Trump has spoken and believes the UK would be as safe as US citizens IF (126)
you all stop yapping,and do some research!
According to you Hoplophobes it is the Lawful Firearms-Owners who shoot up the Inner Cities like Chicago etc. daily!
It's them who commit all those Mass-shootings in Schools,Nightclubs and other Venues!
The Right to Selfdefense is a fundamental Right,which Europe and also the United Nations have nixed!
According to you Hoplophobes it is the Lawful Firearms-Owners who shoot up the Inner Cities like Chicago etc. daily!
It's them who commit all those Mass-shootings in Schools,Nightclubs and other Venues!
The Right to Selfdefense is a fundamental Right,which Europe and also the United Nations have nixed!
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This is about people that died by being shot.
If they are shot in a country with prohibitive gun laws or not doesn't change the fact that they died through a bullet.
On your example of pork - it still shows that more people eat pork in the States than in an Islamic country which does give a valid indication about how many people eat pork.
If they are shot in a country with prohibitive gun laws or not doesn't change the fact that they died through a bullet.
On your example of pork - it still shows that more people eat pork in the States than in an Islamic country which does give a valid indication about how many people eat pork.
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Conrad73: you all stop yapping,and do some research!
According to you Hoplophobes it is the Lawful Firearms-Owners who shoot up the Inner Cities like Chicago etc. daily!
It's them who commit all those Mass-shootings in Schools,Nightclubs and other Venues!
The Right to Selfdefense is a fundamental Right,which Europe and also the United Nations have nixed!
The right to Self Defence is a fundamental Human right ! According to you Hoplophobes it is the Lawful Firearms-Owners who shoot up the Inner Cities like Chicago etc. daily!
It's them who commit all those Mass-shootings in Schools,Nightclubs and other Venues!
The Right to Selfdefense is a fundamental Right,which Europe and also the United Nations have nixed!
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Conrad73: you all stop yapping,and do some research!
According to you Hoplophobes, it is the Lawful Firearms-Owners who shoot up the Inner Cities like Chicago etc. daily!
It's them who commit all those Mass-shootings in Schools,Nightclubs and other Venues!
The Right to Selfdefense is a fundamental Right,which Europe and also the United Nations have nixed!
Total baloney, According to you Hoplophobes, it is the Lawful Firearms-Owners who shoot up the Inner Cities like Chicago etc. daily!
It's them who commit all those Mass-shootings in Schools,Nightclubs and other Venues!
The Right to Selfdefense is a fundamental Right,which Europe and also the United Nations have nixed!
1) Not one person has suggested that a person with a legal gun license shoots up in Chicago, you can twist and lie as much as you like but none will override the truth.
Because there are so many people with guns. it makes it easy for those whom the law is trying to stop, to get possession of weapons, either by theft, or by buying illegally, if there were fewer guns then fewer would be available to the irresponsible.
2) Hoplophobe, American firearms expert and retired Marine colonel Jeff Cooper coined the word in 1962 to denigrate and anger proponents of gun control by implying that their thoughts were "aberrant" and unreasoning: Just as you are doing, belittling those who have an opposing opinion
3) "The Right to Selfdefense is a fundamental Right,which Europe and also the United Nations have nixed!" fake news Conrad, everone in the EU still has the right to defend themselves even if it causes death, as long as the intent was to stop the perpetrator with no more than sufficient violence.
"At common law the defence of self-defence operates in three spheres. It allows a person to use reasonable force to:
(a) Defend himself from an attack.
(b) Prevent an attack on another person, eg R v Rose (1884) 15 Cox 540, where the defendant who had shot dead his father whilst the latter was launching a murderous attack on the defendant's mother, was acquitted of murder on the grounds of self-defence.
(c) Defend his property."
For once maybe you can use actual true facts rather than twisted lies or bully tactics, but I guess you will resort to name calling again
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You really getting adept with accusing others of lying!
The Law can't stop Criminals from getting Weapons of any kind,regardless of what 'Fleischwurst' you are disseminating!
Those Crimes are done by People with Illegal Weapons!
You are talking about something you know very little of,as usual!
So,keep on ranting!
The Law can't stop Criminals from getting Weapons of any kind,regardless of what 'Fleischwurst' you are disseminating!
Those Crimes are done by People with Illegal Weapons!
You are talking about something you know very little of,as usual!
So,keep on ranting!
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Conrad73: You really getting adept with accusing others of lying!
The Law can't stop Criminals from getting Weapons of any kind,regardless of what 'Fleischwurst' you are disseminating!
Those Crimes are done by People with Illegal Weapons!
