Trump has spoken and believes the UK would be as safe as US citizens IF (126)
epirb: Guess the people of London need to "communicate" as they share the same level per 100000 of violent deaths as the population of Afghanistan . Murder rate has climbed 38% in London in a few short years , guess you knew that aye .
You are one of those people I was talking about in my post.About knowing how to talk to other people. Perhaps when you do. I will have that conversation.
Try all cities, towns etc.
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epirb: ye yes , bound to be a regular authority on voting that paper , a real go to for information on democracy , did the same paper cover your now leader becoming a communist dictator ? or did the skip that bit ? That aside I did find chinese commy papers coverage of the US 2016 presidential election more accurate than the Washington Post ,CNN .
Here you gonot a Chinese source but OHIO.
Just about all media in China talked about Xi's claim to lifelong leadership, some positive quite a lot with reservations. Time will tell if he made a sensible choice, but there is a strong undertow of suspicion by the common people and that is now bothering the central government, he may be forced to change his mind but impossible to know if or when.
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rizlared: Here you go
not a Chinese source but OHIO.
Just about all media in China talked about Xi's claim to lifelong leadership, some positive quite a lot with reservations. Time will tell if he made a sensible choice, but there is a strong undertow of suspicion by the common people and that is now bothering the central government, he may be forced to change his mind but impossible to know if or when.
All those area's are Clinton one's , sour grapes at this point . I was a little surprised to see a picture I have used and my name on the following forums not a Chinese source but OHIO.
Just about all media in China talked about Xi's claim to lifelong leadership, some positive quite a lot with reservations. Time will tell if he made a sensible choice, but there is a strong undertow of suspicion by the common people and that is now bothering the central government, he may be forced to change his mind but impossible to know if or when.
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epirb: Guess the people of London need to "communicate" as they share the same level per 100000 of violent deaths as the population of Afghanistan . Murder rate has climbed 38% in London in a few short years , guess you knew that aye .
Comparing London to Afganistan is hardly credible, Yes the level of violent crimes in CERTAIN areas of CERTAIN cities has indeed increased, unlike CERTAIN countries, the UK government are looking into ways to control and rectify these horrendous murders, unlike those same countries, the UK government is not being controlled by gun supporting agencies or any other powerful lobbies, that run certain countries.You also need to understand the rules governing how statistics are made up seeing as the UK statistic for deaths also include infanticide, suicide and accidental deaths, the crime level in London is comparative to those in New York, a city with a similar population.
It is indeed very sad that London has now the same crime rate as New York, but the outcome will be that the UK will find a solution whereas, regarding New York, little is being done to reduce the number of murders each month. it is just accepted.
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rizlared: Comparing London to Afganistan is hardly credible, Yes the level of violent crimes in CERTAIN areas of CERTAIN cities has indeed increased, unlike CERTAIN countries, the UK government are looking into ways to control and rectify these horrendous murders, unlike those same countries, the UK government is not being controlled by gun supporting agencies or any other powerful lobbies, that run certain countries.
You also need to understand the rules governing how statistics are made up seeing as the UK statistic for deaths also include infanticide, suicide and accidental deaths, the crime level in London is comparative to those in New York, a city with a similar population.
It is indeed very sad that London has now the same crime rate as New York, but the outcome will be that the UK will find a solution whereas, regarding New York, little is being done to reduce the number of murders each month. it is just accepted.
Thank you! You also need to understand the rules governing how statistics are made up seeing as the UK statistic for deaths also include infanticide, suicide and accidental deaths, the crime level in London is comparative to those in New York, a city with a similar population.
It is indeed very sad that London has now the same crime rate as New York, but the outcome will be that the UK will find a solution whereas, regarding New York, little is being done to reduce the number of murders each month. it is just accepted.
You have more tolerance than I do.
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rizlared: Comparing London to Afganistan is hardly credible, Yes the level of violent crimes in CERTAIN areas of CERTAIN cities has indeed increased, unlike CERTAIN countries, the UK government are looking into ways to control and rectify these horrendous murders, unlike those same countries, the UK government is not being controlled by gun supporting agencies or any other powerful lobbies, that run certain countries.
You also need to understand the rules governing how statistics are made up seeing as the UK statistic for deaths also include infanticide, suicide and accidental deaths, the crime level in London is comparative to those in New York, a city with a similar population.
