Coming to terms with our most existential fear. ( Archived) (23)

Sep 14, 2018 2:31 AM CST Coming to terms with our most existential fear.
MisterForYou
MisterForYouMisterForYouValletta, Majjistral Malta87 Threads 16 Polls 962 Posts
Death is a taboo in contemporary culture. It is treated as an embarrassment, somehow shameful and something that is kept out of the public eye. Your thoughts?

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Sep 14, 2018 2:56 AM CST Coming to terms with our most existential fear.
pKrema
pKremapKremaAt home, Shumen Bulgaria6 Threads 4,707 Posts
I don't think it is a taboo...
But there's nothing beautiful in dying and that's why people don't want to see much of it...
It brings out your fear of getting old and helpless...or ill and suffering...
Nobody want to see the pain as something normal...not when we are all heading that way...sooner or later...
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Sep 14, 2018 2:57 AM CST Coming to terms with our most existential fear.
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
MisterForYou: Death is a taboo in contemporary culture. It is treated as an embarrassment, somehow shameful and something that is kept out of the public eye. Your thoughts?

People were a lot more aware of their own mortality and morbidity when dying at 36 with rotten teeth was the norm, when you joined the army as a soldier there was a good chance of dying in battle.

In good times the first casualities are religiosity and poetry shortly followed by creativity, imagination and heroism. The1960s saw the decline of religiosity, but it took another 20 years before creativity and character dried up completely and we arrived at the Reagan.Thatcher 1980s with its wholesale death of new ideas and the rise of average in all things.
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Sep 14, 2018 3:00 AM CST Coming to terms with our most existential fear.
deedee123xo
deedee123xodeedee123xoLimerick, Ireland15 Threads 3,538 Posts
MisterForYou: Death is a taboo in contemporary culture. It is treated as an embarrassment, somehow shameful and something that is kept out of the public eye. Your thoughts?

I think there is a beauty in death to a man/woman who has lived a full life...hopefully raised a loving family ...took every opportunity in life that was offered to them and live life like it was meant to.

Sadly those cases are in the minority...and most often it's met with pain.

My grandmother lived a full life...and she died of old age...nothing else...she just slipped away with her family around her...and as much as we were sad to see her go...she did live to a good age and that is something to be celebrated in a sense.
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Sep 14, 2018 3:02 AM CST Coming to terms with our most existential fear.
MisterForYou
MisterForYouMisterForYouValletta, Majjistral Malta87 Threads 16 Polls 962 Posts
Modern culture has made a taboo of death. The act of death is hidden away, as if it's something shameful. We retract in horror from ill-health and old age. This age of denial alienates people from the seminal experience of the end of life. In previous times, 3 generations would live under one roof and care for each other, til the end. Today, like a sick dog or a cat, we are shunted off to palliative care to handle the ugly bits.
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Sep 14, 2018 3:04 AM CST Coming to terms with our most existential fear.
deedee123xo
deedee123xodeedee123xoLimerick, Ireland15 Threads 3,538 Posts
MisterForYou: Modern culture has made a taboo of death. The act of death is hidden away, as if it's something shameful. We retract in horror from ill-health and old age. This age of denial alienates people from the seminal experience of the end of life. In previous times, 3 generations would live under one roof and care for each other, til the end. Today, like a sick dog or a cat, we are shunted off to palliative care to handle the ugly bits.
I don't think the "shame" you are referring to has anything to do with death and more societies treatment and attitudes towards aging....not dying.
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Sep 14, 2018 3:14 AM CST Coming to terms with our most existential fear.
MisterForYou: Death is a taboo in contemporary culture. It is treated as an embarrassment, somehow shameful and something that is kept out of the public eye. Your thoughts?

Where I come from, the dying are treated with respect and dignity, their passing a time for loved ones to mourn but also to celebrate a life hopefully well-lived

No taboo here confused
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Sep 14, 2018 3:18 AM CST Coming to terms with our most existential fear.
ChesneyChrist: People were a lot more aware of their own mortality and morbidity when dying at 36 with rotten teeth was the norm, when you joined the army as a soldier there was a good chance of dying in battle.

In good times the first casualities are religiosity and poetry shortly followed by creativity, imagination and heroism. The1960s saw the decline of religiosity, but it took another 20 years before creativity and character dried up completely and we arrived at the Reagan.Thatcher 1980s with its wholesale death of new ideas and the rise of average in all things.
Very interesting second paragraph. It reminds me of an Irish writer who has said that one generation of prosperity (in Ireland) has done more damage to the catholic church than centuries of oppression.
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Sep 14, 2018 3:20 AM CST Coming to terms with our most existential fear.
Arthur_Sixpence
Arthur_SixpenceArthur_SixpenceEnnis, Clare Ireland51 Threads 4 Polls 1,001 Posts
I've no problem with dying, so long as it's quick and painless and I have 'things in order'...
My kids are healthy and making their own ways in life, and if life's not been the greatest success, it's been far from a failure, I've had a good shot..
I was watching a program about a disaster at sea (the north sea in fact) and it was mentioned about how quickly one would due of hypothermia... Quick, painless...and while I'm not a person to think about taking his own life, it gave me pause for thought...
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Sep 14, 2018 3:21 AM CST Coming to terms with our most existential fear.
MsContessa
MsContessaMsContessaMayo, Ireland24 Threads 1,227 Posts
MisterForYou: Death is a taboo in contemporary culture. It is treated as an embarrassment, somehow shameful and something that is kept out of the public eye. Your thoughts?

