BREXIT STICKING POINT? ( Archived) (56)

Sep 24, 2018 7:39 AM CST BREXIT STICKING POINT?
Hunkydoree
HunkydoreeHunkydoreeKircubbin, Down Ireland7 Threads 31 Posts
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. As a DIY'er, I have long suffered from those words. The current impasse over some sort of agreement with Brussels, has left me wondering. What is the sticking point? Has anyone got the definitive answer? I AM NOT LOOKING FOR OPINIONS, here. That is, unless you label your comment as such. Vis:- "In my opinion." I would much rather see something like:- "The sticking point is" followed something that is the truth and nothing but the truth. I am not interested in bad taste remarks about either me or the subject.
NOW. Now that I have got that off my chest, I will give you my opinion.
IN MY OPINION, THE STICKING POINT IS TARRIFFS. I cannot see any other barrier to the UK continuing to trade with Europe, on a level playing field. ((as an equal partner) for those who don't like cliches). If so, then why is there a necessity for tarriffs? Surely a German BMW will be worth the same after BREXIT, as it is now? Why should it not? If Brussels impose tarriffs on the UK, then it is almost an act of war. Alright, maybe not just so extreme as that, but it is certainly not the way to treat an old friend and ally. So, I am at a loss to understand why we should have to negotiate some sort of trade deal, just because we are no longer a member of THE CLUB.
OK. Now it is your turn. Have you got the definitive answer?
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Sep 24, 2018 1:37 PM CST BREXIT STICKING POINT?
AlanStagg
AlanStaggAlanStaggRangitikei, Manawatu-Wanganui New Zealand5 Threads 107 Posts
Is Brussels actually proposing to place tarriffs on the UK's exports to the EU after Brexit? confused
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Sep 24, 2018 1:53 PM CST BREXIT STICKING POINT?
Tulefell
TulefellTulefellGothenburg, Vastra Gotaland Sweden103 Threads 5 Polls 3,295 Posts
Is Germany an old friend and ally?
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Sep 24, 2018 2:03 PM CST BREXIT STICKING POINT?
aries1234
aries1234aries1234plymout, Devon, England UK175 Threads 3 Polls 5,672 Posts
Tulefell: Is Germany an old friend and ally?
No
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Sep 24, 2018 2:12 PM CST BREXIT STICKING POINT?
In my opinion is that the "Brats from Brussels" are doing anything to get hold of our money even with foul play and, do anything to stop this country proving that it was the best thing we did by leaving this corrupt cesspit which it has come. The quicker we give them the V sign and walk away from the talks the better.
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Sep 24, 2018 2:13 PM CST BREXIT STICKING POINT?
Tulefell: Is Germany an old friend and ally?
No they will never be.
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Sep 24, 2018 2:32 PM CST BREXIT STICKING POINT?
MetaMaus
MetaMausMetaMausKilkenny, Ireland4 Threads 501 Posts
AlanStagg: Is Brussels actually proposing to place tarriffs on the UK's exports to the EU after Brexit?
That would be the natural consequence of leaving the EU without a deal; it is something that does not need to be proposed..
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Sep 24, 2018 2:36 PM CST BREXIT STICKING POINT?
MetaMaus
MetaMausMetaMausKilkenny, Ireland4 Threads 501 Posts
Hunkydoree: ...... but it is certainly not the way to treat an old friend and ally. So, I am at a loss to understand why we should have to negotiate some sort of trade deal, just because we are no longer a member of THE CLUB.
.......
Club-members get a discount at the bar, none-members pay the full price.
I don't find that to hard to understand
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Sep 24, 2018 2:42 PM CST BREXIT STICKING POINT?
Tulefell
TulefellTulefellGothenburg, Vastra Gotaland Sweden103 Threads 5 Polls 3,295 Posts
Sticking point is that brexiters have no cake. True fact.
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Sep 24, 2018 2:45 PM CST BREXIT STICKING POINT?
annaroach
annaroachannaroachLimerick, Ireland217 Threads 6,747 Posts
Tulefell: Sticking point is that brexiters have no cake. True fact.
So she won't be able to say , "Let then eat cake" anymore.conversing laugh
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Sep 24, 2018 3:02 PM CST BREXIT STICKING POINT?
Tulefell
TulefellTulefellGothenburg, Vastra Gotaland Sweden103 Threads 5 Polls 3,295 Posts
annaroach: So she won't be able to say , "Let then eat cake" anymore.
Well... I wouldn't be sure of that. So long they behave as royal squadron of unicorns lay a cake each every weekday.
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Sep 24, 2018 4:19 PM CST BREXIT STICKING POINT?
epirb
epirbepirbDannevirke, Hawke's Bay New Zealand32 Threads 2 Polls 7,379 Posts
Hunkydoree: A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. As a DIY'er, I have long suffered from those words. The current impasse over some sort of agreement with Brussels, has left me wondering. What is the sticking point? Has anyone got the definitive answer? I AM NOT LOOKING FOR OPINIONS, here. That is, unless you label your comment as such. Vis:- "In my opinion." I would much rather see something like:- "The sticking point is" followed something that is the truth and nothing but the truth. I am not interested in bad taste remarks about either me or the subject.
NOW. Now that I have got that off my chest, I will give you my opinion.
IN MY OPINION, THE STICKING POINT IS TARRIFFS. I cannot see any other barrier to the UK continuing to trade with Europe, on a level playing field. ((as an equal partner) for those who don't like cliches). If so, then why is there a necessity for tarriffs? Surely a German BMW will be worth the same after BREXIT, as it is now? Why should it not? If Brussels impose tarriffs on the UK, then it is almost an act of war. Alright, maybe not just so extreme as that, but it is certainly not the way to treat an old friend and ally. So, I am at a loss to understand why we should have to negotiate some sort of trade deal, just because we are no longer a member of THE CLUB.
OK. Now it is your turn. Have you got the definitive answer?
The sticking point is the UK wants out . A program of wearing the OUT voters is taking place . Subtle little things fed to them by a media long corrupt , things like linking the OUT vote to the Russians . The round heads can't even define what Brexit means in nothing more than a name . Now my old mum had a saying , " a slammed door is harder to open than one closed quietly . UK needs to slam the door on the EU dictatorship , to be out will mean a fight , you can leave by vote said no dictator ever .
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Sep 24, 2018 10:54 PM CST BREXIT STICKING POINT?
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
Hunkydoree: A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. As a DIY'er, I have long suffered from those words. The current impasse over some sort of agreement with Brussels, has left me wondering. What is the sticking point? Has anyone got the definitive answer? I AM NOT LOOKING FOR OPINIONS, here. That is, unless you label your comment as such. Vis:- "In my opinion." I would much rather see something like:- "The sticking point is" followed something that is the truth and nothing but the truth. I am not interested in bad taste remarks about either me or the subject.
NOW. Now that I have got that off my chest, I will give you my opinion.
IN MY OPINION, THE STICKING POINT IS TARRIFFS. I cannot see any other barrier to the UK continuing to trade with Europe, on a level playing field. ((as an equal partner) for those who don't like cliches). If so, then why is there a necessity for tarriffs? Surely a German BMW will be worth the same after BREXIT, as it is now? Why should it not? If Brussels impose tarriffs on the UK, then it is almost an act of war. Alright, maybe not just so extreme as that, but it is certainly not the way to treat an old friend and ally. So, I am at a loss to understand why we should have to negotiate some sort of trade deal, just because we are no longer a member of THE CLUB.
OK. Now it is your turn. Have you got the definitive answer?
On average tariffs don't amount to very much beween first world countries, and they're quite right to be low. Standards are the thing to fall out over, our rules are different to their rules which makes playing the game rather difficult.
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Sep 24, 2018 11:10 PM CST BREXIT STICKING POINT?
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
As NOT a full member anymore,
Then
you have to pay more for your products entering EU.-
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Sep 24, 2018 11:27 PM CST BREXIT STICKING POINT?
AlanStagg
AlanStaggAlanStaggRangitikei, Manawatu-Wanganui New Zealand5 Threads 107 Posts
chris27292729: As NOT a full member anymore,
Then
you have to pay more for your products entering EU.-
Why? confused
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Sep 24, 2018 11:49 PM CST BREXIT STICKING POINT?
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
AlanStagg: Why?
Because the same products from UK,
are produced in EU as well.-
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Sep 25, 2018 1:55 AM CST BREXIT STICKING POINT?
AlanStagg
AlanStaggAlanStaggRangitikei, Manawatu-Wanganui New Zealand5 Threads 107 Posts
chris27292729: Because the same products from UK,
are produced in EU as well.-
In New Zealand, we don't have tarriffs on anything... nada, zilch tarriffs on anything we import, even if we make the same or a similar item here. It works just fine for us and keeps consumer costs down.

