mollybaby: The problem with the law in Switzerland is that people have to do it before they are ready. For example, people with a horrible degenerative disease like ALS or muscular dystrophy. Under the law, they have to be capable of administering the drug to themselves. But the use of their hands may go before other areas, before they are feeling really bad, but they have to go while they still have the use of their hands.
That's exactly my point Molly!
In which case...who wants to do it before their time?
People usually want to hang on to life as long as they can.
Also...if people decide to go to Switzerland to have the deed done... What about the people who accompany them for the journey? Do they get done for having assisted the suicide.???
daniela777: Also...if people decide to go to Switzerland to have the deed done... What about the people who accompany them for the journey? Do they get done for having assisted the suicide.???
Maybe Conrad can answer this one?
Ja, kamarad Conrad always have an answer for everything.
daniela777: Also...if people decide to go to Switzerland to have the deed done... What about the people who accompany them for the journey? Do they get done for having assisted the suicide.???
Maybe Conrad can answer this one?
no,according to the Law,they would have to actively participate in the Deed to become culpable!
mollybaby: The problem with the law in Switzerland is that people have to do it before they are ready. For example, people with a horrible degenerative disease like ALS or muscular dystrophy. Under the law, they have to be capable of administering the drug to themselves. But the use of their hands may go before other areas, before they are feeling really bad, but they have to go while they still have the use of their hands.
JMO Not very Buddhist, silly i think, as ones last thoughts also part of the seeds of ones tomorrows. Visualizations at death time are very powerful, hint! HHDL is 14th incarnation of the continuous HHDL mindstream!! Same applies for all beings whether Buddhist, Christian, Muslim or Jewish, no matter you want to take rebirth (which is certain) as a Christian then visualize JC surrounded in white light be a good idea. I understand other have their own views
robplum: JMO Not very Buddhist, silly i think, as ones last thoughts also part of the seeds of ones tomorrows. Visualizations at death time are very powerful, hint! HHDL is 14th incarnation of the continuous HHDL mindstream!! Same applies for all beings whether Buddhist, Christian, Muslim or Jewish, no matter you want to take rebirth (which is certain) as a Christian then visualize JC surrounded in white light be a good idea. I understand other have their own views
Hi Rob.. Not quite sure what you're talking about here???
Do you mean that people can choose to die just by visualising leaving their body?
daniela777: Hi Rob.. Not quite sure what you're talking about here???
Do you mean that people can choose to die just by visualising leaving their body?
Could you please explain?
That isn't what I meant. But yes they can during a telephone conversation with my own Mother (in NZ), told me that she had, had enough, and didn't want to go through another winter (93 years old) and 3 months later she died. A Christian an unable to go to NZ I asked my sister to say that I thought should visualize JC surrounded in clear white light. But no I was not saying that I was saying (trying to say) that one of the most usual times in life is last moments before death. Death time breath goes out and doesn't come back and finally our energy departs our body, I'm told there are many subtle levels of consciousness. For example if you are run over by a Mac truck your subtle-winds would instantly departure the body. With natural dying process, the of departure of the subtle-winds normally depart body in two or three days, however of the subtle-winds departure can take up to 27 days. That is in part Mahayana Buddhist teaching on death and dying. Which can be researched in FPMT website.
What I was trying to say in response to Molly's post being motivated because Molly has expressed some interest in Buddhism in the past that our true nature is moving energy (subtle Winds) and example i used HH Dalai Lama is recognized as the 14th incarnation of being known as Dalai Lama. He is 14th incarnation of the continuous mind stream of the person known as Dalai Lama. That something that he has proven from his own side to the satisfaction of the Tibetans tasked with finding his reincarnation. You can research on trusted FPMT website. In this Dalai Lamas incarnation is located near Amdo near the Chinese boarder and there is available, full account of the processed used and final acceptance of the child was indeed 14th Dalai Lama.
But you guys in this thread appear to have no interest in such matters. Personally i don't think we should involve ourselves in giving comfort to a person killing themselves, who have no understanding of our true nature , which is energy (Moving Energy) (Subtle Winds) (Spirit) who some how perceive the light will go out and enter some sought of paradise. That place is reserved for complete morons who kill infidel or something. Its silly in the extreme, there is nothing on this planet that can become a nothing, that an impossibility.
Ignorance some say is bliss, I think not, complete waist of very hard to obtain human rebirth. Tibetan describe obtaining human rebirth can be likened to a turtle surfacing in the middle of biggest ocean rising to the surface with its head in 1 meter golden ring. There are clearly many many more sentient being like ourselves migrating from life to life driven by the causes (English word used to describe Karma's)
I have tried to explain, it is complicated because you requested i do, any error in this description is my error, I beg you please check up before involving yourself in the death and dying of others.
Conrad73: you will have to carry the Euthanasia out yourself,no one can legally do that for you! The Law is clear on that!
And then there are clinics like "Dignitas" where you can pay 6000 euros and get euthanized, not only in case of illness, but also as a grieving partner who lost his/her spouse and don't want to live any more, etc. I had a very ill member of a family and did quite a research about it...
Bellanna: And then there are clinics like "Dignitas" where you can pay 6000 euros and get euthanized, not only in case of illness, but also as a grieving partner who lost his/her spouse and don't want to live any more, etc. I had a very ill member of a family and did quite a research about it...
Hello again Bella.. That´s interesting. And where is this clinic Dignitas? Would you mind giving us more details, please?
robplum: That isn't what I meant. But yes they can during a telephone conversation with my own Mother (in NZ), told me that she had, had enough, and didn't want to go through another winter (93 years old) and 3 months later she died. .
