Trump & PM in England ( Archived) (9)

Mar 30, 2019 11:55 AM CST Trump & PM in England
methuzelah
methuzelahmethuzelahTampa, Florida USA296 Threads 1,633 Posts
Just the same. Trump has an advantage, people voted for him
and was elected, in England, people voted for Brexit, but PMs wiped their asses wlth people's vote.
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Mar 30, 2019 12:35 PM CST Trump & PM in England
aries1234
aries1234aries1234plymout, Devon, England UK175 Threads 3 Polls 5,672 Posts
Harbal: I agree, Brexit should be put up for a second referendum so the British people can make their feelings well and truly known.
And a third and a fourth till the politicians ge the answer they want.dunno
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Mar 30, 2019 1:06 PM CST Trump & PM in England
Harbal
HarbalHarbalSouth Yorkshire, England UK49 Threads 3 Polls 2,248 Posts
aries1234: And a third and a fourth till the politicians ge the answer they want.
Damned right! thumbs up
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Mar 31, 2019 9:38 PM CST Trump & PM in England
charles_nz
charles_nzcharles_nzChristchurch, Canterbury New Zealand1,386 Posts
methuzelah: Just the same. Trump has an advantage, people voted for him
and was elected, in England, people voted for Brexit, but PMs wiped their asses wlth people's vote.
Yes the British political class has no intention of giving the people what they voted for.

Ain't democracy grand?
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Apr 1, 2019 2:13 AM CST Trump & PM in England
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
methuzelah: Just the same. Trump has an advantage, people voted for him
and was elected, in England, people voted for Brexit, but PMs wiped their asses wlth people's vote.
Trumps advantage is America. America is big. America is important. America picks a fight and wins at least in the short-term.

Britain think it’s important. Tourism and dresses, the monarchy - soft powers which wouldn’t fare well in a hard Brexit I don’t believe. Image and spin Britains two main attributes are susceptible to starving.
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Apr 1, 2019 4:19 AM CST Trump & PM in England
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
Some say image is everything but it's time likes this when you discover the truth. You can't throw your weight around when your country is an image; e.g. Mussolini and his pretty little blackshirts - completely useless in a real fight.
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Apr 1, 2019 4:36 AM CST Trump & PM in England
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
And that stands double when you're dealing with professionals or the intelligent. Emotion won't weigh as much, spin won't work as well, substance begins to enter the thinking of people with more responsibility. Style wins the referendum and substance wins Brexit, style elects and substance governs because it's emotion for the many and reason for the few.

And in Brexit we're not negotiating with the many, we're negotiating with the few.
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Apr 1, 2019 4:54 AM CST Trump & PM in England
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
Brexit is the more drastic yet less able version of Trump. Trump is more soft Brexit in real terms with a hard brexit emotion, he does have more time(and strength)to do less work.
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Apr 1, 2019 5:10 AM CST Trump & PM in England
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
Which I guess is the benefit of electing a leader than holding a referendum. The leader can be what he needs to be in the appropriate context, he can play the game. Brexit doesn't have the flexibility of Trump moreover the flexible position isn't a popular one. There's one side and there's the other side and then there's the truth which will always be the territory of the minority. You better hope that whoever you elect knows how to play the game.
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