714 Posts
Crunia: To use as need it
“Dear target, you might want to take the blinders off. All his exes are not crazy or still in love w/ the narcissist” (this is another characteristic ....they speak evil about aaaaaaaall their exes, yeiz! no even a single one was decent ....ah! of course! all of them were manipulative, only wanted their money or similar, yeap! poor thing. This is, let me be clear here: statistically IMPOSSIBLE. Think & doubt)

..if you decide to date him


Interesting quote...you've nailed it Chuchi.thumbs up

However...without reading all the comments here...I would go a step further to describe those people as "psychopaths" ummm..

No conscience. .no remorse..no regrets..no empathy etc...
I've known 2 in my life (one being in the family and a friend of mine being married to one) and I can recognise them.

I've now met some on this site too!
They're looking for vulnerable people who will listen to all their BS and play around with their feelings.
Then...when people get tired of them...They move on to the next one!
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Feb 21, 2018 5:33 AM CST Covert Narcissism —
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
daniela777: Interesting quote...you've nailed it Chuchi.

However...without reading all the comments here...I would go a step further to describe those people as "psychopaths" ummm..

No conscience. .no remorse..no regrets..no empathy etc...
I've known 2 in my life (one being in the family and a friend of mine being married to one) and I can recognise them.

I've now met some on this site too!
They're looking for vulnerable people who will listen to all their BS and play around with their feelings.
Then...when people get tired of them...They move on to the next one!


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i believe I’ve also recognized these behavior characteristics of the CS forums.but what do I know.

If neither a sociopath nor narcissists have empathy, then how do they have enough sensitivity to figure out how to play a person?

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Feb 21, 2018 5:52 AM CST Covert Narcissism —
seaworthy
seaworthyseaworthyOranjestad, Aruba43 Posts
galrads: i believe I’ve also recognized these behavior characteristics of the CS forums.but what do I know.

If neither a sociopath nor narcissists have empathy, then how do they have enough sensitivity to figure out how to play a person?


The same way you can get a parrot to speak......... it's all about projection
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Feb 21, 2018 5:53 AM CST Covert Narcissism —
Crunia
CruniaCruniaVolcano Island, Canary Islands Spain5 Threads 252 Posts
galrads: i believe I’ve also recognized these behavior characteristics of the CS forums.but what do I know.

If neither a sociopath nor narcissists have empathy, then how do they have enough sensitivity to figure out how to play a person?


Thanks Rubia hug
Nop Gal, what they have is not sensitivity, it´s "Mind theory", Google it please; it´s the ability to "read others minds"....which is not literally that lol!, it´s a cognitive skill we all have in different level (except Autistic people, they don´t have it).

They "study" their victims and they are pretty good doing that, they know what to say in order to please us and create an inmediate connection with us....it´s the same thing Empathetic people does, but one´s approach is emotional and the other´s cognitive. handshake

(Sorry Daniela, I know the question was for you, please excuse me and add what you consider necessary ....blushing )
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Feb 21, 2018 5:55 AM CST Covert Narcissism —
Crunia
CruniaCruniaVolcano Island, Canary Islands Spain5 Threads 252 Posts
seaworthy: The same way you can get a parrot to speak......... it's all about projection


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Feb 21, 2018 6:23 AM CST Covert Narcissism —
daniela777
daniela777daniela777Mi Paraiso, Murcia Spain44 Threads 2,714 Posts
seaworthy: The same way you can get a parrot to speak......... it's all about projection



Exactly my thoughts! I was going to reply along similar lines.thumbs up
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Feb 21, 2018 6:28 AM CST Covert Narcissism —
daniela777
daniela777daniela777Mi Paraiso, Murcia Spain44 Threads 2,714 Posts
Crunia: Thanks Rubia
Nop Gal, what they have is not sensitivity, it´s "Mind theory", Google it please; it´s the ability to "read others minds"....which is not literally that lol!, it´s a cognitive skill we all have in different level (except Autistic people, they don´t have it).

They "study" their victims and they are pretty good doing that, they know what to say in order to please us and create an inmediate connection with us....it´s the same thing Empathetic people does, but one´s approach is emotional and the other´s cognitive.

(Sorry Daniela, I know the question was for you, please excuse me and add what you consider necessary .... )


That's ok guapa..because you more or less took the words out of my mouth and I was only summarizing it and agreeing with Mr Sea.

Yes ..you've got it right...it's all about mind games sometimes referred to as "cold reading".thumbs up
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Feb 21, 2018 7:45 AM CST Covert Narcissism —
GingerGee
GingerGeeGingerGeedonegal, Donegal Ireland218 Posts
galrads: i believe I’ve also recognized these behavior characteristics of the CS forums.but what do I know.

If neither a sociopath nor narcissists have empathy, then how do they have enough sensitivity to figure out how to play a person?


