Did man create God (204)
aries1234: The normal way of looking at it , is god created every thing, perhaps at some point, thinking man, who could not explain the cosmos and his position in it, came up with the idea that a supernatural being, omni potent and omni present, created everything in the universe and beyond.
It often baffles me ... why did man ever create God? I mean, let’s face it, by nature man is rebellious. So rebellious, in fact, that he has to have this “conscience” that decides what is right and wrong for him. And what’s right for me is wrong for the next person (based on our upbringing). So please do tell me ... why did man create a Being greater than himself to tell him what he needs to do when, quite frankly, man doesn't like to be pushed around ... especially by someone that you cannot presumably see?
I would say that God created the universe and everything.
But man created God.
I think Pedro has about 144 threads on this subject already.It often baffles me ... why did man ever create God? I mean, let’s face it, by nature man is rebellious. So rebellious, in fact, that he has to have this “conscience” that decides what is right and wrong for him. And what’s right for me is wrong for the next person (based on our upbringing). So please do tell me ... why did man create a Being greater than himself to tell him what he needs to do when, quite frankly, man doesn't like to be pushed around ... especially by someone that you cannot presumably see?
I would say that God created the universe and everything.
But man created God.
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galrads: I think Pedro has about 144 threads on this subject already.
Name one.any way this is a new perspective
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man created God, Muslims created Allah.
The reason why they did this is because they needed something to hold on to when things were going real bad. This happened many millenia ago.
The Greek had their Gods, the Jewish had God, the Romans had their Gods, also vikings, Indians and so on.
I guess, while the Jewish people were swerving all over the world, they preached about their God, and governments saw it was for economic reasons more practical, than to have many Gods.
People like Donald Trump also has only one God: Money.
The reason why they did this is because they needed something to hold on to when things were going real bad. This happened many millenia ago.
The Greek had their Gods, the Jewish had God, the Romans had their Gods, also vikings, Indians and so on.
I guess, while the Jewish people were swerving all over the world, they preached about their God, and governments saw it was for economic reasons more practical, than to have many Gods.
People like Donald Trump also has only one God: Money.
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Anyway,
We have the old and the new testament. Maybe someone should write the newest Testament, it may make him or her very rich.
We have the old and the new testament. Maybe someone should write the newest Testament, it may make him or her very rich.
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we are lucky that we are around thanks to Noah.
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aries1234: The normal way of looking at it , is god created every thing, perhaps at some point, thinking man, who could not explain the cosmos and his position in it, came up with the idea that a supernatural being, omni potent and omni present, created everything in the universe and beyond.
It often baffles me ... why did man ever create God? I mean, let’s face it, by nature man is rebellious. So rebellious, in fact, that he has to have this “conscience” that decides what is right and wrong for him. And what’s right for me is wrong for the next person (based on our upbringing). So please do tell me ... why did man create a Being greater than himself to tell him what he needs to do when, quite frankly, man doesn't like to be pushed around ... especially by someone that you cannot presumably see?
I would say that God created the universe and everything.
But man created God.
I agree 100%...It often baffles me ... why did man ever create God? I mean, let’s face it, by nature man is rebellious. So rebellious, in fact, that he has to have this “conscience” that decides what is right and wrong for him. And what’s right for me is wrong for the next person (based on our upbringing). So please do tell me ... why did man create a Being greater than himself to tell him what he needs to do when, quite frankly, man doesn't like to be pushed around ... especially by someone that you cannot presumably see?
I would say that God created the universe and everything.
But man created God.
I'm not a theologian, and neither am I creationist... I follow what has been scientifically written, though I've not read books on the subject, I would say from bits of information I've gone over, Darwin, Sagan, Hawking and other learned men of the sciences have provided more evidence to satisfy my beliefs in evolution, both geological and organic, than religious and pagan doctrine and those that promote it...
A good topic, let's hope it gets constructive debate...
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PeKaatje: Anyway,
We have the old and the new testament. Maybe someone should write the newest Testament, it may make him or her very rich.
thanks for your comment so you think man created God,We have the old and the new testament. Maybe someone should write the newest Testament, it may make him or her very rich.
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Arthur_Sixpence: I agree 100%...
I'm not a theologian, and neither am I creationist... I follow what has been scientifically written, though I've not read books on the subject, I would say from bits of information I've gone over, Darwin, Sagan, Hawking and other learned men of the sciences have provided more evidence to satisfy my beliefs in evolution, both geological and organic, than religious and pagan doctrine and those that promote it...
A good topic, let's hope it gets constructive debate...
Thank you for your constructive comment.I'm not a theologian, and neither am I creationist... I follow what has been scientifically written, though I've not read books on the subject, I would say from bits of information I've gone over, Darwin, Sagan, Hawking and other learned men of the sciences have provided more evidence to satisfy my beliefs in evolution, both geological and organic, than religious and pagan doctrine and those that promote it...
A good topic, let's hope it gets constructive debate...
