Cogito ergo Sum. I perceive, therefore I am. Descartes talked about this hundreds of years ago, and you think you are smart as you are thinking of it now.
Its the basic flaw in the "demand proof" people. The only think you can be absolutely 100% totally sure about is that you, yourself, exist. Because even though you could be a brain in a jar wired up to have everything you are perceiving being transmitted to you by a scientist or computer program, the fact that you are perceiving everything means that YOU exist, otherwise there would be nothing to perceive what you are perceiving.
That's it. By your own massive standards of proof, nothing can exist. Ifd you are allowing for other things to exist and yet have that high standard just for God, you are a complete hypocrite, having totally selective standards on everything.
Enjoy living like that and calling yourself somehow "smart." I'll try and have a consistent standard, thank you.
Sir_T: Cogito ergo Sum. I perceive, therefore I am. Descartes talked about this hundreds of years ago, and you think you are smart as you are thinking of it now.
Its the basic flaw in the "demand proof" people. The only think you can be absolutely 100% totally sure about is that you, yourself, exist. Because even though you could be a brain in a jar wired up to have everything you are perceiving being transmitted to you by a scientist or computer program, the fact that you are perceiving everything means that YOU exist, otherwise there would be nothing to perceive what you are perceiving.
That's it. By your own massive standards of proof, nothing can exist. Ifd you are allowing for other things to exist and yet have that high standard just for God, you are a complete hypocrite, having totally selective standards on everything.
Enjoy living like that and calling yourself somehow "smart." I'll try and have a consistent standard, thank you.
Thank you for explaining why I said...
Using the same standard of proof they'd demand to prove the existence of God, nobody can prove "atheists" exist.
Sir_T: Cogito ergo Sum. I perceive, therefore I am. Descartes talked about this hundreds of years ago, and you think you are smart as you are thinking of it now.
Its the basic flaw in the "demand proof" people. The only think you can be absolutely 100% totally sure about is that you, yourself, exist. Because even though you could be a brain in a jar wired up to have everything you are perceiving being transmitted to you by a scientist or computer program, the fact that you are perceiving everything means that YOU exist, otherwise there would be nothing to perceive what you are perceiving.
That's it. By your own massive standards of proof, nothing can exist. Ifd you are allowing for other things to exist and yet have that high standard just for God, you are a complete hypocrite, having totally selective standards on everything.
Enjoy living like that and calling yourself somehow "smart." I'll try and have a consistent standard, thank you.
Sir_T: Cogito ergo Sum. I perceive, therefore I am. Descartes talked about this hundreds of years ago, and you think you are smart as you are thinking of it now.
Its the basic flaw in the "demand proof" people. The only think you can be absolutely 100% totally sure about is that you, yourself, exist. Because even though you could be a brain in a jar wired up to have everything you are perceiving being transmitted to you by a scientist or computer program, the fact that you are perceiving everything means that YOU exist, otherwise there would be nothing to perceive what you are perceiving.
That's it. By your own massive standards of proof, nothing can exist. Ifd you are allowing for other things to exist and yet have that high standard just for God, you are a complete hypocrite, having totally selective standards on everything.
Enjoy living like that and calling yourself somehow "smart." I'll try and have a consistent standard, thank you.
That's a good insight to the buddhist belief that all there is emptiness and appearance. What appears to our mind comes from emptiness, nothing exists from its own side, nothing is independent from our minds.
Sir_T: Cogito ergo Sum. I perceive, therefore I am. Descartes talked about this hundreds of years ago, and you think you are smart as you are thinking of it now.
Its the basic flaw in the "demand proof" people. The only think you can be absolutely 100% totally sure about is that you, yourself, exist. Because even though you could be a brain in a jar wired up to have everything you are perceiving being transmitted to you by a scientist or computer program, the fact that you are perceiving everything means that YOU exist, otherwise there would be nothing to perceive what you are perceiving.
That's it. By your own massive standards of proof, nothing can exist. Ifd you are allowing for other things to exist and yet have that high standard just for God, you are a complete hypocrite, having totally selective standards on everything.
Enjoy living like that and calling yourself somehow "smart." I'll try and have a consistent standard, thank you.
bodleing2: That's a good insight to the buddhist belief that all there is emptiness and appearance. What appears to our mind comes from emptiness, nothing exists from its own side, nothing is independent from our minds.
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. Hebrews 11:3
mykingdomforanam: Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. Hebrews 11:3
If I look out of my window and see an old oak tree, is that tree simply there, a given object in the landscape? Not at all To a neutrino, which can pass through the entire earth in a few millionths of a second, solid objects are as vaporous as fog. My nervous system must create an oak Tree from the fog of quantum data. Everything about that tree is malleable. To a proton, which takes billions of years to be born and then decay, the life of the oak tree is less than a split second To a mayfly with its lifespan of one day, the oak Tree is literally eternal. To a Druid priest, the tree would be sacred, the home of forest deities, to a logger it's just a days work. Take any quality the tree may have and it changes according to the perceiver. Now consider the environment of the tree. Every quality possessed by the air, the sea, the earth and the sun are equally under my control. In a catatonic state, I would see nothing that I see now. In a state of religious inspiration, colours, smells and sounds might be acutely sharp. This is more than a subjective shift. To perceive the world my brain must convert visual protons into sensory information. The most important point of all this is..... there is no tree out there, it's just an appearance to my mind.
