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May 11, 2018 5:30 PM CST Never forgive a traitor, she really was a traitor, "Hanoi Jane"
britishcolumbian
britishcolumbianbritishcolumbianunknown, British Columbia Canada153 Threads 894 Posts
Never Forgive A Traitor

For those of you too young to remember Hanoi Jane is a bad person and did some terrible things during the Vietnam war. Things that can not be forgiven!!!!

For those who served and/or died. . .

NEVER FORGIVE A TRAITOR. SHE REALLY WAS A TRAITOR!!

And now OBAMA wants to honor her……!!!!



In Memory of LT. C.Thomsen Wieland who spent 100 days at the Hanoi Hilt

This is for all the kids born in the 70’s and after who do not remember, and didn’t have to bear the burden that our fathers, mothers and older brothers and sisters had to bear..

Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the ‘100 Women of the Century.’BARBRA WALTERS Write's

The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot. The pilot’s name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat.

In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison the ‘ Hanoi Hilton.’

Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ’s, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American ‘Peace Activist’ the ‘lenient and humane treatment’ he’d received.

He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and was dragged away. During the subsequent beating, he fell forward
on to the camp Commandant ‘s feet, which sent that officer berserk.

In 1978, the Air Force Colonel still suffered from double vision (which permanently ended his flying career) from the Commandant’s frenzied application of a wooden baton.

From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4E’s). He spent 6 years in the ‘Hanoi Hilton’,,, the first three of which his family only knew he was ‘missing in action’. His wife lived on faith that he was still alive. His group, too, got the cleaned-up, fed and clothed routine in preparation for a ‘peace delegation’ visit.

They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that they were alive and still survived. Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his Social Security Number on it , in the palm of his hand.

When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man’s hand and asking little encouraging snippets like: ‘Aren’t you sorry you bombed babies?’ and ‘Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?’ Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper.

She took them all without missing a beat.. At the end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge and handed him all the little pieces of paper..

Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Colonel Carrigan was almost number four but he survived, which is the only reason we know of her actions that day.

I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam , and was captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held prisoner for over 5 years.

I spent 27 months in solitary confinement; one year in a cage in Cambodia ; and one year in a ‘black box’ in Hanoi My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot , South Vietnam , whom I buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border. At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs. (My normal weight is 170 lbs)

We were Jane Fonda’s ‘war criminals…’

When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi , I was asked by the camp communist political officer if I would be willing to meet with her..

I said yes, for I wanted to tell her about the real treatment we POWs received… and how different it was from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by her as ‘humane and lenient.’

Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees, with my arms outstretched with a large steel weights placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane.

I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda soon after I was released. I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV. She never did answer me.
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May 11, 2018 6:18 PM CST Never forgive a traitor, she really was a traitor, "Hanoi Jane"
britishcolumbian
britishcolumbianbritishcolumbianunknown, British Columbia Canada153 Threads 894 Posts
Obama wanting tio honour her? What is the matter with some people............
I saw what she did on the TV and was so shocked unbelieveable .
How dare she even shows her face anywhere, wave
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May 11, 2018 7:12 PM CST Never forgive a traitor, she really was a traitor, "Hanoi Jane"
rizlared
rizlaredrizlaredNot in Cebu City, Central Visayas Philippines89 Threads 2 Polls 5,588 Posts
What Jane Fonda did as a naive 20 year old was without doubt stupid and ill advised, but this story has been hugely embellished and includes lies.
"An e-mail titled “Never Forgive a Traitor” says that President Barack Obama will be honoring Jane Fonda as one of the Women of the Century. Is this true?

The claim about Obama in this chain e-mail is false.

In actuality, Fonda was one of many women featured in a Barbara Walters special for ABC News called “A Celebration: 100 Years of Great Women,” according to Factcheck.org, a nonpartisan fact-finding project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania. The special, which aired on April 30, 1999, looked at the “most inspiring, intriguing and entertaining” women of the 20th century and was based on a list of the “100 Most Important Women of the 20th Century” selected by a panel for the Ladies Home Journal magazine, FactCheck.org reports.

Right after the Walters special aired, versions of the chain e-mail started appearing. In the most recent versions, the Obama references have been added. The e-mails also contain inaccuracies about Fonda.

What is true: The actress/fitness guru/activist did travel to Hanoi, North Vietnam, in 1972 to protest the Vietnam War.

She broadcast on Radio Hanoi, criticizing American military and political leaders, according to numerous media accounts. She said it was “laughable” that U.S. soldiers were tortured and called them “war criminals.” Photographers captured her smiling and applauding North Vietnamese soldiers at an anti-aircraft gun site. She was thereafter known by war veterans and others as “Hanoi Jane.”

