Should laws that restrict access to guns be abandoned? ( Archived) (97)

Nov 17, 2018 11:29 PM CST Should laws that restrict access to guns be abandoned?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
badude: BerrySmoothie No.

If tighter gun law restrictions were implemented in America resulting in
less availability and distribution of guns, there would be a dramatic decrease in gun related deaths.

It’s not rocket science, just sheer blardy common sense.

The case for a dramatic increase in gun related deaths . . .

There are more registered guns in the US than there are pets. There are more pets than people. There are 340,000,000 + people. That’s a lot of registered guns. I bet there are multi millions more unregistered guns. In Texas you can shot a person breaking into your neighbor’s house as well. When the police show up, your gun better be registered. Implementing restrictions on the availability and distribution of guns might help against the people who bother to obey the law and register their guns. MS13 doesn’t register guns. I think law-abiding citizenry shoot and kill far less people than the criminals. If laws against guns are passsed, the number of illegal guns becomes a lot greater. They can’t police the multi million number of illegal guns as it is . . . If laws were successful is stopping the introduction of ever legal or illegal gun in the US, you still have to implement new laws to recover all the guns that are already in the US . . . good luck with that.
Hey dude, this thread is not just about gun laws in the usa or the Americas and for what its worth, there is no national gun registry in the usa unless you are talking about automatic firearms like Thompson submachine guns.


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Nov 17, 2018 11:39 PM CST Should laws that restrict access to guns be abandoned?
BerrySmoothie
BerrySmoothieBerrySmoothieMy Retreat, Auckland New Zealand3 Threads 4,733 Posts
badude: BerrySmoothie No.

If tighter gun law restrictions were implemented in America resulting in
less availability and distribution of guns, there would be a dramatic decrease in gun related deaths.

It’s not rocket science, just sheer blardy common sense.

The case for a dramatic increase in gun related deaths . . .

There are more registered guns in the US than there are pets. There are more pets than people. There are 340,000,000 + people. That’s a lot of registered guns. I bet there are multi millions more unregistered guns. In Texas you can shot a person breaking into your neighbor’s house as well. When the police show up, your gun better be registered. Implementing restrictions on the availability and distribution of guns might help against the people who bother to obey the law and register their guns. MS13 doesn’t register guns. I think law-abiding citizenry shoot and kill far less people than the criminals. If laws against guns are passsed, the number of illegal guns becomes a lot greater. They can’t police the multi million number of illegal guns as it is . . . If laws were successful is stopping the introduction of ever legal or illegal gun in the US, you still have to implement new laws to recover all the guns that are already in the US . . . good luck with that.
There has come a time in the USA to be proactive in taking steps to restrict all to access of guns, at the very least a tightening up of laws to availability.

There wil always be a black market for weaponry, though there needs to be a starting point.

What do you suggest Badude? Remain with the status quo? That sure is proving a hit with the number of mass shootings in America on the increase. uh oh
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Nov 18, 2018 12:00 AM CST Should laws that restrict access to guns be abandoned?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
BerrySmoothie: There has come a time in the USA to be proactive in taking steps to restrict all to access of guns, at the very least a tightening up of laws to availability.

There wil always be a black market for weaponry, though there needs to be a starting point.

What do you suggest Badude? Remain with the status quo? That sure is proving a hit with the number of mass shootings in America on the increase.
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You both dont know what you are talking about and refuse to discuss the thread subject. Next thing you’ll want the workd to get rid of autos because people use them to run over and kill other people. Have fun BS wave
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Nov 18, 2018 12:06 AM CST Should laws that restrict access to guns be abandoned?
BerrySmoothie
BerrySmoothieBerrySmoothieMy Retreat, Auckland New Zealand3 Threads 4,733 Posts
galrads: You both dont know what you are talking about and refuse to discuss the thread subject. Next thing you’ll want the workd to get rid of autos because people use them to run over and kill other people. Have fun BS
I will.

Thank you Galrads
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Nov 18, 2018 12:27 AM CST Should laws that restrict access to guns be abandoned?
badude
badudebadudeAuckland, New Zealand13 Posts
BerrySmoothie

There has come a time in the USA to be proactive in taking steps to restrict all to access of guns, at the very least a tightening up of laws to availability.

