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Sep 7, 2018 5:56 PM CST Is Jesus Christ God, Prophet or Michael the Archangel & where in the Bible is Trinity mentioned ?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
dunno

I want to know.....
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Sep 7, 2018 6:08 PM CST Is Jesus Christ God, Prophet or Michael the Archangel & where in the Bible is Trinity mentioned ?
Cervatilla
CervatillaCervatillaThe Reef, Canary Islands Spain1 Threads 132 Posts
Yhvh is God Almighty He created Jesus who was the Logo in the beginning, after he was resurrected he became Michael meaning who is like God? Nowhere in the Bible is a trinity mentioned it is merely used by those who twist the Divine word. Michael is now an angel as are all those of the 144k in heaven & those still on earth granted eternal life & those who know the real truth they are also known as gods, messengers Christs or Messiahs
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Sep 7, 2018 6:17 PM CST Is Jesus Christ God, Prophet or Michael the Archangel & where in the Bible is Trinity mentioned ?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
Cervatilla: Yhvh is God Almighty He created Jesus who was the Logo in the beginning, after he was resurrected he became Michael meaning who is like God? Nowhere in the Bible is a trinity mentioned it is merely used by those who twist the Divine word. Michael is now an angel as are all those of the 144k in heaven & those still on earth granted eternal life & those who know the real truth they are also known as gods, messengers Christs or Messiahs
I’ve never heard God named Yhvh. Is this abbreviated for Yahweh? And so Jesus Christ is the only Begotten son Of God whose brothers are in hell too, including Satan (a.k.a Lucifer)

dunno
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Sep 7, 2018 6:18 PM CST Is Jesus Christ God, Prophet or Michael the Archangel & where in the Bible is Trinity mentioned ?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
Cervatilla: Yhvh is God Almighty He created Jesus who was the Logo in the beginning, after he was resurrected he became Michael meaning who is like God? Nowhere in the Bible is a trinity mentioned it is merely used by those who twist the Divine word. Michael is now an angel as are all those of the 144k in heaven & those still on earth granted eternal life & those who know the real truth they are also known as gods, messengers Christs or Messiahs
Thank you, btw...
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Sep 7, 2018 6:24 PM CST Is Jesus Christ God, Prophet or Michael the Archangel & where in the Bible is Trinity mentioned ?
Cervatilla
CervatillaCervatillaThe Reef, Canary Islands Spain1 Threads 132 Posts
Yhvh is the Hebrew term. Satan is in the abyss commonly know as the pit or grave in certain misguided religions. It is a place of Spiritual darkness where all mankind & demons are until they begin to find the real truth about Yhvh. A lot call Him Jehovah but that actually means a ruin, a disaster.
The vast majority will never come out & are spiritually dead & will remain so. The few of us that do come out have eternal life granted unless of course we sin against Holy Spirit. At the moment there are probably only about 10k with eternal life on earth so far
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Sep 7, 2018 6:31 PM CST Is Jesus Christ God, Prophet or Michael the Archangel & where in the Bible is Trinity mentioned ?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
Interesting... I’ve read to where only 144,000 will live with God in Heaven and the remaining believers will live physically perfect on a perfect earth forever with Lord Jesus Christ after the great tribulation and final judgement. I wonder if this is true too. handshake
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Sep 7, 2018 6:38 PM CST Is Jesus Christ God, Prophet or Michael the Archangel & where in the Bible is Trinity mentioned ?
Cervatilla
CervatillaCervatillaThe Reef, Canary Islands Spain1 Threads 132 Posts
You have to remember that Revelation is all symbolic so the number 144k is also we don't know yet how many. They will also live on earth & only visit heaven via Jacobs ladder for training. No-one from earth lives in heaven permanently. A loving God would never destroy families by tearing them apart like that smile
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Sep 7, 2018 6:46 PM CST Is Jesus Christ God, Prophet or Michael the Archangel & where in the Bible is Trinity mentioned ?
Cervatilla
CervatillaCervatillaThe Reef, Canary Islands Spain1 Threads 132 Posts
The Bible was written primarily for Yhvhs chosen people - the Israelites & still is but has widened out to those Gentiles who believe & anyone else who is a lover of truth you just need to pray for guidance & He will lead you.

