Is modern medicines, over populating the world? ( Archived) (28)

Feb 21, 2018 3:24 AM CST Is modern medicines, over populating the world?
mollybaby
mollybabymollybabyCork City, Cork Ireland56 Threads 8 Polls 23,608 Posts
pat8lanips: I think the real problem is disparity. People get into power, then award themselves heaps of medals and a chauffer driven bullet proof BMW, while everybody else starves.
Wasting money on the military/civil war, then blaming drought and famine are also common themes.
A lot of the time we are actually enabling this to go on and on, like in Ethiopia.
Personally, I think these places might be better off being run by women, OK maybe not Mugabes wife...


Pat, I agree. Corruption is rife in too many countries, and the populations suffer as a result.

Putting too much money into the hands of any small group of people is never a good thing. Greed takes over.

All governments should have to account for every penny they spend in a clear and transparent manner.
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Feb 21, 2018 3:26 AM CST Is modern medicines, over populating the world?
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
pat8lanips: I think the real problem is disparity. People get into power, then award themselves heaps of medals and a chauffer driven bullet proof BMW, while everybody else starves.
Wasting money on the military/civil war, then blaming drought and famine are also common themes.
A lot of the time we are actually enabling this to go on and on, like in Ethiopia.
Personally, I think these places might be better off being run by women, OK maybe not Mugabes wife...


The Kenyan GiveDirectly seems to be working fairly well. Giving them free money has improved their health and increased the numbers of hours they work. We can use technology to bypass corruption it's not as though African countries are real countries with a heritage and identity, they're fake nations of diversity created by arbitrarily drawing lines on a map. There's no reason to honour their government or leaders who spend the money on an amulet made from human finger bones.
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Feb 21, 2018 3:42 AM CST Is modern medicines, over populating the world?
jac_the_gripper
jac_the_gripperjac_the_gripperTonyrefail, South Glamorgan, Wales UK24 Threads 5,363 Posts
Hmm, there's something about derogating people from poorer countries for not being productive enough, whilst they grow crops for richer countries to waste, that I can't quite put my finger on.

As for modern medicine, despite the various ethical issues of the industry, how many people would be willing to sacrifice their own for the benefit of all? It would be rather odd if people didn't fight for their loved ones' survival.

Perhaps a change of mindset and some reorganisation would help avoid an apocalypse. dunno
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Feb 21, 2018 3:47 AM CST Is modern medicines, over populating the world?
Legally prescribed drugs, kill more people than any disease, more than wars, and drunk drivers too...

We have enough land to support a lot more people; but not when it's made into golf courses, and all the corn fields are growing gasahol.
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Feb 21, 2018 3:48 AM CST Is modern medicines, over populating the world?
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
ChesneyChrist: The Kenyan GiveDirectly seems to be working fairly well. Giving them free money has improved their health and increased the numbers of hours they work. We can use technology to bypass corruption it's not as though African countries are real countries with a heritage and identity, they're fake nations of diversity created by arbitrarily drawing lines on a map. There's no reason to honour their government or leaders who spend the money on an amulet made from human finger bones.


Forget Oxfam and forget foreign aid. Simply wire the money into grassroots accounts and allow it to trickle-up.

I think that's the happy medium between the status-quo and the old way. In the greatest generation days we didn't trust Africans to run things for themselves and we'd do the organising for them and things sort of worked(although Africans learned nothing), today we trust them to self-organise and nothing really works.

Africans are too childish and primitive to organise beyond the individual level. Government is odious in Africa because they're not very mature. But just because they're not grown up enough to organise collectively does not mean they're incapable of the much more basic and animal concept of personal responsibility. Buliding on personal responsibility may very well develop them into a people who can run their own government. They may take that civilised step from self into society.
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Feb 21, 2018 3:50 AM CST Is modern medicines, over populating the world?
pat8lanips: I think the real problem is disparity. People get into power, then award themselves heaps of medals and a chauffer driven bullet proof BMW, while everybody else starves.
Wasting money on the military/civil war, then blaming drought and famine are also common themes.
A lot of the time we are actually enabling this to go on and on, like in Ethiopia.
Personally, I think these places might be better off being run by women, OK maybe not Mugabes wife...



Bloody Mary?
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Feb 21, 2018 4:01 AM CST Is modern medicines, over populating the world?
pat8lanips
pat8lanipspat8lanipsbabinda, Queensland Australia67 Threads 14 Polls 6,372 Posts
jac_the_gripper: Hmm, there's something about derogating people from poorer countries for not being productive enough, whilst they grow crops for richer countries to waste, that I can't quite put my finger on.

As for modern medicine, despite the various ethical issues of the industry, how many people would be willing to sacrifice their own for the benefit of all? It would be rather odd if people didn't fight for their loved ones' survival.

Perhaps a change of mindset and some reorganisation would help avoid an apocalypse.


Depends where you're from I guess. We do broadacre farming here, not much we can viably import from elsewhere. Coffee and chocolate are the exceptions, they require huge amounts of child labour to produce. We do gourmet chocky and coffee, about 4 times the price of regular stuff...

We actually already have programs where we factor in giving some to poor countries, but this is not actually overly popular here. Of course, nobody cares about medications on the PBS (government funded) we figure they can have a little suck on the government tit, but if aids/cancer victims appear to be taken advantage of thats not gonna fly.
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Feb 21, 2018 4:05 AM CST Is modern medicines, over populating the world?
ChesneyChrist: Forget Oxfam and forget foreign aid. Simply wire the money into grassroots accounts and allow it to trickle-up.

Africans are too childish and primitive to organise beyond the individual level. .



You can text money to any phone in Africa; but the people I want to help don't own phones.


As for Africans being too primitive to organize beyond the individual level...

Africans are tribal by nature.
It's not uncommon to see 10-12 black people all dressed alike in nice clothes, walking down the street.

It's white people that tend to organize on an individual level.
You won't see 10-12 white people walking down the street, unless they're a baseball team, or in a uniform they get paid to wear...
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