IRELAND. Hard border OR soft border? (16)
Thanks for your input. I have now done a bit of Irish history reading. I am truly ignorant of quite a lot of goings on from the past. I am in total agreement about the "folks NOT on the hill" (Stormont). You will appreciate that my post was about today and the future.
Hunkydoree: Thanks for your input. I have now done a bit of Irish history reading. I am truly ignorant of quite a lot of goings on from the past. I am in total agreement about the "folks NOT on the hill" (Stormont). You will appreciate that my post was about today and the future.
So was mine.....Forget the mistakes in the past and it come back to haunt you 10 fold.
Hunkydoree: For those of you who are not familiar with the situation in Ireland/UK, I'll try to give you a brief description.
The UK is leaving Europe. NO, we are not sailing off into the distance. The UK is leaving the European Economic Community. I'm not even sure if it is still called the EEC. We voted in a referendum to leave. The then prime minister, David Cameron, wasn't prepared for a leave vote and sulked and took his ball home. No he didn't. He resigned.
We in the UK are fed up with being controlled by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels. As such, they cannot be removed from their position by an election. Another thing, when we, in the UK joined the EEC, we were one out of (I believe) seven other countries, as members. In other words, we had a seventh of the say in what was going on. Now there are twenty-seven countries in the EEC and now we have only a twenty-seventh say in everything that goes on there. Anyway, we are leaving. BUT there is a stumbling block. The UK is made up from four countries. England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Northern Ireland as the name suggests is part of the whole of Ireland, or Eire. Eire is a member of the EEC and intends to remain as such, after the UK leaves. Are you getting the picture, now? So, from what was a friendly style of border, there is talk of either a hard border or a soft border. A hard border meaning a custom's post, manned with custom's officers. Also, the thought is that every vehicle will be stopped and searched. Thus causing tailbacks of traffic for miles and adding huge costs to international travel. That as an alternative, to a soft border, which it is now. With no customs checks, or hold-ups on the junction between the two countries.
NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
Does everyone who is against a hard border, really think that there is a completely open and free border now? Goods and people are routinely checked. How do you think the police catch smugglers? How do you think the police can say that a certain villain, has crossed a border and turned up in Tim-Buk-Tu.
I think it is time Ireland joined the UK in thumbing their nose at Brussels. Come on. We will be much stronger together.
England voted on a romantic ideal of what it was/could be.The UK is leaving Europe. NO, we are not sailing off into the distance. The UK is leaving the European Economic Community. I'm not even sure if it is still called the EEC. We voted in a referendum to leave. The then prime minister, David Cameron, wasn't prepared for a leave vote and sulked and took his ball home. No he didn't. He resigned.
We in the UK are fed up with being controlled by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels. As such, they cannot be removed from their position by an election. Another thing, when we, in the UK joined the EEC, we were one out of (I believe) seven other countries, as members. In other words, we had a seventh of the say in what was going on. Now there are twenty-seven countries in the EEC and now we have only a twenty-seventh say in everything that goes on there. Anyway, we are leaving. BUT there is a stumbling block. The UK is made up from four countries. England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Northern Ireland as the name suggests is part of the whole of Ireland, or Eire. Eire is a member of the EEC and intends to remain as such, after the UK leaves. Are you getting the picture, now? So, from what was a friendly style of border, there is talk of either a hard border or a soft border. A hard border meaning a custom's post, manned with custom's officers. Also, the thought is that every vehicle will be stopped and searched. Thus causing tailbacks of traffic for miles and adding huge costs to international travel. That as an alternative, to a soft border, which it is now. With no customs checks, or hold-ups on the junction between the two countries.
NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
Does everyone who is against a hard border, really think that there is a completely open and free border now? Goods and people are routinely checked. How do you think the police catch smugglers? How do you think the police can say that a certain villain, has crossed a border and turned up in Tim-Buk-Tu.
I think it is time Ireland joined the UK in thumbing their nose at Brussels. Come on. We will be much stronger together.
GB was 'Great' due to the wealth it stole from its colonies.
Unfortunately for them, it doesn't have that anymore so it voted on an ideal rather than a reality.