Death is part of life. For the most part, people fear death less when they are less responsible for another human being ie a young child or a dependent adult child... otherwise it should be a time to celebrate a life that was well lived. If it was a life that brought you pain then the celebration (inner) should be even greater...
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Sep 14, 2018 3:37 AM CST Coming to terms with our most existential fear.
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
If nothing else hard times of the past favour you to experience god's rich tapestry of emotion which allows you to take what is immensely painful and turn it into a source of strength.

But the material world doesn't really do this whether it's the plastics in America or the communists. They share that linear view of progress and that one-dimension of emotion ignoring the fact that good times make weak people and weak people make bad times.
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Sep 14, 2018 3:44 AM CST Coming to terms with our most existential fear.
I don't really fear death but I've been having this thought lately:

'Every day I live is one day nearer to the time I'll die'

I don't view it negatively but it does make me aware that I should not be wasting my time (unless I'm enjoying it!). There is no time to feel unhappy or sorry for oneself. Somebody said you should write down three things you are grateful for each day. It's so easy for most of us and they can be little things so it's no big deal.

Today? I feel lucky that I'm physically well, the weather is fine and my internet connection is up and running so i can spout my little insignificant thoughts here to share with you. Better things to feel grateful for? Of course, but three little things could at least make you aware that you are alive and that life is a privilege!

cheers
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Sep 14, 2018 4:05 AM CST Coming to terms with our most existential fear.
daniela777
daniela777daniela777Mi Paraiso, Murcia Spain44 Threads 2,714 Posts
deedee123xo: I think there is a beauty in death to a man/woman who has lived a full life...hopefully raised a loving family ...took every opportunity in life that was offered to them and live life like it was meant to.

Sadly those cases are in the minority...and most often it's met with pain.

My grandmother lived a full life...and she died of old age...nothing else...she just slipped away with her family around her...and as much as we were sad to see her go...she did live to a good age and that is something to be celebrated in a sense.
thumbs up
My grandmother died at 98 in her sleep and my mother is now 94 and probably will as well.

Hi Dee wave
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Sep 14, 2018 4:08 AM CST Coming to terms with our most existential fear.
MsContessa
MsContessaMsContessaMayo, Ireland24 Threads 1,227 Posts
John333333: I don't really fear death but I've been having this thought lately:

'Every day I live is one day nearer to the time I'll die'

I don't view it negatively but it does make me aware that I should not be wasting my time (unless I'm enjoying it!). There is no time to feel unhappy or sorry for oneself. Somebody said you should write down three things you are grateful for each day. It's so easy for most of us and they can be little things so it's no big deal.

Today? I feel lucky that I'm physically well, the weather is fine and my internet connection is up and running so i can spout my little insignificant thoughts here to share with you. Better things to feel grateful for? Of course, but three little things could at least make you aware that you are alive and that life is a privilege!
Think..... Colonel Harland David Sanders! Life is for living every day that you live it. If one enjoys wasting time then it is not wasted!
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Sep 14, 2018 4:10 AM CST Coming to terms with our most existential fear.
deedee123xo
deedee123xodeedee123xoLimerick, Ireland15 Threads 3,538 Posts
daniela777: My grandmother died at 98 in her sleep and my mother is now 94 and probably will as well.

Hi Dee
Fab ages .

Hi Dan.
Can you message me...tried to pm u and I can't.
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Sep 14, 2018 4:30 AM CST Coming to terms with our most existential fear.
daniela777
daniela777daniela777Mi Paraiso, Murcia Spain44 Threads 2,714 Posts
deedee123xo: Fab ages .

Hi Dan.
Can you message me...tried to pm u and I can't.
Dee, I have changed the age so you should now be able to?

I cannot PM you as I am not a man and cannot change my gender either. blushing
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Sep 14, 2018 4:34 AM CST Coming to terms with our most existential fear.
PeKaatje
PeKaatjePeKaatjeAnkeveen, North Holland Netherlands59 Threads 3 Polls 6,334 Posts
Dying ain't a taboo with me, I died myself almost when I was 13, menigitis. If my parents would have stayed in bed 30 minutes longer that morning I wouldn't be here anymore.

So I learned to accept death, I even call it my friend. When things are looking real bad and you can't solve your problems anymore, and noone will help you, you can choose to kill yourself. It will be a relief to get rid of all the worries or pain you have.

And let's be real, you'll start dying the moment you are born., actually nine months earlier, when your mother gets pregnant of you.

A lot of older people don't like their life anymore, and they want to die, they're just sitting there and waiting till it's over.
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Sep 14, 2018 6:11 AM CST Coming to terms with our most existential fear.
bodleing2
bodleing2bodleing2Manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK84 Threads 6,132 Posts
My Grandfather died peacefully in his sleep.

Which is more than can be said for his passengers, they were all screaming and shouting at the time.

laugh
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Sep 14, 2018 6:44 AM CST Coming to terms with our most existential fear.
mollybaby
mollybabymollybabyCork City, Cork Ireland56 Threads 8 Polls 23,608 Posts
bodleing2: My Grandfather died peacefully in his sleep.

Which is more than can be said for his passengers, they were all screaming and shouting at the time.
Bus or train driver? laugh
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Sep 14, 2018 6:58 AM CST Coming to terms with our most existential fear.
bodleing2
bodleing2bodleing2Manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK84 Threads 6,132 Posts
mollybaby: Bus or train driver?
Fokker47....uh oh

grin
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