There wil always be a black market for weaponry, though there needs to be a starting point.

What do you suggest Badude? Remain with the status quo? That sure is proving a hit with the number of mass shootings in America on the increase.

New legislation costs millions. The NRA spends millions on Lobbyists and Congressmen and Senators, etc. . . . to block new legislation. Back and forth and back and forth . . . nothing changes. A waste of money. I think the Depatment of Defense will spend $800,000,000,000.00 next year alone on their guns. Not going to be successful in changing the culture. Lots of hungry and homeless. MILLIONS more than there are who are victims of gun violence. Borrow $1,000,000,000.00 from the DOD next year. Target a city like Chicago or L.A. Feed people. Get them off the streets. Give them needed medical treatment. Provide real education opportunities. Improve quality of life. Introduce a crazy notion like social inclusion to a greater portion of the population. I bet people who feel included with better things to do lowers the number of incidents of gun violence . . . a lot. If it works, try a few more cities . . .

Not sure that will resolve the issue completely. Never happen anyway. Not hard to see WHY people are violent. Address those issues. Take the guns. A person will use a knife. Give a person food to use the knife on . . . probably won’t be hungry enough to get a gun?

Every male in Norway, I think, has a gun in the home provided by the military for additional service if it becomes necessary. Guns don’t seem to be a problem. I think they pay 50% tax or something, too. Social programs. Redistribution of Wealth, I know . . . but maybe gun violence and the amount a person is taxed is inversely related . . .
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Nov 18, 2018 12:42 AM CST Should laws that restrict access to guns be abandoned?
BerrySmoothie
BerrySmoothieBerrySmoothieMy Retreat, Auckland New Zealand3 Threads 4,733 Posts
badude: BerrySmoothie

There has come a time in the USA to be proactive in taking steps to restrict all to access of guns, at the very least a tightening up of laws to availability.

There wil always be a black market for weaponry, though there needs to be a starting point.

What do you suggest Badude? Remain with the status quo? That sure is proving a hit with the number of mass shootings in America on the increase.

New legislation costs millions. The NRA spends millions on Lobbyists and Congressmen and Senators, etc. . . . to block new legislation. Back and forth and back and forth . . . nothing changes. A waste of money. I think the Depatment of Defense will spend $800,000,000,000.00 next year alone on their guns. Not going to be successful in changing the culture. Lots of hungry and homeless. MILLIONS more than there are who are victims of gun violence. Borrow $1,000,000,000.00 from the DOD next year. Target a city like Chicago or L.A. Feed people. Get them off the streets. Give them needed medical treatment. Provide real education opportunities. Improve quality of life. Introduce a crazy notion like social inclusion to a greater portion of the population. I bet people who feel included with better things to do lowers the number of incidents of gun violence . . . a lot. If it works, try a few more cities . . .

Not sure that will resolve the issue completely. Never happen anyway. Not hard to see WHY people are violent. Address those issues. Take the guns. A person will use a knife. Give a person food to use the knife on . . . probably won’t be hungry enough to get a gun?

Every male in Norway, I think, has a gun in the home provided by the military for additional service if it becomes necessary. Guns don’t seem to be a problem. I think they pay 50% tax or something, too. Social programs. Redistribution of Wealth, I know . . . but maybe gun violence and the amount a person is taxed is inversely related . . .
Those aren’t bad ideas.

Perhaps you should run for presidency in 2020 cos we certainly won’t see those changes implemented with the current nong at the helm.

I’m done on this thread. Our wee yankee friend is having a hissy fit because we’ve apparently strayed off topic. dunno
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Nov 18, 2018 12:58 AM CST Should laws that restrict access to guns be abandoned?
badude
badudebadudeAuckland, New Zealand13 Posts
galrads: Hey dude, this thread is not just about gun laws in the usa or the Americas and for what its worth, there is no national gun registry in the usa unless you are talking about automatic firearms like Thompson submachine guns.
Hey, Galrad.

I did not mean to imply that there is a national registry. I was just trying to say there are a lot of guns. Berry narrowed the thread down to what I was addressing. The people who get guns legally in the US have dotted the i s and crossed their t s. A man was recently killed in the US who was ordered to surrender his weapons. I think the process he followed to purchase his weapons was legit as well. A new law or ordinance in his city required him to surrender his weapons? Didn’t t go well.