You are talking about something you know very little of,as usual!
So,keep on ranting!
you go shoot someone in Selfdefense with your Legal Firearm,in the UK,or the rest of Europe,and you will find out what your Right to to Selfdefense is worth here!The Law can't stop Criminals from getting Weapons of any kind,regardless of what 'Fleischwurst' you are disseminating!
Those Crimes are done by People with Illegal Weapons!
You are talking about something you know very little of,as usual!
So,keep on ranting!
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rizlared: Total baloney,
1) Not one person has suggested that a person with a legal gun license shoots up in Chicago, you can twist and lie as much as you like but none will override the truth.
Because there are so many people with guns. it makes it easy for those whom the law is trying to stop, to get possession of weapons, either by theft, or by buying illegally, if there were fewer guns then fewer would be available to the irresponsible.
2) Hoplophobe, American firearms expert and retired Marine colonel Jeff Cooper coined the word in 1962 to denigrate and anger proponents of gun control by implying that their thoughts were "aberrant" and unreasoning: Just as you are doing, belittling those who have an opposing opinion
3) "The Right to Selfdefense is a fundamental Right,which Europe and also the United Nations have nixed!" fake news Conrad, everone in the EU still has the right to defend themselves even if it causes death, as long as the intent was to stop the perpetrator with no more than sufficient violence.
"At common law the defence of self-defence operates in three spheres. It allows a person to use reasonable force to:
(a) Defend himself from an attack.
(b) Prevent an attack on another person, eg R v Rose (1884) 15 Cox 540, where the defendant who had shot dead his father whilst the latter was launching a murderous attack on the defendant's mother, was acquitted of murder on the grounds of self-defence.
(c) Defend his property."
For once maybe you can use actual true facts rather than twisted lies or bully tactics, but I guess you will resort to name calling again
nope,constant attacks on other people is your Domain,Riz!1) Not one person has suggested that a person with a legal gun license shoots up in Chicago, you can twist and lie as much as you like but none will override the truth.
Because there are so many people with guns. it makes it easy for those whom the law is trying to stop, to get possession of weapons, either by theft, or by buying illegally, if there were fewer guns then fewer would be available to the irresponsible.
2) Hoplophobe, American firearms expert and retired Marine colonel Jeff Cooper coined the word in 1962 to denigrate and anger proponents of gun control by implying that their thoughts were "aberrant" and unreasoning: Just as you are doing, belittling those who have an opposing opinion
3) "The Right to Selfdefense is a fundamental Right,which Europe and also the United Nations have nixed!" fake news Conrad, everone in the EU still has the right to defend themselves even if it causes death, as long as the intent was to stop the perpetrator with no more than sufficient violence.
"At common law the defence of self-defence operates in three spheres. It allows a person to use reasonable force to:
(a) Defend himself from an attack.
(b) Prevent an attack on another person, eg R v Rose (1884) 15 Cox 540, where the defendant who had shot dead his father whilst the latter was launching a murderous attack on the defendant's mother, was acquitted of murder on the grounds of self-defence.
(c) Defend his property."
For once maybe you can use actual true facts rather than twisted lies or bully tactics, but I guess you will resort to name calling again
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galrads: Trump has spoken and believes the UK cotizens would be as safe as US citizens IF the UK has US gun rights.
This makes sense to me. Are the UKs police the UK’s citizens body guards and there when you need them? Time for change for the better in the UK.
Stick to your own kind - Kanye West and Kim Jong-un because what makes sense to you will make sense to them. Seeing eye to eye with the least amongst us is something you can work with.This makes sense to me. Are the UKs police the UK’s citizens body guards and there when you need them? Time for change for the better in the UK.
The problem for you is dealing with good people and sound mental health. A man from a very dangerous society who thinks the website conspires against his threads does not make sense to lovely normal people.
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The "fake news" won't publicize it, but it is estimated that guns are used to prevent violent crimes (people protecting themselves,family, friends, and property, approximately 2 million times a year! If the Brits had the right to "self protection" and the right to keep and bare arms, the Mayor of London might not have to propose "knife control". Seeing as how their murder rate there is almost as high as NY city! Who would take a knife to a gun fight?
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rizlared: The acid crimes in the UK is indeed very new and bad, but then the UK being a civilised country, has already reduced that specific crime and also reduced knife crime. Maybe the USA can learn from its old parents rather than run around like delinquent teenage cowboys?