Sorry if I misunderstood you Rob.
In the case or your mother, I suppose that can happen and I have also heard of such cases. They just lose their will to live and let themselves go... usually during their sleep.
robplum: That isn't what I meant. I'm told there are many subtle levels of consciousness. For example if you are run over by a Mac truck your subtle-winds would instantly departure the body. With natural dying process, the of departure of the subtle-winds normally depart body in two or three days, however of the subtle-winds departure can take up to 27 days. That is in part Mahayana Buddhist teaching on death and dying. Which can be researched in FPMT website.
I have tried to explain, it is complicated because you requested i do, any error in this description is my error, I beg you please check up before involving yourself in the death and dying of others.
I also believe about the many subtle levels of consciousess,
What I was trying to say in response to Molly's post being motivated because Molly has expressed some interest in Buddhism in the past that our true nature is moving energy (subtle Winds) and example i used HH Dalai Lama is recognized as the 14th incarnation of being known as Dalai Lama. He is 14th incarnation of the continuous mind stream of the person known as Dalai Lama. That something that he has proven from his own side to the satisfaction of the Tibetans tasked with finding his reincarnation. You can research on trusted FPMT website. In this Dalai Lamas incarnation is located near Amdo near the Chinese boarder and there is available, full account of the processed used and final acceptance of the child was indeed 14th Dalai Lama. .
This, Rob, is some belief system and not many might believe this theory?
But you guys in this thread appear to have no interest in such matters. Personally i don't think we should involve ourselves in giving comfort to a person killing themselves, who have no understanding of our true nature , which is energy (Moving Energy) (Subtle Winds) (Spirit) who some how perceive the light will go out and enter some sought of paradise. That place is reserved for complete morons who kill infidel or something. Its silly in the extreme, there is nothing on this planet that can become a nothing, that an impossibility.
Ignorance some say is bliss, I think not, complete waist of very hard to obtain human rebirth. Tibetan describe obtaining human rebirth can be likened to a turtle surfacing in the middle of biggest ocean rising to the surface with its head in 1 meter golden ring. There are clearly many many more sentient being like ourselves migrating from life to life driven by the causes (English word used to describe Karma's)
I have tried to explain, it is complicated because you requested i do, any error in this description is my error, I beg you please check up before involving yourself in the death and dying of others.
Well.... Rob.... all very interesting information and, I don´t think people are not interested in such matters, as you put it, but.... these are all belief systems which most are trying to get away from..
Assisting someone to die, as an act of love and compassion, might also be against someone´s religion but, nevertheless, it is done.
Anyway, thanks for taking the time to explain your own beliefs.
daniela777: This, Rob, is some belief system and not many might believe this theory?
I don't mind, Buddhism has been around for over 20,000 years, it is however constantly being attacked by religious nutters because it teachers non violence. And it is not just theory here is one of your own born and bred in Spain to Spanish parents, the reincarnation of Lana Yeshe, its not theory it is factual and lived out in real life. Who Was Lama Yeshe? Lama Thubten Yeshe was born in Tibet in 1935. At the age of six, he entered Sera Monastic University in Tibet where he studied until 1959 <
A Spaniard he was recognized by the Dalai Lama as Lama Tenzin Osel Rinpoche, I dunno why but Ordained Lama Osel attended a Catholic school in Canada and the stupid catholic priest convened him to disrobe and Lama then went of and made music in South America however fortuitously for the whole world and Lama Osel he rediscovered himself in Ibiza.
robplum: I don't mind, Buddhism has been around for over 20,000 years, it is however constantly being attacked by religious nutters because it teachers non violence. And it is not just theory here is one of your own born and bred in Spain to Spanish parents, the reincarnation of Lana Yeshe, its not theory it is factual and lived out in real life. Who Was Lama Yeshe? Lama Thubten Yeshe was born in Tibet in 1935. At the age of six, he entered Sera Monastic University in Tibet where he studied until 1959 <
A Spaniard he was recognized by the Dalai Lama as Lama Tenzin Osel Rinpoche, I dunno why but Ordained Lama Osel attended a Catholic school in Canada and the stupid catholic priest convened him to disrobe and Lama then went of and made music in South America however fortuitously for the whole world and Lama Osel he rediscovered himself in Ibiza.
I agree with a lot of what Buddhism teaches..the non violence etc ... And..btw. I am NOT a religious nutter as I have no religion and don't believe in any dogma.
And...for your info...I am not Spanish but I'm well aware of the Spanish inquisition.
robplum: I don't mind, Buddhism has been around for over 20,000 years, it is however constantly being attacked by religious nutters because it teachers non violence. And it is not just theory here is one of your own born and bred in Spain to Spanish parents, the reincarnation of Lana Yeshe, its not theory it is factual and lived out in real life. Who Was Lama Yeshe? Lama Thubten Yeshe was born in Tibet in 1935. At the age of six, he entered Sera Monastic University in Tibet where he studied until 1959 <
A Spaniard he was recognized by the Dalai Lama as Lama Tenzin Osel Rinpoche, I dunno why but Ordained Lama Osel attended a Catholic school in Canada and the stupid catholic priest convened him to disrobe and Lama then went of and made music in South America however fortuitously for the whole world and Lama Osel he rediscovered himself in Ibiza.
I've been to Bubión.it's a lovely little village in the mountains
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Yes people should be able to choose death or passing.
Yes this should be done by a procedure and watched over.