Taken from my notes from How to Know God Deepak Chopra.
bodleing2: If I look out of my window and see an old oak tree, is that tree simply there, a given object in the landscape? Not at all To a neutrino, which can pass through the entire earth in a few millionths of a second, solid objects are as vaporous as fog. My nervous system must create an oak Tree from the fog of quantum data. Everything about that tree is malleable. To a proton, which takes billions of years to be born and then decay, the life of the oak tree is less than a split second To a mayfly with its lifespan of one day, the oak Tree is literally eternal. To a Druid priest, the tree would be sacred, the home of forest deities, to a logger it's just a days work. Take any quality the tree may have and it changes according to the perceiver. Now consider the environment of the tree. Every quality possessed by the air, the sea, the earth and the sun are equally under my control. In a catatonic state, I would see nothing that I see now. In a state of religious inspiration, colours, smells and sounds might be acutely sharp. This is more than a subjective shift. To perceive the world my brain must convert visual protons into sensory information. The most important point of all this is..... there is no tree out there, it's just an appearance to my mind.
Taken from my notes from How to Know God Deepak Chopra.
Very interesting concept!
Same as if a tree falls in a forest and No one is around to hear it..does it make a sound ?
bodleing2: My nervous system must create an oak Tree from the fog of quantum data. Everything about that tree is malleable.
That's wrong.
All of these things existed before you and without you...
bodleing2: To a proton, which takes billions of years to be born and then decay, the life of the oak tree is less than a split second To a mayfly with its lifespan of one day, the oak Tree is literally eternal. To a Druid priest, the tree would be sacred, the home of forest deities, to a logger it's just a days work.
The quality of a tree can change according to the perceiver...
bodleing2: Take any quality the tree may have and it changes according to the perceiver.
But you receive your perceptions from the same source as the rest of us; and since we can all be here after you're dead... you didn't create the tree.
It's common, to feel the creator living in us; and think that we're the creator: but, we're the creation. He exists in us; and we exist in him; but, he existed before and without us. We don't exist without him.
For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. Acts 17:28
All of these things existed before you and without you... The quality of a tree can change according to the perceiver...
But you receive your perceptions from the same source as the rest of us; and since we can all be here after you're dead... you didn't create the tree.
It's common, to feel the creator living in us; and think that we're the creator: but, we're the creation. He exists in us; and we exist in him; but, he existed before and without us. We don't exist without him.
For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. Acts 17:28
The tree only exist as a tree because of my perception of it. The same can be said should someone else observe the tree. Emptiness and appearance.
The God you speak of exists entirely in your mind, a force of nature that appears, you create your own god, therefore god exists.
secludedStar: Number's Don't Lie. With the existence of one there is also the chances of none.
We were all born honest, innocent and atheist, and it was when your experience of the world was enough. To simply be without all the things you've told yourself to help embellish or face reality.
Same as if a tree falls in a forest and No one is around to hear it..does it make a sound ?
Haha, I once asked a Buddhist nun that question, she said, no because the tree doesn't exist. I think she was joking. But, if a tree falls in a forest, the air will vibrate, if there are no eardrums around to pick up those vibrations, it could be argued that there is no sound. That is connectivity, cause and effect.
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bodleing2: Haha, I once asked a Buddhist nun that question, she said, no because the tree doesn't exist. I think she was joking. But, if a tree falls in a forest, the air will vibrate, if there are no eardrums around to pick up those vibrations, it could be argued that there is no sound. That is connectivity, cause and effect.
Do you know if that buddhist nun would like to give a testimony?
I am not so sure of what existed before be and what i created, i have been contemplating these things because of so many of these discussions and i believe my soul existed in a time when there was nothing. Yet the energy part of my being connects me to other things and aliens made my body.
bodleing2: The tree only exist as a tree because of my perception of it. The same can be said should someone else observe the tree. Emptiness and appearance.
The God you speak of exists entirely in your mind, a force of nature that appears, you create your own god, therefore god exists.
I don't perceive any oak trees.
They don't exist anywhere near Hawaii; and I vaguely remember seeing pictures of them.
In fact, after all the hurricanes and fires, I don't believe there's any oak trees left on earth.
So, maybe the nun was right; and you're not really perceiving a tree.
The God I perceive, exists in everything and we exist in him, before and after me; therefore, the God you're talking about, doesn't exist; and I'm not sure you exist either.
I have no evidence of your existence, except a screen, that I percieve in my brain, and could be according the The BBC's, "Do We Really Exist," only a computer program.
Since I'm seeing all evidence of your existence, on my phone... the BBC might be right...
The only reason I have for believing, you exist at all; is because, I'm being charitable; and trying to see, and believe, God is in you; and if that's true, this statement can't be right...
bodleing2: The God you speak of exists entirely in your mind...
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there is also the chances of none.