I'm going to have to call BS on that. Are you getting your figures from the late night comedians again? Every year the UK sets a new record for the number of acid attacks. UK has one of the highest rates of attacks per capita of any country in the world. There is now an average of about two attacks per day and increasing. I also don't see any evidence knife crime is on the decrease either. The UK is headed to becoming a full blown police state in a futile effort to stop escalating violence in a failed multicultural experiment. Efforts to increase lax laws and punishments are unlikely to do much to stem the problem. You're trying to treat the symptoms and without being about to recognize the disease.
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Rachie14: We're that afraid, that the majority still do not want guns. Wait, lets logically work this out. Acid is thrown in your face. How is a gun going to help you whilst your eyes are blinded and your skin is burning?
The majority on this thread based in the UK tell a very different story. Guns have one purpose. To kill, is that the designed purpose of acid?
What is the death rate in your capital? I mean London is the UK's capital it isn't a reflection of the whole country. I do believe there are many states that have a problem with guns. Along with the fact, as a country you are not proactive about reducing the deaths by gun crime. We are regarding knives.
Where is the logic in your statement comparing acid attacks to guns?
I never suggested a gun would stop an acid attack. My point is that taking guns away only leads to new weapons being used in attacks. Rizzy seems to think the US is a violent place and giving up our guns will lead to a decrease in violence. What I'm suggesting is that violence will find a way, be it guns, knives, acid, or vehicles. Also the article linked above states that acid attacks are spreading to the rural areas of the UK and not just a London problem anymore.The majority on this thread based in the UK tell a very different story. Guns have one purpose. To kill, is that the designed purpose of acid?
What is the death rate in your capital? I mean London is the UK's capital it isn't a reflection of the whole country. I do believe there are many states that have a problem with guns. Along with the fact, as a country you are not proactive about reducing the deaths by gun crime. We are regarding knives.
Where is the logic in your statement comparing acid attacks to guns?
And you're wrong about guns having on one purpose and that is to kill. In fact about the only way the average citizen can own them in Canada or Australia is for target shooting. No one or anything is being killed in target shooting, and in fact it is an Olympic sport. As hard as it may be for some to understand shooting guns is actually fun under the right circumstances.
And where I live probably at least half of the people in town own guns, and that number goes up to close to 90% in the rural parts of the county. But still with all these guns shootings are rare as is home invasion. But perhaps the UK is right to try and keep guns away from an increasingly uncivilized population.
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Miwagi: I never suggested a gun would stop an acid attack. My point is that taking guns away only leads to new weapons being used in attacks. Rizzy seems to think the US is a violent place and giving up our guns will lead to a decrease in violence. What I'm suggesting is that violence will find a way, be it guns, knives, acid, or vehicles. Also the article linked above states that acid attacks are spreading to the rural areas of the UK and not just a London problem anymore.
And you're wrong about guns having on one purpose and that is to kill. In fact about the only way the average citizen can own them in Canada or Australia is for target shooting. No one or anything is being killed in target shooting, and in fact it is an Olympic sport. As hard as it may be for some to understand shooting guns is actually fun under the right circumstances.
And where I live probably at least half of the people in town own guns, and that number goes up to close to 90% in the rural parts of the county. But still with all these guns shootings are rare as is home invasion. But perhaps the UK is right to try and keep guns away from an increasingly uncivilized population.
The problem is you brought in acid attacks. What advantage do guns bring to us other than more violence, more deaths? And you're wrong about guns having on one purpose and that is to kill. In fact about the only way the average citizen can own them in Canada or Australia is for target shooting. No one or anything is being killed in target shooting, and in fact it is an Olympic sport. As hard as it may be for some to understand shooting guns is actually fun under the right circumstances.
And where I live probably at least half of the people in town own guns, and that number goes up to close to 90% in the rural parts of the county. But still with all these guns shootings are rare as is home invasion. But perhaps the UK is right to try and keep guns away from an increasingly uncivilized population.
You don't even have a reasonable force clause with guns. We don't have guns, guns to me are not a sport but a weapon. I can shoot, I learned to do this. But I would not and do not see guns in the UK helping anything.
The mass shootings and the deaths of so many innocent people over there tells me they don't decrease anything. Even on home invasions chances are you are both carrying. It is possible for acid attacks to happen over there as well.
So I must be missing your point.
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Rachie14: The problem is you brought in acid attacks. What advantage do guns bring to us other than more violence, more deaths?
You don't even have a reasonable force clause with guns. We don't have guns, guns to me are not a sport but a weapon. I can shoot, I learned to do this. But I would not and do not see guns in the UK helping anything.
The mass shootings and the deaths of so many innocent people over there tells me they don't decrease anything. Even on home invasions chances are you are both carrying. It is possible for acid attacks to happen over there as well.
