Let_Us: The MOST FAMOUS nonsense poem of ALL time! Let me present
"Jabberwocky"
Written by Lewis Carroll, in "Through the Looking Glass, and What Alice Found There", published in 1871.
Let_us, His name was actually Charles Dodgson and the poem is not nonsense at all!
Alice's Adventures was written as a protest of the developments in "modern" schooling as well as the "new" maths being created during his time. He was a staunch Euclidean math teacher.
The Queen of Hearts was an irrational number using axes (axis) to chop off their heads. The Chesire cat's smile was a parabola. "Don't lose your temper!" meant don't change your proportion. (English has changed a bit since then....) Etc...
But the Mock Turtle's Story takes the cake!
The Master was a Tortoise - because he taught us. They studied: Ambition, Distraction, Uglification and Derision. "What else had you to learn?" "Well, there was Mystery, ancient and modern, with Seaography: then Drawling- the Drawling-master was an old conger-eel....he taught us Drawling, Stretching and Fainting in Coils."
Hopefully, all the Art students out there got that one!
He was a genius...and Jabberwocky is a masterpiece!
PS. "Through the Looking Glass" is about the 4th dimension and a Chess game.
Kaylana04: Let_us, His name was actually Charles Dodgson and the poem is not nonsense at all!
Alice's Adventures was written as a protest of the developments in "modern" schooling as well as the "new" maths being created during his time. He was a staunch Euclidean math teacher.
The Queen of Hearts was an irrational number using axes (axis) to chop off their heads. The Chesire cat's smile was a parabola. "Don't lose your temper!" meant don't change your proportion. (English has changed a bit since then....) Etc...
But the Mock Turtle's Story takes the cake!
The Master was a Tortoise - because he taught us. They studied: Ambition, Distraction, Uglification and Derision. "What else had you to learn?" "Well, there was Mystery, ancient and modern, with Seaography: then Drawling- the Drawling-master was an old conger-eel....he taught us Drawling, Stretching and Fainting in Coils."
Hopefully, all the Art students out there got that one!
He was a genius...and Jabberwocky is a masterpiece!
PS. "Through the Looking Glass" is about the 4th dimension and a Chess game.
I WON'T debate the "nonsense" aspect of it, with you KL! It's CERTAINLY nonsense, in that the words are NOT words! But THAT'S THE WHOLE GENIUS of it! He let's the reader "CREATE/WRITE" his own poem! Just having created a framework for the reader to DO that! The reader becomes the writer, the creator! An ALMOST UNIQUE example of genius at work/conceptualization!
And I knew the "Charles Dodson", but IF I'd written that Charles Dodson wrote it, we'd have had MORE than just The Red Queen screaming "OFF WITH HIS HEAD!"
I DIDN'T know that it was written as a protest against NEW schooling methods. It was my understanding that it was written as an entertainment for his niece, Alice. But THAT would be a good cover for something that could have been considered "subversive", by some, if it objected to the then current "popular" REASONING. Maybe he's even MORE of a genius that I'd thought! I have NO trouble seeing/reading it as allegory. I'll be happy to read your thoughts on ANY topic! Thanks!
Let_Us: I'll be happy to read your thoughts on ANY topic! Thanks!
Thanks for the compliments! (I didn't get back to you on the other post.)
As for the first riddle above... I'm guessing it's phrases might sound like other words, where if you listen to the poem, it will give a different meaning. Sometimess, our eyes get in the way of understanding and other times, it's our ears confusing us!
Kaylana04: Thanks for the compliments! (I didn't get back to you on the other post.)
As for the first riddle above... I'm guessing it's phrases might sound like other words, where if you listen to the poem, it will give a different meaning. Sometimess, our eyes get in the way of understanding and other times, it's our ears confusing us!
I've been "confused" from the moment mom gave me a pacifier, KL! And it's TRUE! The MORE you (think you) KNOW, the EASIER it is for you to REALIZE that the AMOUNT TO KNOW has increased! So, in a manner of speaking, it's TRUE that "The MORE you know, the LESS you know"! There IS No "end" to questions! EVERY answer you learn, generates AT LEAST one more question! Most OFTEN, MORE than one! And, to MY knowledge, "I" DON'T "KNOW" anything! I THINK/BELIEVE a LOT of "things"! But I DON'T THINK I "KNOW" anything! And I AGREE that, EVEN WHEN our "senses" are operating "well", our "logic" ISN'T necessarily the BEST "path" to knowledge OR wisdom. But we muddle on as best we can. (And it's people like YOU, that give me SOME "hope" we're gonna survive ourselves!)
Kaylana04: Thanks for the compliments! (I didn't get back to you on the other post.)
As for the first riddle above... I'm guessing it's phrases might sound like other words, where if you listen to the poem, it will give a different meaning. Sometimess, our eyes get in the way of understanding and other times, it's our ears confusing us!
The Master was a Tortoise - because he taught us. They studied: Ambition, Distraction, Uglification and Derision. "What else had you to learn?" "Well, there was Mystery, ancient and modern, with Seaography: then Drawling- the Drawling-master was an old conger-eel....he taught us Drawling, Stretching and Fainting in Coils."
