Is there a GOD??? (185)
charles_nz: Surely the answer to this question is self-evident?
How can there possibly be creation without a creator?
Phsyics Charles..physics.How can there possibly be creation without a creator?
It's impossible to prove the non-existance of something that doesn't exist..However, it is possible to prove the existance of something that does exist.. So how come, after thousands of years, the god believers still haven't come up with any proof or evidence???
Believe in a god, where there's zero evidence, is not just irrational, it's obfuscating the progress of knowledge.We'd be hundreds of years ahead knowledge-wise if it weren't for the church and their murdering scientists who dared to deny there being a God.....Even claiming the earth wasn't the centre of the universe was enough...and why Newton hid his work for ten years..out of fear of the Church...
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Tuesday2018: Phsyics Charles..physics.
It's impossible to prove the non-existance of something that doesn't exist..However, it is possible to prove the existance of something that does exist.. So how come, after thousands of years, the god believers still haven't come up with any proof or evidence???
Lol. It seems you didn't read my previous post, or if you did, you didn't udnerstand it.It's impossible to prove the non-existance of something that doesn't exist..However, it is possible to prove the existance of something that does exist.. So how come, after thousands of years, the god believers still haven't come up with any proof or evidence???
Creation is itself proof of a creator.
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charles_nz: Lol. It seems you didn't read my previous post, or if you did, you didn't udnerstand it.
Creation is itself proof of a creator.
There's no need to be snide Charles.... . I did read it, I did understand it and I answered your question...Creation is itself proof of a creator.
As I've already replied. The creator isn't an entity. Physics itself is the creator. It's the interaction of matter and energy,
Until approx 20 years ago (open to correction on that) they thought neither matter nor energy could be "created".. They've since discovered it can...and they've proven it...Matter and energy can actually create matter and energy.....and organic life was borne from that energy and matter...
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No...there is energy that works in unison not a god up there at the controls......
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One can not have a creation without a creator.
It really is that simple.
It really is that simple.
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charles_nz: One can not have a creation without a creator.
It really is that simple.
Well if you're happy with believing that then sure that's fine..but there's no point discussing this with you if you're just going to say the same thing over and over again...bit pointless really isn't it :))It really is that simple.
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Tuesday2018: Well if you're happy with believing that then sure that's fine..but there's no point discussing this with you if you're just going to say the same thing over and over again...bit pointless really isn't it :))
I repeated myself because it is a point that needs making.While many people claim to not believe in a Creator, the very same people accept, whenever they see an item created by human hands, that someone must have created it.
John X may not believe in God, but when he holds his cellphone in his hands, his common sense tells him that someone must have made it. It did not just occur by particles randomly colliding. He takes on faith that someone made his cellphone, because the person who made it is out of sight.
Likewise, the same faith, the same common sense, tells us that the world is also the product of intelligent design, just like John's cellphone.
To believe otherwise simply makes no sense.
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charles_nz: I repeated myself because it is a point that needs making.
While many people claim to not believe in a Creator, the very same people accept, whenever they see an item created by human hands, that someone must have created it.
John X may not believe in God, but when he holds his cellphone in his hands, his common sense tells him that someone must have made it. It did not just occur by particles randomly colliding. He takes on faith that someone made his cellphone, because the person who made it is out of sight.
Likewise, the same faith, the same common sense, tells us that the world is also the product of intelligent design, just like John's cellphone.
To believe otherwise simply makes no sense.
yes, I can understand that. But..Charles...you're comparing a ferrari with a photon....a man made item with the product of billions of years of nature...While many people claim to not believe in a Creator, the very same people accept, whenever they see an item created by human hands, that someone must have created it.
John X may not believe in God, but when he holds his cellphone in his hands, his common sense tells him that someone must have made it. It did not just occur by particles randomly colliding. He takes on faith that someone made his cellphone, because the person who made it is out of sight.
Likewise, the same faith, the same common sense, tells us that the world is also the product of intelligent design, just like John's cellphone.
To believe otherwise simply makes no sense.
Put it this way. Think of popcorn. You put little kernals into a huge pot. When you apply heat/energy to the kernals they inflate, expand and fill the pot to the brim. .Who's the creator there? Who caused the kernals to inflate?? No one. Because there's no on in the microwave? Yet how do they grow? Heat.
It's the microwave energy that's made them grow..not some invisible creator. If you brought those kernals, and that microwave back two hundred years they'd be accusing you of being a witch and burning you at the stake...or even a God and falling to their knees......because it would be so far beyond anything they could even begin to comprehend, much less understand, they'd probably fear you...The concept that there is no such thing as a "God" or "creator" is as far outside some people's abiltilty to comprehend today, as popcorn in a microwave was 200 years ago...
Contrary to popular believe, space is not cold, it's hot...and full of energy...same as the microwave...the particles of matter are the kernals of popcorn.....put the two together and you get suns, planets and billions of years later..life...that's so intelligent it can make cell phones...:)
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The belief that a cellphone can not make itself, but the entire universe and everything in it can, is just so preposterous this, yes, I freely admit it is beyond my comprehension.
But I respect your right to believe that if you wish.
But I respect your right to believe that if you wish.