There are some things about an island nation, that cannot be ignored. Your borders finish at the tide. The vote for a break from Europe was driven by (and I will be vilified, for saying it) immigration. Too many people all at once. A strain on public services, like transport, health centres, housing. We (as a nation) do not, or have ever had, a poor attitude towards foreign people. We are a nation of nations and I love it. Brexit is all about freedom.
A ticket machine and barrier should suffice where the first hour is free. If you lose the ticket it´s €25
The partition of Ireland caused us to have a hard border in the past n the politicans are receiving the loud n clear message from the majority of all citizens that no one( apart from the few war-mongerers who sniff opportunities for wealth from war n destruction) wants a return to a bloodiest history of a civil war again. I don't care how they logistically handle it all n if they label it a "soft border/brexit", what matters most is that the peace n harmony now enjoyed all over this Island continues for everyone's sake.
Saorstat: So you're pro?????
Loads...What about you? Whats your solution to Brexit?
Phoenix: Loads...What about you? Whats your solution to Brexit?
call the bluff.She'll (they'll) be glad to worm out.
Saorstat: call the bluff.
She'll (they'll) be glad to worm out.
How? Whatever way it pans out May is held to hostage by the DUP who often take advise from the UDA. And Barnier or the rest of the EU talking shop hasn't figured that out or are pretending the problem doesn't exist and hope it goes away. She'll (they'll) be glad to worm out.
What is your idea on how Bariener etc will or could call the bluff of the UDA...?
Phoenix: How? Whatever way it pans out May is held to hostage by the DUP who often take advise from the UDA. And Barnier or the rest of the EU talking shop hasn't figured that out or are pretending the problem doesn't exist and hope it goes away.
What is your idea on how Bariener etc will or could call the bluff of the UDA...?
Think the government(ours) has this one right, What is your idea on how Bariener etc will or could call the bluff of the UDA...?
This is ours to loose , europe's already committed to backing.
....like I say, call their bluff.
You see any wild card they can play??
Hunkydoree: For those of you who are not familiar with the situation in Ireland/UK, I'll try to give you a brief description.
The UK is leaving Europe. NO, we are not sailing off into the distance. The UK is leaving the European Economic Community. I'm not even sure if it is still called the EEC. We voted in a referendum to leave. The then prime minister, David Cameron, wasn't prepared for a leave vote and sulked and took his ball home. No he didn't. He resigned.
We in the UK are fed up with being controlled by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels. As such, they cannot be removed from their position by an election. Another thing, when we, in the UK joined the EEC, we were one out of (I believe) seven other countries, as members. In other words, we had a seventh of the say in what was going on. Now there are twenty-seven countries in the EEC and now we have only a twenty-seventh say in everything that goes on there. Anyway, we are leaving. BUT there is a stumbling block. The UK is made up from four countries. England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Northern Ireland as the name suggests is part of the whole of Ireland, or Eire. Eire is a member of the EEC and intends to remain as such, after the UK leaves. Are you getting the picture, now? So, from what was a friendly style of border, there is talk of either a hard border or a soft border. A hard border meaning a custom's post, manned with custom's officers. Also, the thought is that every vehicle will be stopped and searched. Thus causing tailbacks of traffic for miles and adding huge costs to international travel. That as an alternative, to a soft border, which it is now. With no customs checks, or hold-ups on the junction between the two countries.
NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
Does everyone who is against a hard border, really think that there is a completely open and free border now? Goods and people are routinely checked. How do you think the police catch smugglers? How do you think the police can say that a certain villain, has crossed a border and turned up in Tim-Buk-Tu.
I think it is time Ireland joined the UK in thumbing their nose at Brussels. Come on. We will be much stronger together.
Ill take mine a little over easy with some soldiers ...cheers The UK is leaving Europe. NO, we are not sailing off into the distance. The UK is leaving the European Economic Community. I'm not even sure if it is still called the EEC. We voted in a referendum to leave. The then prime minister, David Cameron, wasn't prepared for a leave vote and sulked and took his ball home. No he didn't. He resigned.