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stringman: we are lucky that we are around thanks to Noah.
Sorry,couldn't resist!
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aries1234: The normal way of looking at it , is god created every thing, perhaps at some point, thinking man, who could not explain the cosmos and his position in it, came up with the idea that a supernatural being, omni potent and omni present, created everything in the universe and beyond.
It often baffles me ... why did man ever create God? I mean, let’s face it, by nature man is rebellious. So rebellious, in fact, that he has to have this “conscience” that decides what is right and wrong for him. And what’s right for me is wrong for the next person (based on our upbringing). So please do tell me ... why did man create a Being greater than himself to tell him what he needs to do when, quite frankly, man doesn't like to be pushed around ... especially by someone that you cannot presumably see?
I would say that God created the universe and everything.
But man created God.
To cope with the unknown or find comfort in the face of oblivion. Faith began and in many cases remains a mental discipline to live a humble life in the face of struggle and uncertainty. Religion is the gap between the intellectual sensitivity we evolved as a species and the reality of agonising life throughout human history, religion will always be around unless modern science can be developed to cheat death completely.It often baffles me ... why did man ever create God? I mean, let’s face it, by nature man is rebellious. So rebellious, in fact, that he has to have this “conscience” that decides what is right and wrong for him. And what’s right for me is wrong for the next person (based on our upbringing). So please do tell me ... why did man create a Being greater than himself to tell him what he needs to do when, quite frankly, man doesn't like to be pushed around ... especially by someone that you cannot presumably see?
I would say that God created the universe and everything.
But man created God.
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I've posted this a few times in response to this type of question, but I don't think many quite get it.
"When we take the gods as facts, rather than metaphors, then we get lost in debating the merits of the facts rather than apprehending their meaning. The fundamentalist ties his or her beliefs to the facts and narrows the spiritual vitality by fighting rear-guard actions against disputation. On the other hand, the atheist disputes the evidence, gets confused by the institutional forms to which he or she has been exposed, and misses the possible deepening which occurs whenever one confronts the meaning of divinity."
James Hollis...Mythologrms:Incarnations of The Invisible World.
"When we take the gods as facts, rather than metaphors, then we get lost in debating the merits of the facts rather than apprehending their meaning. The fundamentalist ties his or her beliefs to the facts and narrows the spiritual vitality by fighting rear-guard actions against disputation. On the other hand, the atheist disputes the evidence, gets confused by the institutional forms to which he or she has been exposed, and misses the possible deepening which occurs whenever one confronts the meaning of divinity."
James Hollis...Mythologrms:Incarnations of The Invisible World.
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aries1234: The normal way of looking at it , is god created every thing, perhaps at some point, thinking man, who could not explain the cosmos and his position in it, came up with the idea that a supernatural being, omni potent and omni present, created everything in the universe and beyond.
It often baffles me ... why did man ever create God? I mean, let’s face it, by nature man is rebellious. So rebellious, in fact, that he has to have this “conscience” that decides what is right and wrong for him. And what’s right for me is wrong for the next person (based on our upbringing). So please do tell me ... why did man create a Being greater than himself to tell him what he needs to do when, quite frankly, man doesn't like to be pushed around ... especially by someone that you cannot presumably see?
I would say that God created the universe and everything.
But man created God.
https://www.news24.com/MyNews24/Why-Did-Man-Create-God-20120612It often baffles me ... why did man ever create God? I mean, let’s face it, by nature man is rebellious. So rebellious, in fact, that he has to have this “conscience” that decides what is right and wrong for him. And what’s right for me is wrong for the next person (based on our upbringing). So please do tell me ... why did man create a Being greater than himself to tell him what he needs to do when, quite frankly, man doesn't like to be pushed around ... especially by someone that you cannot presumably see?
I would say that God created the universe and everything.
But man created God.
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PeKaatje: man created God, Muslims created Allah.
The reason why they did this is because they needed something to hold on to when things were going real bad. This happened many millenia ago.
The Greek had their Gods, the Jewish had God, the Romans had their Gods, also vikings, Indians and so on.
I guess, while the Jewish people were swerving all over the world, they preached about their God, and governments saw it was for economic reasons more practical, than to have many Gods.
People like Donald Trump also has only one God: Money.
There's much to be taken from your reply, but as I see it, the idea of having a God going way way back would have been to explain away the unfathomable complexities that early man had to contend with, the elements, day and night, the seasons....things before science became a discipline...The reason why they did this is because they needed something to hold on to when things were going real bad. This happened many millenia ago.
The Greek had their Gods, the Jewish had God, the Romans had their Gods, also vikings, Indians and so on.
I guess, while the Jewish people were swerving all over the world, they preached about their God, and governments saw it was for economic reasons more practical, than to have many Gods.
People like Donald Trump also has only one God: Money.