Your comment about "the first riddle" got me to thinking, KL. And I went back to your "Mock Turtle" presentation. And, just a thought, but it COULD BE, that he was stating HIS opinion of what was being taught. "Ambition" COULD be seen as "ambit", and, as a mathematician (particularly a Euclidean), he could be saying that the NEW teaching were AVOIDING the REAL problem/knowledge, by wandering in circles AROUND the "point". "Distraction" COULD BE seen as a comment, by AGAIN removing the "ion". Which leaves us with "distract". They were DISTRACTING attention away from what HE thought were the REAL conundrums, with the NEW teachings. "Uglification" could be JUST THAT! The were making the simple beauty of Euclidean teachings "ugly", with the new ways of teaching/seeing. And "Derision" might be his way of saying that he DERIDED" the new "learning" His way of saying that HE DIDN'T think it was GOOD teaching/learning/knowledge, at all. TOTAL "conjecture", on my part. I have NO IDEA what was in the man's mind, when he wrote it. Just a thought. A possibility, for consideration.
Let_Us: The Master was a Tortoise - because he taught us. They studied: Ambition, Distraction, Uglification and Derision. ... And, just a thought, but it COULD BE, that he was stating HIS opinion of what was being taught. "Ambition" COULD be seen as "ambit", and, as a mathematician (particularly a Euclidean), he could be saying that the NEW teaching were AVOIDING the REAL problem/knowledge, by wandering in circles AROUND the "point". "Distraction" COULD BE seen as a comment, by AGAIN removing the "ion". Which leaves us with "distract". They were DISTRACTING attention away from what HE thought were the REAL conundrums, with the NEW teachings. "Uglification" could be JUST THAT! The were making the simple beauty of Euclidean teachings "ugly", with the new ways of teaching/seeing. And "Derision" might be his way of saying that he DERIDED" the new "learning" His way of saying that HE DIDN'T think it was GOOD teaching/learning/knowledge, at all.
++++++ "I never heard of "Uglification," Alice ventured to say. "What is it?"
The Gryphon lifted up both its paws in surprise. "What! Never heard of uglifying!" it exclaimed. "You know what to beautify is, I suppose?"
"Yes," said Alice doubtfully: "it means - to - make - anything - prettier."
"Well, then," the Gryphon went on, "if you don't know what to uglify is, you are a simpleton."
Alice did not feel encouraged to ask any more questions about it.... ++++++++
Sigh...... A scene played out every single day in thousands of schools....
HexagonKeySet: You won a cash prize for it's extraordinary length ... and it's probably best invested in therpay sessions ... with Pedro or one of the other Forum Experts ;-)
I GUESS you had to have been there! Do you HAVE a sense of NONsense, Hex? But then, I GUESS it's NOT NONsense, in that it makes PERFECT sense! "I" WOULD be a bit ticked off, if a mouse made a fool of ME, TOO! Wouldn't YOU? Maybe it's just the FUN aspect that gives you trouble? And, about YOUR complaint about it's length, DID you read it ALL THE WAY through? If so, then IT MUST HAVE BEEN ENTERTAINING! So SINCE WHEN has there been a length law on how long we can HAVE "fun/entertainment"? Personally, "I" think, the longer the fun last, the BETTER! But then, MAYBE you're allergic to fun! But I'll tell you the REAL "fun" of THAT poem! It got paid for and published! Brought me a few dinners, amongst other things!
Let_Us: I GUESS you had to have been there! Do you HAVE a sense of NONsense, Hex? But then, I GUESS it's NOT NONsense, in that it makes PERFECT sense! "I" WOULD be a bit ticked off, if a mouse made a fool of ME, TOO! Wouldn't YOU? Maybe it's just the FUN aspect that gives you trouble? And, about YOUR complaint about it's length, DID you read it ALL THE WAY through? If so, then IT MUST HAVE BEEN ENTERTAINING! So SINCE WHEN has there been a length law on how long we can HAVE "fun/entertainment"? Personally, "I" think, the longer the fun last, the BETTER! But then, MAYBE you're allergic to fun! But I'll tell you the REAL "fun" of THAT poem! It got paid for and published! Brought me a few dinners, amongst other things!
A sense of nonsense?
Byt my dear friend Lettuce ... indeed I do, but the nonsense in my reply sailed gracefully over your head like a tin roof in a hurricane ;-)
While there's considerable talent hard to say it qualifies as 'nonsense'
It 'seems' to the trained eye that it's a very moving personal experience ... that you found Tom abandoned in a forest and brought him back to life with your tender ministrations and fudge packing penetrations ?
Sure, it's worth a wine ... but as you can see, the Whine Waitress is already on the floor - just place your order ... just don't be surprised if her sham pain tastes just like cherry cola ! :-)
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"One Fine Day in the Middle of the night"
One fine day in the middle of the night
Two dead men got up to fight
Back to back they faced each other
Drew their swords and shot each other
One was blind and the other couldn't see
So they chose a dummy for a referee
A blind man went to see fair play
A dumb man went to shout "hooray!"
A legless donkey passing by
Kicked the blind man in the eye
Knocked him through a 9 inch wall
Into a dry ditch and drowned them all
A deaf policeman heard the noise
And came to arrest the 2 dead boys
If you don't believe this story's true
Ask the blind man, he saw it, too!
I'm feeling pretty secure I won;t have to shell out for any beers or wine ... UNLESS you actually CAN do better ????