So I must be missing your point.
You are missing more than POTUS Trumps point too.You don't even have a reasonable force clause with guns. We don't have guns, guns to me are not a sport but a weapon. I can shoot, I learned to do this. But I would not and do not see guns in the UK helping anything.
The mass shootings and the deaths of so many innocent people over there tells me they don't decrease anything. Even on home invasions chances are you are both carrying. It is possible for acid attacks to happen over there as well.
So I must be missing your point.
Freedom is more important than living in a police state and being sheeple. This is one of Trumps finer points about the UK.
You exaggerate deaths in the USA by guns. Any killing is terrible. Regardless, though, If someone has it out for me and wants to kill me, I’d prefer they use a gun... not acid or a knife.
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galrads: You are missing more than POTUS Trumps point too.
Freedom is more important than living in a police state and being sheeple. This is one of Trumps finer points about the UK.
You exaggerate deaths in the USA by guns. Any killing is terrible. Regardless, though, If someone has it out for me and wants to kill me, I’d prefer they use a gun... not acid or a knife.
Show me where I posted statics or exaggerated deaths from mass shootings? You won't find it.Freedom is more important than living in a police state and being sheeple. This is one of Trumps finer points about the UK.
You exaggerate deaths in the USA by guns. Any killing is terrible. Regardless, though, If someone has it out for me and wants to kill me, I’d prefer they use a gun... not acid or a knife.
You are all for freedom of speech, unless it is someone with a totally different view than your own.
Yesterday you implied I and a few others were trolls simply because we do not agree with you.
I am still waiting for an explanation to "Police state" I also asked you how many times you had stepped out of the U.S. I can base my opinions on the fact I have been there several times and other countries. I am still waiting for your response.
I have yet to find on your post people from the UK agreeing guns are a good idea.
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Rachie14: Show me where I posted statics or exaggerated deaths from mass shootings? You won't find it.
You are all for freedom of speech, unless it is someone with a totally different view than your own.
Yesterday you implied I and a few others were trolls simply because we do not agree with you.
I am still waiting for an explanation to "Police state" I also asked you how many times you had stepped out of the U.S. I can base my opinions on the fact I have been there several times and other countries. I am still waiting for your response.
I have yet to find on your post people from the UK agreeing guns are a good idea.
See... you’re doing your troll act agai. Instead of talking about the thread topic you primarily attack people who don’t have your view point.You are all for freedom of speech, unless it is someone with a totally different view than your own.
Yesterday you implied I and a few others were trolls simply because we do not agree with you.
I am still waiting for an explanation to "Police state" I also asked you how many times you had stepped out of the U.S. I can base my opinions on the fact I have been there several times and other countries. I am still waiting for your response.
I have yet to find on your post people from the UK agreeing guns are a good idea.
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galrads: See... you’re doing your troll act agai. Instead of talking about the thread topic you primarily attack people who don’t have your view point.
I asked to to clarify twice now. Would you like me to ignore you in your own thread?How are we a police state in the UK? You keep making that statement.
How many times have YOU stepped out of the U.S or experienced the UK?
That is the last time I will ask. You ignore it. I will go with that you are indeed a troll and are ignorant to other countries. Ok?
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Rachie14: Urm we're going to disagree here. Because the intent of the choice of weapon is not the same. There has only ever being one intent for guns. That is to kill, be it human or an animal. Guns are controlled in the UK.
So ideology does not factor. Intent does. It is a given any person can change the intent of certain items. But, guns have only really ever had one intent. To kill.
I am waiting for the discussion that it is used as a source of food. Hunting that is. A very outdated concept considering that often have I seen where people have being penalised for attempting to live off the grid. That is not just soley connected to guns being a food source, but their own water, land and power. Taking mind now a lot of people don't hunt for food, but in sportmanship.
There isn't anything to disagree with. The ideology is that fire arms are a problem. There isn't enough here to represent the U.K. on any of it. Other ways to hurt people move in to fill the void and actually take more lives in the long run. Some even become more traumatic.So ideology does not factor. Intent does. It is a given any person can change the intent of certain items. But, guns have only really ever had one intent. To kill.
I am waiting for the discussion that it is used as a source of food. Hunting that is. A very outdated concept considering that often have I seen where people have being penalised for attempting to live off the grid. That is not just soley connected to guns being a food source, but their own water, land and power. Taking mind now a lot of people don't hunt for food, but in sportmanship.
Gun powder was discovered. It has been developed and used. Only people can put things to bad use. The ideology is that people want to take other people's rights away for the actions of a few. Knives and other methods of higher death rates and/or harm to others will continue to go untouched.