What we do have though, is anti-dumping laws, where the E.U. for example, cannot export product to New Zealand at simply the cost of manfacture or less (dumping).

You E.U. people should try this some time instead of allowing yourselves to be ripped of with inflated protectionist prices of local products.
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Sep 25, 2018 2:19 AM CST BREXIT STICKING POINT?
chris27292729: Because the same products from UK,
are produced in EU as well.-
Remember the goods will carry import duties coming into the UK from mainland europe so the growers in mainland europe will be hit very hard when we get our produce form non EU countries, so many growers will be hit hard or go bust.
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Sep 25, 2018 2:24 AM CST BREXIT STICKING POINT?
MetaMaus: Club-members get a discount at the bar, none-members pay the full price.
I don't find that to hard to understand
But remember these club members will also find that their income will go down as they will loose their sales due to former members of their club with their new club doing the same. Also their club fees will go up as well due to the lost income form the membership they have lost.
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Sep 25, 2018 5:36 AM CST BREXIT STICKING POINT?
MsContessa
MsContessaMsContessaMayo, Ireland24 Threads 1,227 Posts
Hunkydoree: A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. As a DIY'er, I have long suffered from those words. The current impasse over some sort of agreement with Brussels, has left me wondering. What is the sticking point? Has anyone got the definitive answer? I AM NOT LOOKING FOR OPINIONS, here. That is, unless you label your comment as such. Vis:- "In my opinion." I would much rather see something like:- "The sticking point is" followed something that is the truth and nothing but the truth. I am not interested in bad taste remarks about either me or the subject.
NOW. Now that I have got that off my chest, I will give you my opinion.
IN MY OPINION, THE STICKING POINT IS TARRIFFS. I cannot see any other barrier to the UK continuing to trade with Europe, on a level playing field. ((as an equal partner) for those who don't like cliches). If so, then why is there a necessity for tarriffs? Surely a German BMW will be worth the same after BREXIT, as it is now? Why should it not? If Brussels impose tarriffs on the UK, then it is almost an act of war. Alright, maybe not just so extreme as that, but it is certainly not the way to treat an old friend and ally. So, I am at a loss to understand why we should have to negotiate some sort of trade deal, just because we are no longer a member of THE CLUB.
OK. Now it is your turn. Have you got the definitive answer?
After Brexit the UK will step outside of the Maastricht Treaty and others since, they will step outside of the free movement of people - alongside free movement of goods, services and capital. The UK are experiencing what is equivalent to a devalued pound since the Brexit vote which is great for exports and a hugh boost to the economy! The UK is also still governed by stringent fiscal policies, human rights laws and most importantly for workers a workers charter...
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