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Oct 30, 2018 4:46 PM CST Stopping birth right citizenship
Can an executive order really make it possible?

It's going to be a very interesting change if it's even possible.
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Oct 30, 2018 4:50 PM CST Stopping birth right citizenship
CossackCat
CossackCatCossackCatSomewhere, Maryland USA492 Threads 45 Polls 9,137 Posts
(6:09) ARE WE ACTUALLY GOING TO SEE THE END OF BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS?

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Oct 30, 2018 4:50 PM CST Stopping birth right citizenship
lindsyjones: Can an executive order really make it possible?

It's going to be a very interesting change if it's even possible.
I don't know if it is possible but I would certainly back it as too many people just take advantage of lax laws ,,,
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Oct 30, 2018 4:51 PM CST Stopping birth right citizenship
Sir_T
Sir_TSir_TLimerick, Ireland4 Threads 598 Posts
As I have explained in your blog, the answer is no, no matter how much you want to give Trump the power to rewrite the US constitution at his whim.

If you dont believe me, this article was written in Febuary 2017 So this question has come up before



Contrary to certain internet rumors, President Donald Trump hasn't altered the U.S. Constitution. Yet. But could he if he wanted to?

Trump has proposed constitutional amendments in the past and it's no secret that there are provisions in our nation's founding documents with which our new president disagrees. So the question with President Trump is not so much whether he would like to change the Constitution, but whether he can.

By Himself

No president can unilaterally alter, rewrite, or amend the Constitution. What presidents, as the head of the executive branch, are able to do is direct how laws pertaining to constitutional rights are to be enforced, via executive orders. For example, former President Barack Obama couldn't rewrite the Second Amendment, but he could take executive action on firearm licensing requirements and background checks for gun purchases.

Yet even executive orders have constitutional limits, as President Trump has learned. Presidents, and the executive branch, must still comply with the Constitution, and therefore can't change it by themselves.

Through Congress

Right now Republicans control both the House and the Senate, so Trump could pressure Congress to propose and pass constitutional amendments. But even that isn't a slam dunk. Trump would need two-thirds of both the House and the Senate to approve a constitutional amendment. And even with the largest Republican majority since the 1930s (54 out of 100 Senators and 247 out of 435 Representatives), the GOP still probably lacks the numbers to push a constitutional amendment through.

Even if Congress approved an amendment, 75 percent of the states would need to ratify it. Trump won 30 of the 50 states in the 2016 election, or 60 percent.
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Oct 30, 2018 4:53 PM CST Stopping birth right citizenship
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
lindsyjones: Can an executive order really make it possible?

It's going to be a very interesting change if it's even possible.
I think it is possible for potus to do this but not without judicial approval..
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Oct 30, 2018 5:00 PM CST Stopping birth right citizenship
CossackCat: (6:09) ARE WE ACTUALLY GOING TO SEE THE END OF BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS?

That's what I'm interested to know Cossack. wave
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Oct 30, 2018 5:02 PM CST Stopping birth right citizenship
michaelright: I don't know if it is possible but I would certainly back it as too many people just take advantage of lax laws ,,,
I agree. I can see that as a good change. But as part of the amendment in our constitution, can an executive order really make it stopped?
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Oct 30, 2018 5:02 PM CST Stopping birth right citizenship
galrads: I think it is possible for potus to do this but not without judicial approval..
an EO will guaranty it ends up at SCOTUS!laugh
And that's the whole purpose of the Exercise!grin

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Oct 30, 2018 5:03 PM CST Stopping birth right citizenship
galrads: I think it is possible for potus to do this but not without judicial approval..
Galrads, if an executive order can possibly over ride any of that, I'm sure he's going to do it. I'm looking at opposition if there's any.
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Oct 30, 2018 5:04 PM CST Stopping birth right citizenship
Conrad73: an EO will guaranty it ends up at SCOTUS!
And that's the whole purpose of the Exercise!

Then given the SCOTUS favorable position, it is a done deal then C.
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Oct 30, 2018 5:05 PM CST Stopping birth right citizenship
Sir_T
Sir_TSir_TLimerick, Ireland4 Threads 598 Posts
How many times can you be told "no?"

Ok, do you really want to give, say, President Hillary Clinton the power to stop the second amendment whenever she wants? Yes, its the same question.
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Oct 30, 2018 5:07 PM CST Stopping birth right citizenship
Sir_T: How many times can you be told "no?"

Ok, do you really want to give, say, President Hillary Clinton the power to stop the second amendment whenever she wants? Yes, its the same question.
CowDung!rolling on the floor laughing
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Oct 30, 2018 5:08 PM CST Stopping birth right citizenship
Sir_T
Sir_TSir_TLimerick, Ireland4 Threads 598 Posts
Conrad73: an EO will guaranty it ends up at SCOTUS!
And that's the whole purpose of the Exercise!

Quoting

If Graham is going to propose legislation to amend the Constitution, his bill would need to win over not only two-thirds majorities in Congress, but also be ratified by three-quarters of the states.

Good luck with that.

And as I said on your blog, if you think Alito would override stuff the founders said in black and white, you are out of your tiny mind.
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Oct 30, 2018 5:09 PM CST Stopping birth right citizenship
lindsyjones: Galrads, if an executive order can possibly over ride any of that, I'm sure he's going to do it. I'm looking at opposition if there's any.
your president seems to be talking sense all the way even though so many disagree ,but what he's doing is simply right ..
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Oct 30, 2018 5:10 PM CST Stopping birth right citizenship
Sir_T
Sir_TSir_TLimerick, Ireland4 Threads 598 Posts
Conrad73: CowDung!
You shouldn't talk about yourself and your arguments like that. teddybear You are a child of God and deserve more respect.

Anyway, Its pretty likely thinking about it that SCOTUS would simply deny cert and ignore it rather than get involved.
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Oct 30, 2018 5:11 PM CST Stopping birth right citizenship
Sir_T: Quoting

If Graham is going to propose legislation to amend the Constitution, his bill would need to win over not only two-thirds majorities in Congress, but also be ratified by three-quarters of the states.

Good luck with that.

And as I said on your blog, if you think Alito would override stuff the founders said in black and white, you are out of your tiny mind.
Malarkey,T,Maaalarkey!
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Oct 30, 2018 5:11 PM CST Stopping birth right citizenship
Sir_T
Sir_TSir_TLimerick, Ireland4 Threads 598 Posts
lindsyjones: I'm looking at opposition if there's any.
Explains why you are ignoring all opposition stuff you are presented with. rolling on the floor laughing
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Oct 30, 2018 5:12 PM CST Stopping birth right citizenship
Sir_T: Quoting

If Graham is going to propose legislation to amend the Constitution, his bill would need to win over not only two-thirds majorities in Congress, but also be ratified by three-quarters of the states.

Good luck with that.

And as I said on your blog, if you think Alito would override stuff the founders said in black and white, you are out of your tiny mind.
you still got it BassAckward Old Son!
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Oct 30, 2018 5:14 PM CST Stopping birth right citizenship
michaelright: your president seems to be talking sense all the way even though so many disagree ,but what he's doing is simply right ..
Michael I'm supporting all his policies because it's for our country's benefits and I'm grateful of your recognizing it as such

So many are blind they can't fathom his commitment to MAGA
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Oct 30, 2018 5:16 PM CST Stopping birth right citizenship
Sir_T: Explains why you are ignoring all opposition stuff you are presented with.
I'm referring to the possible attack of liberals, never mind that it serves our country right.
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