Armageddon is the final battle of a war that has been raging since Eden & will culminate very, very soon we are just waiting for the final chosen to come out of Jehovahs Witnesses where they experience the Gt Tribulation until they leave & enter the wilderness. Satan doesn't want to lose anyone & will try any trick in the book to avoid that because it means a step closer to his demise!
Jesus took Kingly power on his resurrection not in 1914 as the JWs wrongly predicted all that is satans way of counterfeit prophesy to keep the masses under his control so if there is a WW3 it is satans way not Yhvhs who is not the destroyer

Jws are mentioned particularly because it is they who have taken Yhvhs name blasphemously & they are in terrible trouble!
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Sep 7, 2018 6:47 PM CST Is Jesus Christ God, Prophet or Michael the Archangel & where in the Bible is Trinity mentioned ?
britishcolumbian
britishcolumbianbritishcolumbianunknown, British Columbia Canada153 Threads 894 Posts
Can you explain the Trinity?
The following clearly and briefly explains the Trinity...three gods or one?
You and I live in a three-dimensional world. All physical objects have a certain height, width, and depth. One person can look like someone else, or behave like someone else, or even sound like someone else. But a person cannot actually be the same as another person. They are distinct individuals.

God, however, lives without the limitations of a three-dimensional universe. He is spirit. And he is infinitely more complex than we are.

That is why Jesus the Son can be different from the Father. And, yet the same.

The Bible clearly speaks of: God the Son, God the Father, and God the Holy Spirit. But emphasizes that there is only ONE God.

If we were to use math, it would not be, 1+1+1=3. It would be 1x1x1=1. God is a triune God.

Thus the term: "Tri" meaning three, and "Unity" meaning one, Tri+Unity = Trinity. It is a way of acknowledging what the Bible reveals to us about God, that God is yet three "Persons" who have the same essence of deity.

Some have tried to give human illustrations for the Trinity, such as H2O being water, ice and steam (all different forms, but all are H2O). Another illustration would be the sun. From it we receive light, heat and radiation. Three distinct aspects, but only one sun.

No illustration is going to be perfect.

But from the very beginning we see God as a Trinity. In the book of Genesis, the first book in the Bible, God says, "Let us make man in our image…male and female he created them."1 You see here a mixture of plural and singular pronouns.

When Moses asked God for his name, God replied, "I am" - eternally existing.

Jesus used the same phrase numerous times.
"I am the light of the world..."
"I am the bread of life..."
"I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

Abraham is someone mentioned in Genesis, thousands of years before Jesus came to earth. Yet, Jesus said of himself, "Before Abraham was born, I am." The Jews understood fully what Jesus was saying because they picked up stones to kill him for "blasphemy" - claiming to be God.2 Jesus has always existed.

This came up time and time again. Jesus was so clear about his unique relationship with the Father. This is why, “the Jewish leaders tried all the harder to find a way to kill him. For he not only broke the Sabbath, he called God his Father, thereby making himself equal with God.”3

For all of eternity, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit have always been in relationship and communication with each other, yet not as three gods…as one God.

This answers the question:

If Jesus is God, who was he praying to?
On earth, Jesus continued to talk to the Father, and the Father and Spirit continued to communicate with him.

Though not a complete list, here is some other Scripture that shows Go
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Sep 7, 2018 6:55 PM CST Is Jesus Christ God, Prophet or Michael the Archangel & where in the Bible is Trinity mentioned ?
britishcolumbian
britishcolumbianbritishcolumbianunknown, British Columbia Canada153 Threads 894 Posts
Revelation 7 New International Version (NIV)
144,000 Sealed
7 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree. 2 Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: 3 “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.” 4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.

5 From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed,

from the tribe of Reuben 12,000,

from the tribe of Gad 12,000,

6 from the tribe of Asher 12,000,

from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000,

from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000,

7 from the tribe of Simeon 12,000,

from the tribe of Levi 12,000,

from the tribe of Issachar 12,000,

8 from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000,

from the tribe of Joseph 12,000,

from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000.

The Great Multitude in White Robes
9 After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands. 10 And they cried out in a loud voice:

“Salvation belongs to our God,
who sits on the throne,
and to the Lamb.”

11 All the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures. They fell down on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12 saying:

“Amen!
Praise and glory
and wisdom and thanks and honor
and power and strength
be to our God for ever and ever.
Amen!”

