Mild to moderate depression..... (61)
online now!online now!VierkaesehochOcean Coast, Maine USA55 Threads 223 PostsMedication and therapy, as per all the books. But just somehow overcoming the sort of inertia that keeps us in bed, much of the day. The first few minutes seem like asking us for super human effort----but once you start, inertia soon becomes momentum. Just saw it again today. V-Aa.
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Vierkaesehoch: Medication and therapy, as per all the books. But just somehow overcoming the sort of inertia that keeps us in bed, much of the day. The first few minutes seem like asking us for super human effort----but once you start, inertia soon becomes momentum. Just saw it again today. V-Aa.
I've got a Border Collie, an Australian Shepard and a half and half. Gives me plenty of reason to get up in the morning.------ This thread is Archived ------
Quite, M. Bravo helps. Aa-V.
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Vierkaesehoch: Medication and therapy, as per all the books. But just somehow overcoming the sort of inertia that keeps us in bed, much of the day. The first few minutes seem like asking us for super human effort----but once you start, inertia soon becomes momentum. Just saw it again today. V-Aa.
Momentum, yes. But to what end?Mild depresion doesn't give up on life it gives up on its own life, the perfect example of which is tireless attempts to please people in a manner of cheerful subservience.
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Miwagi: I've got a Border Collie, an Australian Shepard and a half and half. Gives me plenty of reason to get up in the morning.
Best therapy ever and in fact dogs have been acknowledged for their ability to help people in many ways. They ask for very little in return.
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Half of the battle is just getting up. Doesn't work everyday but I make myself get up (eventually). If you can do that, you can usually get through the day.
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ChesneyChrist: Momentum, yes. But to what end?
Mild depresion doesn't give up on life it gives up on its own life, the perfect example of which is tireless attempts to please people in a manner of cheerful subservience.
Back in the 1930s and the far east today(particularly Japan)mild depression is a social norm. Fascism and Orientalism depend greatly on your individual life meaning nothing and the people around you everything.Mild depresion doesn't give up on life it gives up on its own life, the perfect example of which is tireless attempts to please people in a manner of cheerful subservience.
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I beat the blues, and I suffer no more, it was a learning process .....
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ChesneyChrist: Momentum, yes. But to what end?
Mild depresion doesn't give up on life it gives up on its own life, the perfect example of which is tireless attempts to please people in a manner of cheerful subservience.
The lesser stages of depression make you more functional, more productive, more practical in a gritty sense. It won't suffer the delusions of genuine positivity but it is very easily put upon. Mild depression is a boon to the supply side of economics, it'll walk in line and accept more work for the same or less pay..Mild depresion doesn't give up on life it gives up on its own life, the perfect example of which is tireless attempts to please people in a manner of cheerful subservience.
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ChesneyChrist: The lesser stages of depression make you more functional, more productive, more practical in a gritty sense. It won't suffer the delusions of genuine positivity but it is very easily put upon. Mild depression is a boon to the supply side of economics, it'll walk in line and accept more work for the same or less pay..
Essentially it's a robot, self-esteem doesn't want to prove itself and esteem will view whatever it does with some credit purely by virtue of the fact that it's doing it. No self-esteem won't do this in fact it will beat itself up even over the things it does well. And there's two paths to go from here - the first and more severe path of depression sees him shrink back into a cave or basement, the less severe path of depression sees him turn to hyper-productivity in a desperate attempt to prove his worth to those on the outside having no feelings of self-worth.------ This thread is Archived ------
I think when that happens you need to feel or find a purpose to get up for....it might not be a life purpose..you dont have to have all lifes questions put to rights....but a small simple purpose that makes you focus on it and makes you want to get up for that and only that.
Almost like a trick for your mind to say 'if i dont get up and do this then who will'... sometimes you have to play mind games with your own mind games.
Almost like a trick for your mind to say 'if i dont get up and do this then who will'... sometimes you have to play mind games with your own mind games.