It is indeed very sad that London has now the same crime rate as New York, but the outcome will be that the UK will find a solution whereas, regarding New York, little is being done to reduce the number of murders each month. it is just accepted.
I spent a lot of time on it . I suspected that the Afghans would have a high rate over all , its half of Chicago , and a fraction of St Louis at 26 per 100000 . Apart from half a dozen US cites US rates are much the same as London , the difference US is not getting worse but London is .Comparing a city to a country wide rate probably is not a correct thing to do just like comparing all the US to a small number of violent cites ironically where gun laws are strict . liberalising gun laws in the half dozen US cities or London won't be dropping any murder rates .You also need to understand the rules governing how statistics are made up seeing as the UK statistic for deaths also include infanticide, suicide and accidental deaths, the crime level in London is comparative to those in New York, a city with a similar population.
It is indeed very sad that London has now the same crime rate as New York, but the outcome will be that the UK will find a solution whereas, regarding New York, little is being done to reduce the number of murders each month. it is just accepted.
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Rachie14: Thank you!
You have more tolerance than I do.
maybe , you need to pull your head out from the sandYou have more tolerance than I do.
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epirb: maybe , you need to pull your head out from the sand
Like I said when you talk in a civilised manner. Maybe then we'll talk. Until then know I perceive you as obtuse and disrespectful. Glad we had this conversation.
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Rachie14: You need your mouth washed out with soap. I call it even.
Forgive him...lol...he lives on a farm far away from actual people...
A little Woody Allen humour...
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loulou77: Forgive him...lol...he lives on a farm far away from actual people...
A little Woody Allen humour...
A little Woody Allen humour...
Just letting him know standards 
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Rachie14: Just letting him know standards
Right...well said...
Hey is a bit of a Trumpster...lol...
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loulou77: Right...well said...
Hey is a bit of a Trumpster...lol...
Oh no, not another one Hey is a bit of a Trumpster...lol...
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Rachie14: Oh no, not another one
Lots of old men ideology here...dating back decades...fear of communism...the red scare...the McCarthy era...Our only saving grace is that those dinasaurs willl be dead or the young will be inspired to take over....fresh ideas and an end to backward views...
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Kaylana04: Hi all,
Just a quick return to the application of ratios to this topic (or any therein...).
A ratio can be easily formed - a mathematical comparison of two unrelated items. (Ex. Miles and time= speed)
Often people are emotionally swayed by numbers due to the quick conclusion we draw.
However, application is much more tricky.
When the top variable affects the bottom, the ratio is declared useless because of regression.
In this case, deaths affects population number. As deaths increase, the population decreases.
“In each situation, we want to control for differences in the denominator when the thing we really care about is the numerator. But there is peril lurking in a ratio: only if the relationship between numerator and denominator is a straight line through the origin will the ratio be meaningful. If not, the ratio will misrepresent the true relationship between numerator and denominator. In contrast, regression techniques–these include analysis of covariance–are versatile: they can accommodate an analysis of the relationship between numerator and denominator when a ratio is useless.“
Source: “Explorations in statistics: the analysis of ratios and normalized data”
In Logic, we must not use emotion to override our cognitive ability.
And the use of simple statistics is not sensible either.
All those using statistics in order to sway opinion on this topic need to be reminded that it is not an acceptable application. Just a quick return to the application of ratios to this topic (or any therein...).
A ratio can be easily formed - a mathematical comparison of two unrelated items. (Ex. Miles and time= speed)
Often people are emotionally swayed by numbers due to the quick conclusion we draw.
However, application is much more tricky.
When the top variable affects the bottom, the ratio is declared useless because of regression.
In this case, deaths affects population number. As deaths increase, the population decreases.
“In each situation, we want to control for differences in the denominator when the thing we really care about is the numerator. But there is peril lurking in a ratio: only if the relationship between numerator and denominator is a straight line through the origin will the ratio be meaningful. If not, the ratio will misrepresent the true relationship between numerator and denominator. In contrast, regression techniques–these include analysis of covariance–are versatile: they can accommodate an analysis of the relationship between numerator and denominator when a ratio is useless.“
Source: “Explorations in statistics: the analysis of ratios and normalized data”
In Logic, we must not use emotion to override our cognitive ability.
And the use of simple statistics is not sensible either.