The hunting narative is your concept of a useless argument. Millions of people just like fire arms. They have many uses. Protection is the highest of them all these days. More so because many others think making more victims is better than being able to take a stand and defend.
The U.S. fight for independence wasn't because of our freedoms. They wanted to take our guns then they could have better controlled our freedom. An continue to tax it how ever they saw fit by what ever means they wanted.
People that want to give and take rights away from others. do it for yourselves on a personal level. Leave the rest alone to make their own choices.
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Rachie14: I asked to to clarify twice now. Would you like me to ignore you in your own thread?
How are we a police state in the UK? You keep making that statement.
How many times have YOU stepped out of the U.S or experienced the UK?
That is the last time I will ask. You ignore it. I will go with that you are indeed a troll and are ignorant to other countries. Ok?
Regarding your troll skills... read the forum rulesHow are we a police state in the UK? You keep making that statement.
How many times have YOU stepped out of the U.S or experienced the UK?
That is the last time I will ask. You ignore it. I will go with that you are indeed a troll and are ignorant to other countries. Ok?
Regarding the UK being a police state ... look that up too. And if the police job is to protect you, can you sue them if they don’t ... yet they can stop you if they suspect you have a “weapon” like a scissors.... you live in a police state
Regarding visiting the UK... it’s in my to do list
Have traveled outside the US. Yes and I have dual citizenship with Italy. And yes I vote in italy’s Elections and dome of the rediculous EU issues.
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Draegoneer: There isn't anything to disagree with. The ideology is that fire arms are a problem. There isn't enough here to represent the U.K. on any of it. Other ways to hurt people move in to fill the void and actually take more lives in the long run. Some even become more traumatic.
Gun powder was discovered. It has been developed and used. Only people can put things to bad use. The ideology is that people want to take other people's rights away for the actions of a few. Knives and other methods of higher death rates and/or harm to others will continue to go untouched.
The hunting narative is your concept of a useless argument. Millions of people just like fire arms. They have many uses. Protection is the highest of them all these days. More so because many others think making more victims is better than being able to take a stand and defend.
The U.S. fight for independence wasn't because of our freedoms. They wanted to take our guns then they could have better controlled our freedom. An continue to tax it how ever they saw fit by what ever means they wanted.
People that want to give and take rights away from others. do it for yourselves on a personal level. Leave the rest alone to make their own choices.
Like I said, choice and intent. The UK makes the choice not to use a weapon that has only one purpose. To kill. Gun powder was discovered. It has been developed and used. Only people can put things to bad use. The ideology is that people want to take other people's rights away for the actions of a few. Knives and other methods of higher death rates and/or harm to others will continue to go untouched.
The hunting narative is your concept of a useless argument. Millions of people just like fire arms. They have many uses. Protection is the highest of them all these days. More so because many others think making more victims is better than being able to take a stand and defend.
The U.S. fight for independence wasn't because of our freedoms. They wanted to take our guns then they could have better controlled our freedom. An continue to tax it how ever they saw fit by what ever means they wanted.
People that want to give and take rights away from others. do it for yourselves on a personal level. Leave the rest alone to make their own choices.
We have others who choose to make other objects as weapons. This is not just the UK though.
What freedom do you think you have that we do not? I am listening. Politics is vastly controlled over there by money. It is here too, but the NRA has no influence on us. They certainly do on politics over there. Knife manufacturers have no control here. We have laws on those as well. We often do public drives to ask people to turn in certain types.
What exactly are you doing to make your country a safer, better place? Lets be real here. You don't want to do anything to change the impacts of innocent people being killed. Are you all at war with each other? We live in a socialist society. That means we think beyond just ourselves. That isn't what you do. You do survival of the fittest and everyone else well, not your problem.
I get it, some of you think we're weak because we don't have guns. Most of us here are civilised. I don't feel that my rights are infringed. Am I entitled to defend my family and home? Yes, but with reasonable force. Because we're about being reasonable. Having a gun is premediated anyway. From where I stand you are afraid of your own. Let alone other countries.
Upon closing. Guns are not toys. Do I have a problem with people who have mentality that they are. Yes. Same as I do with people who think they belong in society.
We're not a police state. We do not have enough police in our country. We have laws, just like you do. But we still do not feel the need to have guns. Psst several people have commented from the UK. More than those from the U.S.
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But the application of the statistic to gun control in a country that allows versus a country that prohibits guns is not valid.
It’s like comparing the number of people who eat pork and then using it to compare America to an Islamic country.