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ChesneyChrist: Essentially it's a robot, self-esteem doesn't want to prove itself and esteem will view whatever it does with some credit purely by virtue of the fact that it's doing it. No self-esteem won't do this in fact it will beat itself up even over the things it does well. And there's two paths to go from here - the first and more severe path of depression sees him shrink back into a cave or basement, the less severe path of depression sees him turn to hyper-productivity in a desperate attempt to prove his worth to those on the outside having no feelings of self-worth.
You'll meet people in life who come with the sense that if they stopped for a moment they'd kill themselves. People really do keep active - uber active - to keep the demons at bay and this is what some people settle on forever. Especially traditionally the highly functional cog was a way of life not to be seen as a problem, historically the dull workaholic was not regarded as an unhappy and unsatisfied individual but a credit to his company and country.------ This thread is Archived ------
SlainteMhaithx: I think when that happens you need to feel or find a purpose to get up for....it might not be a life purpose..you dont have to have all lifes questions put to rights....but a small simple purpose that makes you focus on it and makes you want to get up for that and only that.
Almost like a trick for your mind to say 'if i dont get up and do this then who will'... sometimes you have to play mind games with your own mind games.
It's just a chemical imbalance. Which can be helped. It can be temporary of a part of your life. Almost like a trick for your mind to say 'if i dont get up and do this then who will'... sometimes you have to play mind games with your own mind games.
I agree with Chesney that as a rule to keep your mind busy with other things in life. But that isn't often easy. Even when you don't have an imbalance.
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Rachie14: It's just a chemical imbalance. Which can be helped. It can be temporary of a part of your life.
I agree with Chesney that as a rule to keep your mind busy with other things in life. But that isn't often easy. Even when you don't have an imbalance.
Agreed.I agree with Chesney that as a rule to keep your mind busy with other things in life. But that isn't often easy. Even when you don't have an imbalance.
Its how willing and able you are to put the effort into managing and maintaining a busy life.
Depression and a naturally lazy person is going to be a nigtmare.
Sorry if that offends..i dont mean it to.
Just i get the contradiction of depression and having get up and go...but there has to be an unlazy element in you to want to beat it and manage it.
Some dont have that
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SlainteMhaithx: Agreed.
Its how willing and able you are to put the effort into managing and maintaining a busy life.
Depression and a naturally lazy person is going to be a nigtmare.
Sorry if that offends..i dont mean it to.
Just i get the contradiction of depression and having get up and go...but there has to be an unlazy element in you to want to beat it and manage it.
Some dont have that
I don't know about lazy people. But I do know about life and how it can impact others. There are so many stereotypes out there about it. Which isn't always the case. Many people stay silent because of it, because they are fully aware they're different and don't fit into the norms of society. Its how willing and able you are to put the effort into managing and maintaining a busy life.
Depression and a naturally lazy person is going to be a nigtmare.
Sorry if that offends..i dont mean it to.
Just i get the contradiction of depression and having get up and go...but there has to be an unlazy element in you to want to beat it and manage it.
Some dont have that
I am not personally offended by it. But I have seen it destroy people. The treatment for it is more on a cognative basis these days. At one time it certainly to my mind was unethical. ECT being one of them or locking people away for it.
Another point Chesney made which I agree with. There are high functioning people with the condition. But what people see on the surface is not what happens behind closed doors. But they will put a brave face on it and try not to show is based on a lot of views it's a weakness. I maybe alone in this but I think personally part of it is being mentally strong for too long.
Either way, I see it as when people do speak up about it. It causes further isolation. Because when they do talk about it the general view is a negative. Robin Williams is an example of this. People loved him, well the perception they had of him. Until he took his own life.
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SlainteMhaithx: Agreed.
Its how willing and able you are to put the effort into managing and maintaining a busy life.
Depression and a naturally lazy person is going to be a nigtmare.
Sorry if that offends..i dont mean it to.
Just i get the contradiction of depression and having get up and go...but there has to be an unlazy element in you to want to beat it and manage it.
Some dont have that
I cannot help but agree with what you are saying. I have never suffered from depression and have no idea of the daemons that people talk about! Its how willing and able you are to put the effort into managing and maintaining a busy life.