Any “rate of death due to firearms per 100,000” is merely a snapshot of that instant. The numbers are in constant fluctuation due to the number of deaths affecting the population number.
These rates cannot be used for comparisons.
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epirb: I spent a lot of time on it . I suspected that the Afghans would have a high rate over all , its half of Chicago , and a fraction of St Louis at 26 per 100000 . Apart from half a dozen US cites US rates are much the same as London , the difference US is not getting worse but London is .Comparing a city to a country wide rate probably is not a correct thing to do just like comparing all the US to a small number of violent cites ironically where gun laws are strict . liberalising gun laws in the half dozen US cities or London won't be dropping any murder rates .
I've never seen a battle in picture or film and thought to myself I wish those two sides were more heavily-armed.I don't think the issues here have anything to do with gun regulation. The great recesssion, the lost decade, austerity, brexit uncertainty and knowing nothing but neoliberalism has made life very ruthless and competitive in the younger generation. Add this to the dangerous unstable chemical of diversity and what you have is a powderkeg.
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loulou77: Lots of old men ideology here...dating back decades...fear of communism...the red scare...the McCarthy era...
Our only saving grace is that those dinasaurs willl be dead or the young will be inspired to take over....fresh ideas and an end to backward views...
You know what I find that these people have in common with Trump. How they talk to people. Our only saving grace is that those dinasaurs willl be dead or the young will be inspired to take over....fresh ideas and an end to backward views...
You see if they have the same ideology of decades ago. Why they don't apply the way they address people like most did decades ago? Respectfully. Kinda like having a double standard. Then they wonder why someone like me can't be bothered to talk about what they would like to talk about. Why would anyone want to talk to others when they are not civil?
My concern is that they are teaching this and the next generation it's acceptable. There is freedom of speech, but it appears they haven't grasped that with freedom of speech comes responsibility. How they treat people is also a reflection of the person they are. Be it online or offline.
This no filter BS has gone too far.
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rizlared: Allow me to correct some misplaced ideology.
The UK government is completing Brexit, the EU government is doing all it can to hinder/destroy that exit plan. So no second vote is required!!
The people in the UK have a very strong tool to use when they disagree with the seated government, it is called an election, we don't need guns to elect a different leader or government.
the UK is a democratic country and unlike the USA each individual vote is counted towards a final outcome. Interesting I read today in a Chinese paper that certain parts of America are now reassessing the role of the electoral College overruling the popular vote, so maybe by the time the next USA election occurs a new and fairer system will be in place.
You're fond of BBC. Read a little closer. The negotiations are still trying to keep an economic hold and little more control.The UK government is completing Brexit, the EU government is doing all it can to hinder/destroy that exit plan. So no second vote is required!!
The people in the UK have a very strong tool to use when they disagree with the seated government, it is called an election, we don't need guns to elect a different leader or government.
the UK is a democratic country and unlike the USA each individual vote is counted towards a final outcome. Interesting I read today in a Chinese paper that certain parts of America are now reassessing the role of the electoral College overruling the popular vote, so maybe by the time the next USA election occurs a new and fairer system will be in place.
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Draegoneer: You're fond of BBC. Read a little closer. The negotiations are still trying to keep an economic hold and little more control.
One other thing Riz. The whole idea of the being democratic is that certain areas or groups can't dictate for the majority. Otherwise, a few states would matter only. Our system is very democratic to make sure that all states can be counted.
Too bad it only seems to work in favor of the U.S. about once every 25 years or so.
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I didn't post stats on my country or yours. You ASSume I am unaware of it. So like most, you throw it back. I have not once justified my own countries issues. Unlike people like you who go it's our right. It's your fellow country mens right to live as well but you won't address the FACT gun violence is a massive contribution to your death rate over there.
You and others need to learn how to communicate with people from other countries. Instead of being so damn disrespectful.
This is one of the many reasons I do not like Trump. He does not lead by example and then people like you feel it's ok to be disrespectful to others in how you approach them.
The OP clearly has issues with people from the UK. Which is why he made the thread. You like many jump on it and instead of holding a civilised conversation. Feel it is ok to preach to me, an English person about my own damn country. When I have engaged you and the OP directly, asked you questions you have projected and refused to answer them. Shame on you!
I told you I do not respect you or people like you because of how YOU choose to behave. I stand by my comment previously made. That a lot of you could start wars with your mouths.