We in the UK are fed up with being controlled by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels. As such, they cannot be removed from their position by an election. Another thing, when we, in the UK joined the EEC, we were one out of (I believe) seven other countries, as members. In other words, we had a seventh of the say in what was going on. Now there are twenty-seven countries in the EEC and now we have only a twenty-seventh say in everything that goes on there. Anyway, we are leaving. BUT there is a stumbling block. The UK is made up from four countries. England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Northern Ireland as the name suggests is part of the whole of Ireland, or Eire. Eire is a member of the EEC and intends to remain as such, after the UK leaves. Are you getting the picture, now? So, from what was a friendly style of border, there is talk of either a hard border or a soft border. A hard border meaning a custom's post, manned with custom's officers. Also, the thought is that every vehicle will be stopped and searched. Thus causing tailbacks of traffic for miles and adding huge costs to international travel. That as an alternative, to a soft border, which it is now. With no customs checks, or hold-ups on the junction between the two countries.
NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
Does everyone who is against a hard border, really think that there is a completely open and free border now? Goods and people are routinely checked. How do you think the police catch smugglers? How do you think the police can say that a certain villain, has crossed a border and turned up in Tim-Buk-Tu.
I think it is time Ireland joined the UK in thumbing their nose at Brussels. Come on. We will be much stronger together.
Listen Parky,
The only border on the island of Ireland, will be put there by your friend Leo (that is, if he is just a friend, if you know what I mean.) He is throwing up so many obstacles to a shared commerce, no doubt, engineered by his friends in Brussels, that it will be him that will create a border. With all the nonsense associated with Brexit. Deal, no deal, border, no border. I still think Ireland should get out of Europe. Sure, 60% of their business is with the UK. Try booking a holiday in Ireland, online. All the prices are in GBP. So much for relying on the Euro.
SeeU Parky.[/quote
so we've 60,000,000 tourists and ye've 4,000,0000????
Of course we should leave????????????
The only border on the island of Ireland, will be put there by your friend Leo (that is, if he is just a friend, if you know what I mean.) He is throwing up so many obstacles to a shared commerce, no doubt, engineered by his friends in Brussels, that it will be him that will create a border. With all the nonsense associated with Brexit. Deal, no deal, border, no border. I still think Ireland should get out of Europe. Sure, 60% of their business is with the UK. Try booking a holiday in Ireland, online. All the prices are in GBP. So much for relying on the Euro.
SeeU Parky.[/quote
so we've 60,000,000 tourists and ye've 4,000,0000????
Of course we should leave????????????
The Irish media is not good, but the UK one is a joke. It is just so biased and so fake news. It is laughable. All the lies that the UK media spin- Brexit is a good example. The UK media is owned by billionaires who live off shore, they do not want Corbyn in power because he might break their power, and give working people money back.
Example: Theresa May loses 2 government ministers over Brexit plan, UK media says- this is Corbyn's fault, this is anti semitic from Corbyn LOL
Example: Theresa May loses 2 government ministers over Brexit plan, UK media says- this is Corbyn's fault, this is anti semitic from Corbyn LOL
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The UK is leaving Europe. NO, we are not sailing off into the distance. The UK is leaving the European Economic Community. I'm not even sure if it is still called the EEC. We voted in a referendum to leave. The then prime minister, David Cameron, wasn't prepared for a leave vote and sulked and took his ball home. No he didn't. He resigned.
We in the UK are fed up with being controlled by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels. As such, they cannot be removed from their position by an election. Another thing, when we, in the UK joined the EEC, we were one out of (I believe) seven other countries, as members. In other words, we had a seventh of the say in what was going on. Now there are twenty-seven countries in the EEC and now we have only a twenty-seventh say in everything that goes on there. Anyway, we are leaving. BUT there is a stumbling block. The UK is made up from four countries. England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Northern Ireland as the name suggests is part of the whole of Ireland, or Eire. Eire is a member of the EEC and intends to remain as such, after the UK leaves. Are you getting the picture, now? So, from what was a friendly style of border, there is talk of either a hard border or a soft border. A hard border meaning a custom's post, manned with custom's officers. Also, the thought is that every vehicle will be stopped and searched. Thus causing tailbacks of traffic for miles and adding huge costs to international travel. That as an alternative, to a soft border, which it is now. With no customs checks, or hold-ups on the junction between the two countries.
NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
Does everyone who is against a hard border, really think that there is a completely open and free border now? Goods and people are routinely checked. How do you think the police catch smugglers? How do you think the police can say that a certain villain, has crossed a border and turned up in Tim-Buk-Tu.
I think it is time Ireland joined the UK in thumbing their nose at Brussels. Come on. We will be much stronger together.