Media accounts do report that some American soldiers did suffer as a result of Fonda’s visit. But as FactCheck.org and Snopes.com report, specific mentions in the e-mail were debunked years ago by the very people supposedly involved.

It isn’t true, FactCheck.org reports, that former Vietnam POW Jerry Driscoll suffered career-ending double vision from a beating said to be imposed by his North Vietnamese captors after Fonda visited.

Driscoll has said that he never met Fonda and he has denied for years that the beating scenario ever happened.

“Totally false. It did not happen,” Driscoll told the Star Tribune of Minneapolis in a May 25, 2005 article.

Driscoll has negative feelings about Fonda, but he wasn’t beaten because of her and can see just fine. He flies corporate jets now, after retiring as a pilot from the Air Force and American Airlines, the story said.

Another inaccuracy is that Fonda gave North Vietnamese guards pieces of paper - some with Social Security numbers - slipped to her from American POWs and that resulted in the beating of former POW Larry Carrigan and the beating deaths of three others.

Carrigan has been quoted in media reports: “It’s a figment of somebody’s imagination.”

Mike McGrath, a former POW and director and historian of the Nam-POWs, also disclaimed the story, saying “I have spoken to all the parties named ... They all state that this particular Internet story is a hoax and they wish to disassociate their names from the false story.”
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May 11, 2018 7:29 PM CST Never forgive a traitor, she really was a traitor, "Hanoi Jane"
rizlared
rizlaredrizlaredNot in Cebu City, Central Visayas Philippines89 Threads 2 Polls 5,588 Posts
Miwagi: Here is two of the biggest traitors of the Vietnam war.
If that is true why are they not in prison?
Could it possibly be that protesting against an unjust war is NOT a traitorous actdunno
I think Fonda tried to stop what she thought was wrong, her naivety and lack of knowledge led her down the wrong path, and she did more harm than good.
The way many soldiers, returning from Vietnam, were treated by American citizens was, in my opinion, far worse than some young actress trying to stop a war.
Simply put, the Vietnam conflict should never have happened. To accuse those who tried to stop it as Traitors is somewhat misplaced, IMO.
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May 11, 2018 7:32 PM CST Never forgive a traitor, she really was a traitor, "Hanoi Jane"
Miwagi
MiwagiMiwagiFlyover, Kentucky USA47 Threads 2 Polls 1,753 Posts
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May 11, 2018 7:33 PM CST Never forgive a traitor, she really was a traitor, "Hanoi Jane"
Miwagi
MiwagiMiwagiFlyover, Kentucky USA47 Threads 2 Polls 1,753 Posts
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May 11, 2018 7:49 PM CST Never forgive a traitor, she really was a traitor, "Hanoi Jane"
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
Miwagi: Here is two of the biggest traitors of the Vietnam war.
Yep
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May 11, 2018 7:56 PM CST Never forgive a traitor, she really was a traitor, "Hanoi Jane"
epirb
epirbepirbDannevirke, Hawke's Bay New Zealand32 Threads 2 Polls 7,379 Posts
rizlared: If that is true why are they not in prison?
Could it possibly be that protesting against an unjust war is NOT a traitorous act
I think Fonda tried to stop what she thought was wrong, her naivety and lack of knowledge led her down the wrong path, and she did more harm than good.
The way many soldiers, returning from Vietnam, were treated by American citizens was, in my opinion, far worse than some young actress trying to stop a war.
Simply put, the Vietnam conflict should never have happened. To accuse those who tried to stop it as Traitors is somewhat misplaced, IMO.
McCain is in congress so they carry on ,Nixon or Ford were generous . Why would service men use their social security number instead of their regimental number , make no sense and more likely fiction .
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May 12, 2018 3:30 AM CST Never forgive a traitor, she really was a traitor, "Hanoi Jane"
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May 12, 2018 4:04 AM CST Never forgive a traitor, she really was a traitor, "Hanoi Jane"
epirb
epirbepirbDannevirke, Hawke's Bay New Zealand32 Threads 2 Polls 7,379 Posts
Miwagi: Here is two of the biggest traitors of the Vietnam war.
theres a photo floating around ,Kerry was in the same highschool class as Mueller
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May 12, 2018 5:29 AM CST Never forgive a traitor, she really was a traitor, "Hanoi Jane"
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
The story of Enemy # 1 passing on notes from American POWs to North Vietnam is false. Regardless, her own pappy was more than disappointed over what she did while in North Vietnam.
She will always be Enemy # 1, not Ho, for Vietnam Era Vets.

