Life sentences (21)
Friskyone: Should prisoner's sentenced to life sentences be given the choice to end their life instead of living out their sentence?
Why or why not?
Why or why not?
Sure. Why not.......would save money on room and board. Do you remember the Gary Gilmore case Frisky?
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Us tax payers shouldn't feed murder's/rapists/child molesters or terrorists.
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Miwagi: Sure. Why not.......would save money on room and board. Do you remember the Gary Gilmore case Frisky?
No I don't actually.
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Mercedes_00: Us tax payers shouldn't feed murder's/rapists/child molesters or terrorists.
I agree. It's expensive per prisoner but I'm on the fence because I kinda want them to suffer for the rest of their lives for their crime. So Im not sure either way.
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Friskyone: I agree. It's expensive per prisoner but I'm on the fence because I kinda want them to suffer for the rest of their lives for their crime. So Im not sure either way.
Here in Australia many are let out after so many years.
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We shoot horses don't we?
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Miwagi: We shoot horses don't we?
I hate to think that....
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Friskyone: I hate to think that....
That was a movie title back in the 60's I think.
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Miwagi: That was a movie title back in the 60's I think.
Oh, lol. I was confused. Lol.
Didn't see the movie.
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I guess I should tell who Gary Gilmore was too. He was convicted of murder in Utah and sentenced to death back in the 70's. Instead of going through a bunch of appeals and stuff, he just said go ahead and kill me. They finally did execute him but it took a while. Of course the death penalty is different from a life sentence.
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Friskyone: Oh, lol. I was confused. Lol.
Didn't see the movie.
Didn't see the movie.
You didn't miss much. lol
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Miwagi: I guess I should tell who Gary Gilmore was too. He was convicted of murder in Utah and sentenced to death back in the 70's. Instead of going through a bunch of appeals and stuff, he just said go ahead and kill me. They finally did execute him but it took a while. Of course the death penalty is different from a life sentence.
Thanks for elaborating.
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Mercedes_00: Your laws are much harsher than here
Is it because our crimes are worse than there do you think?
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You have a slight dilemma, or two here.
If someone wishes to end their own life, they may be classed as mental ill.
To execute a mentally ill person is against international law.
Execution is not the same as voluntary euthanasia, suicide, or assisted suicide.
You'd need a process for this, including establishing the prisoner is sound of mind and therefore capable of making the decision.
You'd also need an assisted suicide, or euthanasia procedure which is different from the current execution procedures.
Undoubtedly, a fair number of death row inmates would opt for assisted suicide, or euthanasia given the current position of the lethal injection in the US.
In which case, I'm not sure you could claim free choice, given the threat of the alternative. Coercion would be an issue.
Plus, there would likely be a public outcry that there wasn't enough cruel and unusual punishment involved.
If someone wishes to end their own life, they may be classed as mental ill.
To execute a mentally ill person is against international law.
Execution is not the same as voluntary euthanasia, suicide, or assisted suicide.
You'd need a process for this, including establishing the prisoner is sound of mind and therefore capable of making the decision.
You'd also need an assisted suicide, or euthanasia procedure which is different from the current execution procedures.
Undoubtedly, a fair number of death row inmates would opt for assisted suicide, or euthanasia given the current position of the lethal injection in the US.
In which case, I'm not sure you could claim free choice, given the threat of the alternative. Coercion would be an issue.
Plus, there would likely be a public outcry that there wasn't enough cruel and unusual punishment involved.
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ChesneyChrist: It varies from place to place but imo American feral precedes the harsh. Feral means that you were once upon a time not feral.. the difference between feral and the simple wild dog is the difference between Detroit and Zimbabwe. The difference between civilisational decline and civilisation never existing. The concern is that feral may be more difficult to tame than wild because feral has very often gorged on the fruits of civilisation already.
More broadly speaking many Americans have this feral - not to be confused with wild - instinct. An every man for himself lunge for the wilderness from people who've only ever known comfort and domestication. I contend that the decline and feral of advanced civilisation comes with a whole range of delusions and obsessive rabib compulsions which the wild dog and primitive society does not.
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jac_the_gripper: You have a slight dilemma, or two here.
If someone wishes to end their own life, they may be classed as mental ill.
To execute a mentally ill person is against international law.
Execution is not the same as voluntary euthanasia, suicide, or assisted suicide.
You'd need a process for this, including establishing the prisoner is sound of mind and therefore capable of making the decision.
You'd also need an assisted suicide, or euthanasia procedure which is different from the current execution procedures.
Undoubtedly, a fair number of death row inmates would opt for assisted suicide, or euthanasia given the current position of the lethal injection in the US.
In which case, I'm not sure you could claim free choice, given the threat of the alternative. Coercion would be an issue.
Plus, there would likely be a public outcry that there wasn't enough cruel and unusual punishment involved.
If someone wishes to end their own life, they may be classed as mental ill.
To execute a mentally ill person is against international law.
Execution is not the same as voluntary euthanasia, suicide, or assisted suicide.
You'd need a process for this, including establishing the prisoner is sound of mind and therefore capable of making the decision.
You'd also need an assisted suicide, or euthanasia procedure which is different from the current execution procedures.
Undoubtedly, a fair number of death row inmates would opt for assisted suicide, or euthanasia given the current position of the lethal injection in the US.
In which case, I'm not sure you could claim free choice, given the threat of the alternative. Coercion would be an issue.
Plus, there would likely be a public outcry that there wasn't enough cruel and unusual punishment involved.
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ChesneyChrist: More broadly speaking many Americans have this feral - not to be confused with wild - instinct. An every man for himself lunge for the wilderness from people who've only ever known comfort and domestication. I contend that the decline and feral of advanced civilisation comes with a whole range of delusions and obsessive rabib compulsions which the wild dog and primitive society does not.
You see the feral animal sounds wild but could not live without the civilisation he scavenges from. His whole existence is sustained by the society he menaces. And like the civilised man the feral is not self-reliant - he could not survive without the civilisation surrounding him - but like the wild dog he is also not conscious of others. Through feral you basically developed a people incapable of surviving in nature or society.
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ChesneyChrist: You see the feral animal sounds wild but could not live without the civilisation he scavenges from. His whole existence is sustained by the society he menaces. And like the civilised man the feral is not self-reliant - he could not survive without the civilisation surrounding him - but like the wild dog he is also not conscious of others. Through feral you basically developed a people incapable of surviving in nature or society.
Two or three decades of relentless social progress is the answer. Quality of life has to jump way, way ahead like it did from the end of the war to the 1960s - this is the only way to guide feral back to the people; it's knowing the world's not all wrong sometimes. Knowing there's a reason not to give up on life, the life sentence in western civilisation is its cynicism and ever-present sense of dread and the western man must be pardoned from this fate or we will decay into something like Russia.
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ChesneyChrist: Two or three decades of relentless social progress is the answer. Quality of life has to jump way, way ahead like it did from the end of the war to the 1960s - this is the only way to guide feral back to the people; it's knowing the world's not all wrong sometimes. Knowing there's a reason not to give up on life, the life sentence in western civilisation is its cynicism and ever-present sense of dread and the western man must be pardoned from this fate or we will decay into something like Russia.
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