13 Then one of the elders asked me, “These in white robes—who are they, and where did they come from?”

14 I answered, “Sir, you know.”

And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
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Sep 7, 2018 6:56 PM CST Is Jesus Christ God, Prophet or Michael the Archangel & where in the Bible is Trinity mentioned ?
britishcolumbian
britishcolumbianbritishcolumbianunknown, British Columbia Canada153 Threads 894 Posts
This shows cleary that there are going to be multitudes in heaven not only 144.000 wave
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Sep 7, 2018 6:58 PM CST Is Jesus Christ God, Prophet or Michael the Archangel & where in the Bible is Trinity mentioned ?
Cervatilla
CervatillaCervatillaThe Reef, Canary Islands Spain1 Threads 132 Posts
britishcolumbian: Can you explain the Trinity?
The following clearly and briefly explains the Trinity...three gods or one?
You and I live in a three-dimensional world. All physical objects have a certain height, width, and depth. One person can look like someone else, or behave like someone else, or even sound like someone else. But a person cannot actually be the same as another person. They are distinct individuals.

God, however, lives without the limitations of a three-dimensional universe. He is spirit. And he is infinitely more complex than we are.

That is why Jesus the Son can be different from the Father. And, yet the same.

The Bible clearly speaks of: God the Son, God the Father, and God the Holy Spirit. But emphasizes that there is only ONE God.

If we were to use math, it would not be, 1+1+1=3. It would be 1x1x1=1. God is a triune God.

Thus the term: "Tri" meaning three, and "Unity" meaning one, Tri+Unity = Trinity. It is a way of acknowledging what the Bible reveals to us about God, that God is yet three "Persons" who have the same essence of deity.

Some have tried to give human illustrations for the Trinity, such as H2O being water, ice and steam (all different forms, but all are H2O). Another illustration would be the sun. From it we receive light, heat and radiation. Three distinct aspects, but only one sun.

No illustration is going to be perfect.

But from the very beginning we see God as a Trinity. In the book of Genesis, the first book in the Bible, God says, "Let us make man in our image…male and female he created them."1 You see here a mixture of plural and singular pronouns.

When Moses asked God for his name, God replied, "I am" - eternally existing.

Jesus used the same phrase numerous times.
"I am the light of the world..."
"I am the bread of life..."
"I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

Abraham is someone mentioned in Genesis, thousands of years before Jesus came to earth. Yet, Jesus said of himself, "Before Abraham was born, I am." The Jews understood fully what Jesus was saying because they picked up stones to kill him for "blasphemy" - claiming to be God.2 Jesus has always existed.

This came up time and time again. Jesus was so clear about his unique relationship with the Father. This is why, “the Jewish leaders tried all the harder to find a way to kill him. For he not only broke the Sabbath, he called God his Father, thereby making himself equal with God.”3

For all of eternity, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit have always been in relationship and communication with each other, yet not as three gods…as one God.

This answers the question:

If Jesus is God, who was he praying to?
On earth, Jesus continued to talk to the Father, and the Father and Spirit continued to communicate with him.

Though not a complete list, here is some other Scripture that shows Go
Perfect BC to whom was Jesus speaking when he said Father forgive them etc? Did he resurrect himself? There are many other points related to the same subject.
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Sep 7, 2018 7:03 PM CST Is Jesus Christ God, Prophet or Michael the Archangel & where in the Bible is Trinity mentioned ?
britishcolumbian
britishcolumbianbritishcolumbianunknown, British Columbia Canada153 Threads 894 Posts
Cervatilla: Perfect BC to whom was Jesus speaking when he said Father forgive them etc? Did he resurrect himself? There are many other points related to the same subject.
You must read it all
If Jesus is God, who was he praying to?
On earth, Jesus continued to talk to the Father, and the Father and Spirit continued to communicate with him.
This was only when Jesus lived on earth as it clearly tells you wave
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Sep 7, 2018 7:07 PM CST Is Jesus Christ God, Prophet or Michael the Archangel & where in the Bible is Trinity mentioned ?
britishcolumbian
britishcolumbianbritishcolumbianunknown, British Columbia Canada153 Threads 894 Posts
I’ve never heard God named Yhvh. Is this abbreviated for Yahweh? And so Jesus Christ is the only Begotten son Of God whose brothers are in hell too, including Satan (a.k.a Lucifer)

No one is in hell, not until after the great tribulation and the judgement will some go to hell and be judged
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Sep 7, 2018 8:26 PM CST Is Jesus Christ God, Prophet or Michael the Archangel & where in the Bible is Trinity mentioned ?
ysabeljhen
ysabeljhenysabeljhenFlying Fish Cove, Christmas Island71 Threads 2 Polls 1,874 Posts
wave BCthumbs up

I just want to addgrin


There is no problem with God the Son praying or talking to God the Father. As mentioned, they had an eternal relationship before Christ became a man. This relationship is depicted in the Gospels so we can see how the Son of God in His humanity carried out His Father's will, and in doing so, purchased redemption for His children (John 6:38). Christ’s continual submission to His heavenly Father was empowered and kept focused through His prayer life. Christ’s example of prayer is ours to follow.

