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Apr 4, 2019 6:44 PM CST Plastics
Friskyone
FriskyoneFriskyoneSanta Fe, New Mexico USA271 Threads 26 Polls 4,631 Posts
Should plastic water bottles and other plastic items such as straws, plastic bags, etc. be replaced and/or discontinued from everyday use?

Some believe that these plastics are dangerous and often kill aquatic animals as well as other animals.

Others believe that plastic water bottles would be a crisis, if eliminated, to those who rely on the plastic water bottles when water is contaminated in their community and in other countries.

What are your thoughts on this matter?
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Apr 4, 2019 8:56 PM CST Plastics
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
Friskyone: Should plastic water bottles and other plastic items such as straws, plastic bags, etc. be replaced and/or discontinued from everyday use?

Some believe that these plastics are dangerous and often kill aquatic animals as well as other animals.

Others believe that plastic water bottles would be a crisis, if eliminated, to those who rely on the plastic water bottles when water is contaminated in their community and in other countries.

What are your thoughts on this matter?
Interesting thread.... Being a practical minded pro-environmental type with a long career in environmental science I vote to continue using plastics for some things, but not without a heavy tax on them so that recyling plastic is profitable.

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Apr 4, 2019 9:06 PM CST Plastics
Friskyone
FriskyoneFriskyoneSanta Fe, New Mexico USA271 Threads 26 Polls 4,631 Posts
galrads: Interesting thread.... Being a practical minded pro-environmental type with a long career in environmental science I vote to continue using plastics for some things, but not without a heavy tax on them so that recyling plastic is profitable.
wave Hi galrads. Thank you.

I like the idea of recycling. Where I live, we have one trash can and one recycle can. It's something I appreciate and is very convenient too.
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Apr 4, 2019 9:29 PM CST Plastics
Kaylana04
Kaylana04Kaylana04Kekava, Riga Latvia16 Threads 635 Posts
Friskyone: Should plastic water bottles and other plastic items such as straws, plastic bags, etc. be replaced and/or discontinued from everyday use?

Some believe that these plastics are dangerous and often kill aquatic animals as well as other animals.

Others believe that plastic water bottles would be a crisis, if eliminated, to those who rely on the plastic water bottles when water is contaminated in their community and in other countries.

What are your thoughts on this matter?
Good morning Frisky,
It's not the plastic that is the dilemma, it is how it is handled and disposed of that is the problem.

Here in Europe, there are electricity generating sites that actually burn trash. In fact, smaller countries are importing it from larger ones!

If the carbon cycle were clearly understood, instead of being clouded by an ideology, then people would permit the burning of such wastes to generate needed energy.
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Apr 4, 2019 9:43 PM CST Plastics
Friskyone
FriskyoneFriskyoneSanta Fe, New Mexico USA271 Threads 26 Polls 4,631 Posts
Kaylana04: Good morning Frisky,
It's not the plastic that is the dilemma, it is how it is handled and disposed of that is the problem.

Here in Europe, there are electricity generating sites that actually burn trash. In fact, smaller countries are importing it from larger ones!

If the carbon cycle were clearly understood, instead of being clouded by an ideology, then people would permit the burning of such wastes to generate needed energy.
wave Hi Kalana04.

Thanks for your comment. I read somewhere not very long ago, that a whale was found to have had 80 pounds of plastic inside him. What concerns me is how irresponsible humans can be when they dispose of their plastics on beaches and/or land and animals digest the plastics but it also concerns me when people only have access to contaminated water as well. I am on the fence on this subject but you do have a valid point.
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Apr 4, 2019 9:45 PM CST Plastics
Friskyone
FriskyoneFriskyoneSanta Fe, New Mexico USA271 Threads 26 Polls 4,631 Posts
Friskyone: Hi Kalana04.

Thanks for your comment. I read somewhere not very long ago, that a whale was found to have had 80 pounds of plastic inside him. What concerns me is how irresponsible humans can be when they dispose of their plastics on beaches and/or land and animals digest the plastics but it also concerns me when people only have access to contaminated water as well. I am on the fence on this subject but you do have a valid point.
I'm sorry for the misspelling of your name. Typo.
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Apr 4, 2019 10:00 PM CST Plastics
Kaylana04
Kaylana04Kaylana04Kekava, Riga Latvia16 Threads 635 Posts
Friskyone: Hi Kalana04.

Thanks for your comment. I read somewhere not very long ago, that a whale was found to have had 80 pounds of plastic inside him. What concerns me is how irresponsible humans can be when they dispose of their plastics on beaches and/or land and animals digest the plastics but it also concerns me when people only have access to contaminated water as well. I am on the fence on this subject but you do have a valid point.
I understand the severity of the situation. People have forgotten to be responsible for their actions.

