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Mar 13, 2018 10:02 AM CST Jury Service...
jac_the_gripper
jac_the_gripperjac_the_gripperTonyrefail, South Glamorgan, Wales UK24 Threads 5,363 Posts
If you were 80% positive that someone had committed a murder and only 20% not sure that he did, would you send him to prison based on that percentage?

What percentage would you need to be satisfied that someone was guilty beyond reasonable doubt?
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Mar 13, 2018 10:20 AM CST Jury Service...
One2note
One2noteOne2noteLondon, Essex, England UK286 Threads 3 Polls 7,606 Posts
jac_the_gripper: If you were 80% positive that someone had committed a murder and only 20% not sure that he did, would you send him to prison based on that percentage?

What percentage would you need to be satisfied that someone was guilty beyond reasonable doubt?


100% is the norm !professor
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Mar 13, 2018 10:22 AM CST Jury Service...
mollybaby
mollybabymollybabyCork City, Cork Ireland56 Threads 8 Polls 23,608 Posts
jac_the_gripper: If you were 80% positive that someone had committed a murder and only 20% not sure that he did, would you send him to prison based on that percentage?

What percentage would you need to be satisfied that someone was guilty beyond reasonable doubt?


I honestly don't know

it is supposed to be beyond reasonable doubt.

If there was evidence to support the 80%, then I would have to go on my gut feeling for the other 20%.
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Mar 13, 2018 10:28 AM CST Jury Service...
jac_the_gripper
jac_the_gripperjac_the_gripperTonyrefail, South Glamorgan, Wales UK24 Threads 5,363 Posts
What would your gut feeling be based upon, Molly?
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Mar 13, 2018 10:34 AM CST Jury Service...
CossackCat
CossackCatCossackCatSomewhere, Maryland USA492 Threads 45 Polls 9,137 Posts
jac_the_gripper: If you were 80% positive that someone had committed a murder and only 20% not sure that he did, would you send him to prison based on that percentage?

What percentage would you need to be satisfied that someone was guilty beyond reasonable doubt?


VERY SIMILAR TO THIS THREAD..

What would you do


If you were 80% positive that someone was going to commit murder and only 20% not sure if he would.

Would you send him to prison, based on the fact that he had not committed murder YET but there was an 80% chance that he would?

What would you do?
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Mar 13, 2018 10:48 AM CST Jury Service...
One2note
One2noteOne2noteLondon, Essex, England UK286 Threads 3 Polls 7,606 Posts
mollybaby: I honestly don't know

it is supposed to be beyond reasonable doubt.

If there was evidence to support the 80%, then I would have to go on my gut feeling for the other 20%.


I don't think gut instinct comes into play, when someone's freedom is at risk.
It has to be proved beyond reasonable doubt, based on facts or there will be a "hung jury", which in most cases , means an acquittal!professor
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Mar 13, 2018 10:51 AM CST Jury Service...
mollybaby
mollybabymollybabyCork City, Cork Ireland56 Threads 8 Polls 23,608 Posts
One2note: I don't think gut instinct comes into play, when someone's freedom is at risk.
It has to be proved beyond reasonable doubt, based on facts or there will be a "hung jury", which in most cases , means an acquittal!


But what is reasonable doubt?
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Mar 13, 2018 10:52 AM CST Jury Service...
One2note
One2noteOne2noteLondon, Essex, England UK286 Threads 3 Polls 7,606 Posts
mollybaby: But what is reasonable doubt?


Based on facts.
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Mar 13, 2018 10:53 AM CST Jury Service...
CossackCat: VERY SIMILAR TO THIS THREAD..

What would you do


If you were 80% positive that someone was going to commit murder and only 20% not sure if he would.

Would you send him to prison, based on the fact that he had not committed murder YET but there was an 80% chance that he would?

What would you do?


@Jac has robbed a thread........im 80% surelaugh
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Mar 13, 2018 10:53 AM CST Jury Service...
Innocentia00122
Innocentia00122Innocentia00122Osnabrück, Lower Saxony Germany2 Threads 723 Posts
jac_the_gripper: If you were 80% positive that someone had committed a murder and only 20% not sure that he did, would you send him to prison based on that percentage?

What percentage would you need to be satisfied that someone was guilty beyond reasonable doubt?