Jesus Christ was no less God on earth when praying to His Father in heaven. He was depicting how even in sinless humanity it is necessary to have a vital prayer life in order to do His Father’s will. Jesus' praying to the Father was a demonstration of His relationship within the Trinity and an example for us that we must rely on God through prayer for the strength and wisdom we need. Since Christ, as the God-man, needed to have a vibrant prayer life, so should the follower of Christ today.

handshake
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Sep 7, 2018 8:39 PM CST Is Jesus Christ God, Prophet or Michael the Archangel & where in the Bible is Trinity mentioned ?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
So, according to men, inspired by God, who wrote the Bible, Jesus in the Bible is God the Father in the Bible. And if they are one and the same, how can one die and not the other? And, in the same light, how can someone dead resurrect them-self. confused
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Sep 8, 2018 2:43 AM CST Is Jesus Christ God, Prophet or Michael the Archangel & where in the Bible is Trinity mentioned ?
Cervatilla
CervatillaCervatillaThe Reef, Canary Islands Spain1 Threads 132 Posts
britishcolumbian: I’ve never heard God named Yhvh. Is this abbreviated for Yahweh? And so Jesus Christ is the only Begotten son Of God whose brothers are in hell too, including Satan (a.k.a Lucifer)

No one is in hell, not until after the great tribulation and the judgement will some go to hell and be judged
yes they are BC the abyss is as I mentioned in my comment xx
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Sep 8, 2018 2:45 AM CST Is Jesus Christ God, Prophet or Michael the Archangel & where in the Bible is Trinity mentioned ?
Cervatilla
CervatillaCervatillaThe Reef, Canary Islands Spain1 Threads 132 Posts
ysabeljhen: BC

I just want to add


There is no problem with God the Son praying or talking to God the Father. As mentioned, they had an eternal relationship before Christ became a man. This relationship is depicted in the Gospels so we can see how the Son of God in His humanity carried out His Father's will, and in doing so, purchased redemption for His children (John 6:38). Christ’s continual submission to His heavenly Father was empowered and kept focused through His prayer life. Christ’s example of prayer is ours to follow.

Jesus Christ was no less God on earth when praying to His Father in heaven. He was depicting how even in sinless humanity it is necessary to have a vital prayer life in order to do His Father’s will. Jesus' praying to the Father was a demonstration of His relationship within the Trinity and an example for us that we must rely on God through prayer for the strength and wisdom we need. Since Christ, as the God-man, needed to have a vibrant prayer life, so should the follower of Christ today.
No my love there is no trinity in the Bible Jesus is Michael today & is a god as are all those in heaven & those still on earth who have the real truth we are known as angels messengers Christs & Messiahs & we have eternal life even still on earth
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Sep 8, 2018 2:56 AM CST Is Jesus Christ God, Prophet or Michael the Archangel & where in the Bible is Trinity mentioned ?
Cervatilla
CervatillaCervatillaThe Reef, Canary Islands Spain1 Threads 132 Posts
galrads: So, according to men, inspired by God, who wrote the Bible, Jesus in the Bible is God the Father in the Bible. And if they are one and the same, how can one die and not the other? And, in the same light, how can someone dead resurrect them-self.
No Michael is different from the Father Yhvh he was the first creation & by & through him all other things were created.


The thousand year reign of Jesus is now well & truly over & we are all in the low plain of decision this is a crucial time for all mankind whether they are to be sheep or goats. I feel so sad for atheists who refuse to listen to anything at all crying
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Sep 8, 2018 3:00 AM CST Is Jesus Christ God, Prophet or Michael the Archangel & where in the Bible is Trinity mentioned ?
Cervatilla
CervatillaCervatillaThe Reef, Canary Islands Spain1 Threads 132 Posts
please mail me Ysabel xx
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