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May 12, 2018 6:47 AM CST Never forgive a traitor, she really was a traitor, "Hanoi Jane"
Miwagi
MiwagiMiwagiFlyover, Kentucky USA47 Threads 2 Polls 1,753 Posts
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May 12, 2018 6:57 AM CST Never forgive a traitor, she really was a traitor, "Hanoi Jane"
Miwagi
MiwagiMiwagiFlyover, Kentucky USA47 Threads 2 Polls 1,753 Posts
epirb: theres a photo floating around ,Kerry was in the same highschool class as Mueller
Is this it?
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May 12, 2018 7:06 AM CST Never forgive a traitor, she really was a traitor, "Hanoi Jane"
rainbowdream2017
rainbowdream2017rainbowdream2017Melbourne, Victoria Australia13 Threads 1 Polls 2,486 Posts
rizlared: If that is true why are they not in prison?
Could it possibly be that protesting against an unjust war is NOT a traitorous act
I think Fonda tried to stop what she thought was wrong, her naivety and lack of knowledge led her down the wrong path, and she did more harm than good.
The way many soldiers, returning from Vietnam, were treated by American citizens was, in my opinion, far worse than some young actress trying to stop a war.
Simply put, the Vietnam conflict should never have happened. To accuse those who tried to stop it as Traitors is somewhat misplaced, IMO.
Traying to stop a war and unecesery loss of American life's may be a noble motive but being so excitedly friendly and laughing with Vietnam communist military - does make her look like a traitor of her countryman suffering... sad flower
What she could possible find so funny to laugh about? confused
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May 12, 2018 7:26 AM CST Never forgive a traitor, she really was a traitor, "Hanoi Jane"
Miwagi
MiwagiMiwagiFlyover, Kentucky USA47 Threads 2 Polls 1,753 Posts
As the American POWs returned home in 1973, they spoke out about the inhumane treatment and torture they had suffered as prisoners of war. Their stories directly contradicted Jane Fonda's earlier statements of 1972. Some of the American POWs such as Senator John McCain, a former Presidential candidate, stated that he was tortured by his guards for refusing to meet with Jane Fonda and her group. Jane Fonda, in her response to these new allegations, referred to our returning POWs as being "hypocrites and liars."
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May 12, 2018 8:19 AM CST Never forgive a traitor, she really was a traitor, "Hanoi Jane"
Elegsabiff
ElegsabiffElegsabiffMotril-ish, Andalusia Spain24 Threads 20 Polls 695 Posts
britishcolumbian: Obama wanting tio honour her? What is the matter with some people............
I saw what she did on the TV and was so shocked unbelieveable .
How dare she even shows her face anywhere,
This is fake news, Jenny, I posted on your blog.
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May 12, 2018 8:33 AM CST Never forgive a traitor, she really was a traitor, "Hanoi Jane"
Miwagi
MiwagiMiwagiFlyover, Kentucky USA47 Threads 2 Polls 1,753 Posts
Elegsabiff: This is FAKE NEWS jeez no wonder it spreads so fast. Rumour can get round the world twice before the truth has its boots on.
Please site your source that this fake news. Gal was talking about Jane speaking at UM. The has been reported a lot of different places.

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May 12, 2018 11:11 AM CST Never forgive a traitor, she really was a traitor, "Hanoi Jane"
britishcolumbian
britishcolumbianbritishcolumbianunknown, British Columbia Canada153 Threads 894 Posts
Thank you all for your contributiones, a lot of things I did not know, like Jane wanted and wished for communism to become true in the US Hello?

How the story about the prisoners slipping her their Social Security numbers and Jane handing them over, is found to be not true, is to me, puzzling , why did this circulate?
She was found guilty of many other things so no matter what she was and is, a traitor thumbs down
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May 12, 2018 11:31 AM CST Never forgive a traitor, she really was a traitor, "Hanoi Jane"
britishcolumbian
britishcolumbianbritishcolumbianunknown, British Columbia Canada153 Threads 894 Posts
Biff, did you read this?
Never mind if the one story about the prisoners handing over slips of paper is not true
a lot of other things are.................she is a traitor

did you read this? Never mind if the one story about the prisoners handing over slips of paper is not true
a lot of other things are.................she is a traitor
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May 12, 2018 12:45 PM CST Never forgive a traitor, she really was a traitor, "Hanoi Jane"
Miwagi
MiwagiMiwagiFlyover, Kentucky USA47 Threads 2 Polls 1,753 Posts
britishcolumbian: Biff, did you read this?
Never mind if the one story about the prisoners handing over slips of paper is not true
a lot of other things are.................she is a traitor

Biff, did you read this? Never mind if the one story about the prisoners handing over slips of paper is not true
a lot of other things are.................she is a traitor
Fixed the link for you. Biff got put into it. It needed a space.
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