The diversification of the 'particular God' is a worrying trend, particularly when act are committed in the name of a God and a system of beliefs....and Allah is but one of many in a string of holy wars, but that's a topic for another time... For many a year, I've wondered, (and living in a predominantly catholic country) what draws people to the church?, I can only come to the conclusion that there's a genuine wish to believe in something greater than themselves, atonement perhaps, maybe the spirit and the soul... I believe when I die, I go back to the ground, and the cycle of life carries on... Jeez, my head is spinning with the possibilities of answers here...
I won't argue with those that have a belief in God, and that the belief gives them strength, but my belief comes from more tangible things...
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bodleing2: I've posted this a few times in response to this type of question, but I don't think many quite get it.
"When we take the gods as facts, rather than metaphors, then we get lost in debating the merits of the facts rather than apprehending their meaning. The fundamentalist ties his or her beliefs to the facts and narrows the spiritual vitality by fighting rear-guard actions against disputation. On the other hand, the atheist disputes the evidence, gets confused by the institutional forms to which he or she has been exposed, and misses the possible deepening which occurs whenever one confronts the meaning of divinity."
James Hollis...Mythologrms:Incarnations of The Invisible World.
So would you consider religion allegorical.?"When we take the gods as facts, rather than metaphors, then we get lost in debating the merits of the facts rather than apprehending their meaning. The fundamentalist ties his or her beliefs to the facts and narrows the spiritual vitality by fighting rear-guard actions against disputation. On the other hand, the atheist disputes the evidence, gets confused by the institutional forms to which he or she has been exposed, and misses the possible deepening which occurs whenever one confronts the meaning of divinity."
James Hollis...Mythologrms:Incarnations of The Invisible World.
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Arthur_Sixpence: There's much to be taken from your reply, but as I see it, the idea of having a God going way way back would have been to explain away the unfathomable complexities that early man had to contend with, the elements, day and night, the seasons....things before science became a discipline...
The diversification of the 'particular God' is a worrying trend, particularly when act are committed in the name of a God and a system of beliefs....and Allah is but one of many in a string of holy wars, but that's a topic for another time... For many a year, I've wondered, (and living in a predominantly catholic country) what draws people to the church?, I can only come to the conclusion that there's a genuine wish to believe in something greater than themselves, atonement perhaps, maybe the spirit and the soul... I believe when I die, I go back to the ground, and the cycle of life carries on... Jeez, my head is spinning with the possibilities of answers here...
I won't argue with those that have a belief in God, and that the belief gives them strength, but my belief comes from more tangible things...
As long as your beliefs are restricted to that which is tangible, you will never experience that which isn't. The diversification of the 'particular God' is a worrying trend, particularly when act are committed in the name of a God and a system of beliefs....and Allah is but one of many in a string of holy wars, but that's a topic for another time... For many a year, I've wondered, (and living in a predominantly catholic country) what draws people to the church?, I can only come to the conclusion that there's a genuine wish to believe in something greater than themselves, atonement perhaps, maybe the spirit and the soul... I believe when I die, I go back to the ground, and the cycle of life carries on... Jeez, my head is spinning with the possibilities of answers here...
I won't argue with those that have a belief in God, and that the belief gives them strength, but my belief comes from more tangible things...
God, or whatever term you use for the force of nature, is not tangible, nor knowable with the thinking mind.
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aries1234: So would you consider religion allegorical.?
I was once told by a very wise spiritual master, "To find god, you have to go beyond religion, and observe."I believe religion points us in a certain direction, a bit like following signposts, but that's all it can do.
Ultimately, we have to do our own searching.
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bodleing2: As long as your beliefs are restricted to that which is tangible, you will never experience that which isn't.
God, or whatever term you use for the force of nature, is not tangible, nor knowable with the thinking mind.
i agree that it is not knowable, so not understandable with the human brain with everyday thinking, but i believe some get a glimpse of it using thinking techniques removed from everyday thinking.God, or whatever term you use for the force of nature, is not tangible, nor knowable with the thinking mind.
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aries1234: i agree that it is not knowable, so not understandable with the human brain with everyday thinking, but i believe some get a glimpse of it using thinking techniques removed from everyday thinking.
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bodleing2: As long as your beliefs are restricted to that which is tangible, you will never experience that which isn't.
God, or whatever term you use for the force of nature, is not tangible, nor knowable with the thinking mind.
In fairness, I'd be way of my league trying to discus that which I can't see or perceive... I am comfortable with my reality, and yes, for some, the question may be, can I be happy not having the comfort of a belief... I'm sixty years old, and fifty of those have been me in this mind space...all good so far....God, or whatever term you use for the force of nature, is not tangible, nor knowable with the thinking mind.
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It often baffles me ... why did man ever create God? I mean, let’s face it, by nature man is rebellious. So rebellious, in fact, that he has to have this “conscience” that decides what is right and wrong for him. And what’s right for me is wrong for the next person (based on our upbringing). So please do tell me ... why did man create a Being greater than himself to tell him what he needs to do when, quite frankly, man doesn't like to be pushed around ... especially by someone that you cannot presumably see?
I would say that God created the universe and everything.
But man created God.