Monkey see, monkey do. They watch and learn.... but feel nothing.
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Feb 21, 2018 8:18 AM CST Covert Narcissism —
Deedee123x
Deedee123xDeedee123xLimerick, Ireland69 Threads 4,795 Posts
galrads: Anyone ever known anyone else with serious acute Narcissism behavior? I do. Took awhile to figure out their behavior. Actions and words don’t match up. They are all alike. They can really mess with people, usually quietly over time. Relationships with them can truely be “psychological warfare.”

If yiu’re interested, here’s a good video with explanation and summary about Covert Narcissists. Worth a watch. Sorry if you can’t. They are out there.....


I think we all or maybe 99% have narcissistic traits....its not letting them get out of control is the issue.
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Feb 21, 2018 2:22 PM CST Covert Narcissism —
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
Anyone know how the narcissist's manipulations are different from other kinds?

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Feb 21, 2018 3:24 PM CST Covert Narcissism —
seaworthy
seaworthyseaworthyOranjestad, Aruba43 Posts
galrads: Anyone know how the narcissist's manipulations are different from other kinds?


I would say manipulation is manipulation...def. the action of manipulating something in a skillful manner.

Its the latent effects that distinguish between the manipulators behavior. In the case of the narcissist they will repeat the process over and over again and will never be able to feel the victims remorse. The non-narcissist would eventually understand what he/she did to their recipient and have that all important moment of repentance...
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Feb 21, 2018 3:36 PM CST Covert Narcissism —
Lupinum
LupinumLupinumCavan, Ireland6 Posts
galrads: Anyone ever known anyone else with serious acute Narcissism behavior? I do. Took awhile to figure out their behavior. Actions and words don’t match up. They are all alike. They can really mess with people, usually quietly over time. Relationships with them can truely be “psychological warfare.”

If yiu’re interested, here’s a good video with explanation and summary about Covert Narcissists. Worth a watch. Sorry if you can’t. They are out there.....


I was in a relationship with one for 6 years... when I Finally copped on ... I was lucky to escape with my life... Literally. help
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Feb 21, 2018 3:38 PM CST Covert Narcissism —
jono7
jono7jono7Out West, British Columbia Canada3 Threads 8,017 Posts
galrads: Anyone know how the narcissist's manipulations are different from other kinds?


narcissists manipulate others for their own advantage, are always right (due their sense of entitlement) and without conscience. if they apologize, it's because it's to their advantage and just more manipulation; it's not coming from a place of remorse. at best they may say they made a mistake, but usually blame others for it.
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Feb 21, 2018 3:40 PM CST Covert Narcissism —
One2note
One2noteOne2noteLondon, Essex, England UK286 Threads 3 Polls 7,606 Posts
Never.. always seen the bigger picture when pursuing a relationship.
Luckily , my blood flow circulation, extended to my brain!!
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Feb 21, 2018 3:47 PM CST Covert Narcissism —
jono7
jono7jono7Out West, British Columbia Canada3 Threads 8,017 Posts
galrads: Anyone ever known anyone else with serious acute Narcissism behavior? I do.

hiya galrads
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a quote for you....

a dog is not considered a good dog because he is a good barker. a man is not considered a good man because he is a good talker.
-buddha-

if a person's 'walk' and their 'talk' don't match..... pay attention to the walk.
it can take some time, but it's worth it.
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Feb 21, 2018 3:53 PM CST Covert Narcissism —
uptall
uptalluptallQuiet village..., Durham, England UK57 Threads 1 Polls 12,860 Posts
jono7: hiya galrads


a quote for you....

a dog is not considered a good dog because he is a good barker. a man is not considered a good man because he is a good talker.
-buddha-

if a person's 'walk' and their 'talk' don't match..... pay attention to the walk.
it can take some time, but it's worth it.



Ha yes. Beware the man with one leg and no doguh oh


Hello beautiful hug
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Feb 21, 2018 4:43 PM CST Covert Narcissism —
Crunia
CruniaCruniaVolcano Island, Canary Islands Spain5 Threads 252 Posts
seaworthy: I would say manipulation is manipulation...def. the action of manipulating something in a skillful manner.

Its the latent effects that distinguish between the manipulators behavior. In the case of the narcissist they will repeat the process over and over again and will never be able to feel the victims remorse. The non-narcissist would eventually understand what he/she did to their recipient and have that all important moment of repentance...


Ok Sir....you know what you are saying ....yes, I agree 100% with you SW
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Feb 21, 2018 6:41 PM CST Covert Narcissism —
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
jono7: hiya galrads


a quote for you....

a dog is not considered a good dog because he is a good barker. a man is not considered a good man because he is a good talker.
-buddha-

if a person's 'walk' and their 'talk' don't match..... pay attention to the walk.
it can take some time, but it's worth it.



Woof woof

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laugh thanks Jono
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