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charles_nz: The belief that a cellphone can not make itself, but the entire universe and everything in it can, is just so preposterous this, yes, I freely admit it is beyond my comprehension.
But I respect your right to believe that if you wish.
It's nothign to do with my "beliefs" Charles..it's a fact. They've created matter through the use of energy and matter...and have the evidence to prove it....But I respect your right to believe that if you wish.
Yes,, assuming you're not familiar with the physics behind it (I'm not trying to be condescending there by the way, just making an assumption ) I can understand you're seeing it as being preposterous, because it is rather a counter-inutuitive notion to get ones head around alright...But no, I don't believe it's beyond your comprehension for one minute, or anyone else's for that matter....it's just a case of your not having all the facts, where as others do...similar to the people 200 years ago and the microwave :)
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Tuesday2018: It's nothign to do with my "beliefs" Charles..
Lol, it has everything to do with your beliefs, which are different to mine.But it seems that your beliefs are "facts" while mine are a "belief".
If you are indeed trying to avoid being patronizing, you are failing!
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charles_nz: Lol, it has everything to do with your beliefs, which are different to mine.
But it seems that your beliefs are "facts" while mine are a "belief".
If you are indeed trying to avoid being patronizing, you are failing!
Well, yes, you were expressing a belief..and my reponses were based in fact..In fact there's a huge industry based around the self same facts...But it seems that your beliefs are "facts" while mine are a "belief".
If you are indeed trying to avoid being patronizing, you are failing!
Ok, no point in continuining with you because that sounds like you just want to see offence where there isnt any intended and you know well there wasn't intended, so pull in your fake horns Charles, it's so transparent...
It's patronising by the way..not patronizing...:)
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Tuesday2018:
It's patronising by the way..not patronizing...:)
No, it is patronizing if you are old-fashioned, as I am. However patronising, the newer spelling, is also acceptable. Same with organized/organised, advertize/advertise, and many other words.It's patronising by the way..not patronizing...:)
Perhaps you didn't know that?
No, I'm not looking for offence. I just find it slightly pointless to talk with someone who declares her observations to be "facts" while the observations of other people are, apparently, mere superstitious belief.
As I said before, I respect your right to hold the beliefs you do. After all, God gave you free will.
Take care.
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charles_nz: No, it is patronizing if you are old-fashioned, as I am. However patronising, the newer spelling, is also acceptable. Same with organized/organised, advertize/advertise, and many other words.
Perhaps you didn't know that?
No, I'm not looking for offence. I just find it slightly pointless to talk with someone who declares her observations to be "facts" while the observations of other people are, apparently, mere superstitious belief.
As I said before, I respect your right to hold the beliefs you do. After all, God gave you free will.
Take care.
It's nothing to do with being old fashioned. Patronising is the proper English spelling. It has been for a very very long time and will be for a long time to come.. Patronizing is how the north american's spell it...Ditto the rest of those words...and no matter what they say or do, they're wrong by default..obviously lol...Perhaps you didn't know that?
No, I'm not looking for offence. I just find it slightly pointless to talk with someone who declares her observations to be "facts" while the observations of other people are, apparently, mere superstitious belief.
As I said before, I respect your right to hold the beliefs you do. After all, God gave you free will.
Take care.
My observations? I wish they were my observations, but I'm afraid I can't take any credit for those experiments...
God what a liar lol....If you're not looking for offence, then why are you feigning it then? And you're also doing your best to be condescending too. No idea why but what ever it is, it's for you to deal with.
Beliefs and superstitious beliefs are two different things :))....I said nothing about superstitiuous beliefs...
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Tuesday2018: It's nothing to do with being old fashioned. Patronising is the proper English spelling. It has been for a very very long time and will be for a long time to come.. Patronizing is how the north american's spell it...Ditto the rest of those words...and no matter what they say or do, they're wrong by default..obviously lol...
"Patronizing" and "patronising" are both accepted spellings of the word.In my country, the "z" from words like patronize, advertize, organize, etc has given way in recent decades to an "s" but I am not one to be influenced by fads or fashions........
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It's interesting the fact that 2000 plus years ago people have had the same atheist reaction right in front of Christ; I don't know bible page by page but I do know a line from there where Christ says " because you saw me you believe in me; how about those who haven't seen me but they believe in me"
Your question "is there God?" is no difference from those times back then and today. Christ said "I am the way, the truth and life". We shouldn't be supriised seeing people atheist. If it was like that back then during Christ years on this planet, then those norms obviously continues to our days.
Your question "is there God?" is no difference from those times back then and today. Christ said "I am the way, the truth and life". We shouldn't be supriised seeing people atheist. If it was like that back then during Christ years on this planet, then those norms obviously continues to our days.
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strange how you would assume those people were atheists when most people had a religion before Christianity was ever invented
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Their religion was to worship the fire and statutes. The first nation after Christ that admitted Christianity were Armenians in year 301.
The rest followed Armenians afterwards.
The rest followed Armenians afterwards.
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truheart1941: ...no ...the 10 commandments is worth reading......other then that......hogwash.....jmo.........................
I like Mathew 23, verses 1-27. Timeless. No I'm not a religioner but those sayings are applicable to any time of history.------ This thread is Archived ------
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How can there possibly be creation without a creator?