Depression and a naturally lazy person is going to be a nigtmare.
Sorry if that offends..i dont mean it to.
Just i get the contradiction of depression and having get up and go...but there has to be an unlazy element in you to want to beat it and manage it.
Some dont have that
Depression gives a person a right to stay in bed. To be lazy. To be moody and offensive.
It gives them a right to be very selfish to the point of taking their own lives..
Do they really think they take their pain with them! No! They don’t they just transfer it to those they leave behind. People that are afflicted with depression have a responsibility to manage it in a productive way!
Many people with depression don’t get into a deep sleep, they don’t dream, which sorts out a lot of their issues, they have nightmares instead which keeps them from fully going to sleep and that is why they feel so tired when the wake.
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MsContessa: I cannot help but agree with what you are saying. I have never suffered from depression and have no idea of the daemons that people talk about!
Depression gives a person a right to stay in bed. To be lazy. To be moody and offensive.
It gives them a right to be very selfish to the point of taking their own lives..
Do they really think they take their pain with them! No! They don’t they just transfer it to those they leave behind. People that are afflicted with depression have a responsibility to manage it in a productive way!
Many people with depression don’t get into a deep sleep, they don’t dream, which sorts out a lot of their issues, they have nightmares instead which keeps them from fully going to sleep and that is why they feel so tired when the wake.
Depression gives a person a right to stay in bed. To be lazy. To be moody and offensive.
It gives them a right to be very selfish to the point of taking their own lives..
Do they really think they take their pain with them! No! They don’t they just transfer it to those they leave behind. People that are afflicted with depression have a responsibility to manage it in a productive way!
Many people with depression don’t get into a deep sleep, they don’t dream, which sorts out a lot of their issues, they have nightmares instead which keeps them from fully going to sleep and that is why they feel so tired when the wake.
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Being alone with your mind for too long, is a dangerous thing!
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Vierkaesehoch: Medication and therapy, as per all the books. But just somehow overcoming the sort of inertia that keeps us in bed, much of the day. The first few minutes seem like asking us for super human effort----but once you start, inertia soon becomes momentum. Just saw it again today. V-Aa.
It can be a minefield ,and is different for every individual.It is very sad, when someone just can't get out of the bed in the morning.
Nobody can judge , unless we have walked a mile in their shoes.
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Having had 1st hand experience of depression n combating it I don't believe the root cause is a chemical imbalance in the brain n an eminent psychologist called Ivor Browne wrote a book outlining the same view n how brain chemicals don't account for the effects of sudden or long term trauma/crises in our lives.
In my case depression was caused by emotional problems- an addiction to self pity n loneliness. It takes ferocious hard work on holding onto positive emotions n thoughts to overcome it. Cognitive behaviour therapy (C.b.t.) has been found to be very effective therapy.
Its also an outdated myth that suicide attempts are cowardly acts. Research has shown the characters of these people to be the reverse- they are generally fearless of dying n just want the living hell that s going on in their minds to end. Being cowardly implies running from a difficult situation n these people show tremendous courage in facing depression head on every day. Society appears to concede much more sympathy for people with chronic physical pain with a poor quality of life who want to end their lives than to those who are in constant mental n emotional pain n suffering that has a detrimental effect on their lives and also want it to stop.
In my case depression was caused by emotional problems- an addiction to self pity n loneliness. It takes ferocious hard work on holding onto positive emotions n thoughts to overcome it. Cognitive behaviour therapy (C.b.t.) has been found to be very effective therapy.
Its also an outdated myth that suicide attempts are cowardly acts. Research has shown the characters of these people to be the reverse- they are generally fearless of dying n just want the living hell that s going on in their minds to end. Being cowardly implies running from a difficult situation n these people show tremendous courage in facing depression head on every day. Society appears to concede much more sympathy for people with chronic physical pain with a poor quality of life who want to end their lives than to those who are in constant mental n emotional pain n suffering that has a detrimental effect on their lives and also want it to stop.
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