My neighbor south of Chicago had the means of making his own rounds. We used to go to the cemetery and put speakers on the hood of his car and broadcast a cassette he had of crows fighting an owl. The crows left their roosts by the hundreds. We used his various assortment of weapons to shoot them down. I have a loss of hearing in my right ear from not using ear plugs and the ping of a M-16. I don’t own any weapons, but I know a lot of Americans who do. They are going to be hard pressed to surrender their weapons. There’s just a culture. There are militias across the country and doomsday types that are loaded for bear . . .

Sorry about those Browns. Good luck with the new female coach?
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Nov 18, 2018 1:12 AM CST Should laws that restrict access to guns be abandoned?
Mercedes_00
Mercedes_00Mercedes_00Greater Sydney, New South Wales Australia18 Threads 20,301 Posts
galrads: You both dont know what you are talking about and refuse to discuss the thread subject. Next thing you’ll want the workd to get rid of autos because people use them to run over and kill other people. Have fun BS
Kids are being blown to pieces and you laugh and scoff at those who's opinion differentiates from your own.

Why is it that the rest of the world sheds a tear yet the majority of Americans don't have an emotional bone in their body?

I pity those of you who are immune to kids being blown to pieces all for the sake of only wanting to own a gun because it's looked at there as being rad & cool
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Nov 18, 2018 1:16 AM CST Should laws that restrict access to guns be abandoned?
badude
badudebadudeAuckland, New Zealand13 Posts
BerrySmoothie: Those aren’t bad ideas.

Perhaps you should run for presidency in 2020 cos we certainly won’t see those changes implemented with the current nong at the helm.

I’m done on this thread. Our wee yankee friend is having a hissy fit because we’ve apparently strayed off topic.
Hi, Berry.

Dublin is between Cincinnati and Cleveland . . . not very powerful NFL teams in either city; GO BEARS!!! Not sure I would be in a very good mood either if that’s the case at this time of the season and their records. The Bears are not much better . . . sigh. I digress, again . . .

Yes, gun laws should be abandoned and stop making new ones. Enforcement is an obvious issue. I think new printers can make plastic guns.

Chicago is a mess. A few laws in Chicago that makes weapons non existent . . . yet 4000 gun related instances in 2016 and near 800 deaths.

Spend the money making life better for people.

Uhm, Hilary made the mess in the South China Sea and was also responsible as Secretary of State, with Obama, for the mess in Benghazi. She will probably run again in 2020 . . .
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Nov 18, 2018 2:18 AM CST Should laws that restrict access to guns be abandoned?
well,all those anti-Gunners could sign up for that new program!
Just go from Door to Door and collect those pesky Firearms!
Gonna be a cinch!
Or will you call in armed Men to do your bidding?
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Nov 18, 2018 3:25 AM CST Should laws that restrict access to guns be abandoned?
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
You’ve never needed to shoot anybody and you’ve never seen anybody get shot and yet you’re convinced you need a gun for self-defence.

Now why does anybody feel that insecure in the most secure of circumstances? To be that defensive locked in your own basement in some town where nothing ever happens makes the gun more like a comfort blanket than a real defence, there was never any danger.
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Nov 18, 2018 3:46 AM CST Should laws that restrict access to guns be abandoned?
ChesneyChrist: You’ve never needed to shoot anybody and you’ve never seen anybody get shot and yet you’re convinced you need a gun for self-defence.