No, I would not send him or her to prison then. I had to be 100% sure. There are so many humans involved in presenting and discussing such a crime in the court. I had to be totally sure that I am right with my judgement.
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Mar 13, 2018 10:54 AM CST Jury Service...
LeeCharming
LeeCharmingLeeCharmingCardiff, South Glamorgan, Wales UK537 Threads 273 Polls 6,941 Posts
jac_the_gripper: If you were 80% positive that someone had committed a murder and only 20% not sure that he did, would you send him to prison based on that percentage?

What percentage would you need to be satisfied that someone was guilty beyond reasonable doubt?
I thought you hated men with a passion? Should be easiest choice you ever made and the poor bloke is doomeduh oh
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Mar 13, 2018 10:54 AM CST Jury Service...
mollybaby
mollybabymollybabyCork City, Cork Ireland56 Threads 8 Polls 23,608 Posts
One2note: Based on facts.


I know that, but my point is, what percentage is 'beyond reasonable doubt' ?

100% is certain

50 % could go either way

Is 80% beyond reasonable doubt?
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Mar 13, 2018 10:55 AM CST Jury Service...
mollybaby
mollybabymollybabyCork City, Cork Ireland56 Threads 8 Polls 23,608 Posts
LeeCharming: I thought you hated men with a passion? Should be easiest choice you ever made and the poor bloke is doomed


it's a woman that is on the dock roll eyes
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Mar 13, 2018 10:57 AM CST Jury Service...
jac_the_gripper
jac_the_gripperjac_the_gripperTonyrefail, South Glamorgan, Wales UK24 Threads 5,363 Posts
Yes, I know it's very similar to that thread.

It's also very different.

I've been trying to think of a way to explore this question for some time. I was all set to respond to Frisky's thread with it and it occurred to me it might derail it unfairly.

It then occurred to me, running them concurrently might lead to some interesting contrasts and comparisons.
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Mar 13, 2018 11:01 AM CST Jury Service...
One2note
One2noteOne2noteLondon, Essex, England UK286 Threads 3 Polls 7,606 Posts
mollybaby: I know that, but my point is, what percentage is 'beyond reasonable doubt' ?

100% is certain

50 % could go either way

Is 80% beyond reasonable doubt?


Beyond reasonable doubt means 100%, nothing less.
Remember the Guildford four?
There was reasonable doubt, but because emotions were running high, they were wrongly imprisoned .
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Mar 13, 2018 11:01 AM CST Jury Service...
LeeCharming
LeeCharmingLeeCharmingCardiff, South Glamorgan, Wales UK537 Threads 273 Polls 6,941 Posts
mollybaby: it's a woman that is on the dock
Well in that case Jac would let her off, regardless of the evidence against her...I see a not guilty verdict
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Mar 13, 2018 11:07 AM CST Jury Service...
jac_the_gripper
jac_the_gripperjac_the_gripperTonyrefail, South Glamorgan, Wales UK24 Threads 5,363 Posts
No Lee, it's more personal than that.

I don't like you. laugh
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Mar 13, 2018 11:07 AM CST Jury Service...
mollybaby
mollybabymollybabyCork City, Cork Ireland56 Threads 8 Polls 23,608 Posts
One2note: Beyond reasonable doubt means 100%, nothing less.
Remember the Guildford four?
There was reasonable doubt, but because emotions were running high, they were wrongly imprisoned .


Of course I remember the Guilford 4, and the Bermingham 6 as well, as well as other individuals who were wrongly accused.

That is why I am trying to figure out, can you ever be 100% certain, unless you saw the crime with your own eyes
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Mar 13, 2018 11:07 AM CST Jury Service...
mollybaby
mollybabymollybabyCork City, Cork Ireland56 Threads 8 Polls 23,608 Posts
jac_the_gripper: No Lee, it's more personal than that.

I don't like you.


Guilty with 0% evidence? laugh
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Mar 13, 2018 11:11 AM CST Jury Service...
One2note
One2noteOne2noteLondon, Essex, England UK286 Threads 3 Polls 7,606 Posts
mollybaby: Of course I remember the Guilford 4, and the Bermingham 6 as well, as well as other individuals who were wrongly accused.

That is why I am trying to figure out, can you ever be 100% certain, unless you saw the crime with your own eyes


You can never be 100% certain, but with modern technology & forensic evidence so advanced, it does make things a lot more easier, as a pose to guesswork.
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