The plastic manufacturers have a conundrum. There are numerous benefits to using plastics: less fuel in transport, safer to transport, etc.
Yet, there are the multitude of problems: health/hormone disruptions, disposal, environmentalists imposing restrictions, etc.

In the end, it is the consumer who must make the choice and be held responsible for disposal.
Restrictions will only make it more difficult for the consumer who complies.
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Apr 4, 2019 10:09 PM CST Plastics
Friskyone
FriskyoneFriskyoneSanta Fe, New Mexico USA271 Threads 26 Polls 4,631 Posts
Kaylana04: I understand the severity of the situation. People have forgotten to be responsible for their actions.

The plastic manufacturers have a conundrum. There are numerous benefits to using plastics: less fuel in transport, safer to transport, etc.
Yet, there are the multitude of problems: health/hormone disruptions, disposal, environmentalists imposing restrictions, etc.

In the end, it is the consumer who must make the choice and be held responsible for disposal.
Restrictions will only make it more difficult for the consumer who complies.
Yes, I suppose the manufactures do have a conundrum and I agree that people must be responsible for their actions but I don't believe that some people care or realise the consequences of their actions. Very frustrating!
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Apr 4, 2019 10:19 PM CST Plastics
Kaylana04
Kaylana04Kaylana04Kekava, Riga Latvia16 Threads 635 Posts
Friskyone: Yes, I suppose the manufactures do have a conundrum and I agree that people must be responsible for their actions but I don't believe that some people care or realise the consequences of their actions. Very frustrating!
It would be easy to put the blame on one group or the other, but I think the problem goes back even further - to a dying sense of responsibility and being aware of the consequences of our actions.

Different societies have experimented with various models. Communism was first tried in America by the Pilgrims, hence, their near failure and demise. They survived only because the responsibility for survival was placed in the hands of the individual - not the collective.

I am doing my part to train my children and those around me how to take that responsibility seriously and how to leave the world in a better condition than when we arrived.

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Apr 4, 2019 10:25 PM CST Plastics
Friskyone
FriskyoneFriskyoneSanta Fe, New Mexico USA271 Threads 26 Polls 4,631 Posts
Kaylana04: It would be easy to put the blame on one group or the other, but I think the problem goes back even further - to a dying sense of responsibility and being aware of the consequences of our actions.

Different societies have experimented with various models. Communism was first tried in America by the Pilgrims, hence, their near failure and demise. They survived only because the responsibility for survival was placed in the hands of the individual - not the collective.

I am doing my part to train my children and those around me how to take that responsibility seriously and how to leave the world in a better condition than when we arrived.
I also do the same. I've taught my daughter and anyone else who will listen to me. We must do all we can for the future.


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Apr 4, 2019 11:32 PM CST Plastics
raphael119
raphael119raphael119washington d.c., District of Columbia USA19 Threads 3 Polls 5,181 Posts
they are considering banning plastic straws in a lot of areas in U.S. A lot of smaller aquatic life chokes on them thinking they are food. An extremely agonizing, very long death usually results. First time I actually saw a turtle crying.
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Apr 4, 2019 11:35 PM CST Plastics
M4_Mischief
M4_MischiefM4_MischiefBelleville, Ontario Canada6,250 Posts
I think we should replace all plastic with hemp.....wave


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Apr 4, 2019 11:43 PM CST Plastics
There are several alternatives to petro based plastics. We only keep using petro based because its cheap and easy.
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Apr 5, 2019 3:09 AM CST Plastics
PeKaatje
PeKaatjePeKaatjeAnkeveen, North Holland Netherlands59 Threads 3 Polls 6,334 Posts
yeah, there is way to much plastic. Even cucumbers are sealed in plastic, so in stead of cucumbers, I now buy courgettes. More tasty too.
Don't understand why everything should be wrapped in plastic.

On the other side, we're building windmills everywhere, and only in a small country as the Netherlands each year over 1000's kilo's of insects are killed by these mills.
And the solarfields are bad news for the birds, so every building should have solarpanels in stead of big fields on the ground. And no more windmills. It's finally destroying the ecosystem.
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Apr 6, 2019 3:24 PM CST Plastics
Lawro22
Lawro22Lawro22Cork., Cork Ireland45 Posts
I remember when you'd get money back on bottles returned to the shop. So as a kid if you found a pop bottle discarded somewhere, you'd take it to the shop and get a little cash.
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Apr 6, 2019 3:34 PM CST Plastics
PeKaatje
PeKaatjePeKaatjeAnkeveen, North Holland Netherlands59 Threads 3 Polls 6,334 Posts
we still have that refund system in the Netherlands, also on glass beerbottles, but not on every plastic bottle, unfortunately.
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