Now why does anybody feel that insecure in the most secure of circumstances? To be that defensive locked in your own basement in some town where nothing ever happens makes the gun more like a comfort blanket than a real defence, there was never any danger.
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Nov 18, 2018 5:00 AM CST Should laws that restrict access to guns be abandoned?
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
I was wondering if abyoudh was interested in purchasing some volcano insurance? To qualify all you have to do is dig a moat around your property deep enough for a kiddy to drown in.
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Nov 18, 2018 5:06 AM CST Should laws that restrict access to guns be abandoned?
When guns are restricted the laws will be bygone.
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Nov 18, 2018 5:47 AM CST Should laws that restrict access to guns be abandoned?
Malfidus
MalfidusMalfidusAntwerp, Antwerpen Belgium7 Threads 116 Posts
I love the American leaders for their visions (=sarcasm). The biggest industry in the world is the weapon industry! More then $ 920 billion or €806 billion in 2018 no other part of the economy does better!! That is why the US has imperialism in its policy. That is ONE of the reasons -as there are still others - why there is still war going on in the Middle East and the whole world.
Every intervention brings a mass of dollars in the US and... Western countries their economies. It all are hypocrites, on one hand they claim to bring peace to the war countries on the other hand they are selling them all kinds of weapons. If those cannot pay them in money, then they may do it in raw materials as oil, ores ,people... whatever, so the sellers become richer and they themselves poorer. doh
For this reason the outdated second amendment will not be adapted even though the hundreds of innocent citizen victimes every year. Their interpretation of freedom in the US is as it pleases them !! Its instinctively.
When will the American people mix realize it and wanna to change??? confused
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Nov 18, 2018 5:58 AM CST Should laws that restrict access to guns be abandoned?
PeKaatje
PeKaatjePeKaatjeAnkeveen, North Holland Netherlands59 Threads 3 Polls 6,334 Posts
They are restricted in many European countries and look what happens. Criminals from other countries, mostly North Africa and East Europe are coming to use and start their criminal carreer overhere.
Almost all the murders in my country are committed by people who weren't born in the Netherlands.
There is a drugwar going on here between East European and the Mocro maffia, with regular shootings.
Some people dump handgranates before pubs, (with the pin still in), and then the pub has to close, forced by the government.

Believe me, if I had the money I would leave this country, maybe a very small country like Luxembourgh or Liechtenstein would be safe havens to live.
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Nov 18, 2018 6:08 AM CST Should laws that restrict access to guns be abandoned?
PeKaatje: They are restricted in many European countries and look what happens. Criminals from other countries, mostly North Africa and East Europe are coming to use and start their criminal carreer overhere.
Almost all the murders in my country are committed by people who weren't born in the Netherlands.
There is a drugwar going on here between East European and the Mocro maffia, with regular shootings.
Some people dump handgranates before pubs, (with the pin still in), and then the pub has to close, forced by the government.

Believe me, if I had the money I would leave this country, maybe a very small country like Luxembourgh or Liechtenstein would be safe havens to live.
you'd run into those same Problems and restrictions in those countries!
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Nov 18, 2018 6:15 AM CST Should laws that restrict access to guns be abandoned?
Sir_T
Sir_TSir_TLimerick, Ireland4 Threads 598 Posts
Oh, and back to Benghazi, I actually personally knew Sean Smith. Not well, as we only spoke a few times over voice comms, but I knew him. Fantastic guy. This was not just a name on a page used to kick politicians for me. I knew his voice. I heard his laugh.

And Clinton had zip and nothing to do with the mans death.

As Obama said himself, the buck ultimately stops at Obama as CNC. But there were factors as well, such as the Republican house voting 6 months before to slash security funding at Benghazi after the US embassy specifically requested half a million more money for security.
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Nov 18, 2018 6:24 AM CST Should laws that restrict access to guns be abandoned?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
Mercedes_00: Kids are being blown to pieces and you laugh and scoff at those who's opinion differentiates from your own.

Why is it that the rest of the world sheds a tear yet the majority of Americans don't have an emotional bone in their body?

I pity those of you who are immune to kids being blown to pieces all for the sake of only wanting to own a gun because it's looked at there as being rad & cool
im laughing at their innacuracies use innsupporting their bloviationg. You have the USA somewhat wrong too. The dude said we have registered guns here and i mentioned we dont. He said she said, “There are more registered guns in the US than there are pets.” .... and his bloviating has nothing to do wuth this thread’ topic. Just another bloviator.
And i sont know what to think about you thinking i think its funny to blow kids people up. Btw where did this happen by home grown terroist here.
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Nov 18, 2018 6:38 AM CST Should laws that restrict access to guns be abandoned?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
What are you runninG on about lettuce and why dont you please stick with the thread topic in your posts? You got it in you. Focus sont attack people.
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