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Mar 17, 2020 3:46 AM CST Corona and economical crisis
Malfidus
MalfidusMalfidusAntwerp, Antwerpen Belgium7 Threads 116 Posts
Personally I do not believe in complot theories but what to think of the USA - China involved in an economical war and followed soon by a new virus breaking out in China, now hosting the whole world by a pandemia and causing a masshysteria from the media and a new economical crisis ?
Only in China the rate of contamination is decreasing.
A new crisis was already predicted,... but is this the one they got in mind?? confused
On the other hand it could be pure coincidence too....
One thing is for sure it is a serious warning from nature not to mess with life itself I believe.
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Mar 17, 2020 3:59 AM CST Corona and economical crisis
PeKaatje
PeKaatjePeKaatjeAnkeveen, North Holland Netherlands59 Threads 3 Polls 6,334 Posts
Totally agree, I think this virus has escaped from a laboratory, maybe by accident, maybe on purpose. If that turns out to be the fact, China has to explain the world why and pay bills of all companies that are losing money now, all the next of kin from those who lost their lives, all the people that lost their job etc. So I hope I am wrong that this was an biological weapon, else we might face worldwar 3
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Mar 17, 2020 6:00 AM CST Corona and economical crisis
Personal_care
Personal_carePersonal_careAntwerp, Antwerpen Belgium12 Posts
Ain't it strange that Italy (Europe) and Iran became the hot spots in the virus outbreak ? Italy on frontline with the immigrationcrisis and Iran the "devil" of the Islamworld (= according to the Western press!).
Russia few cases, USA no much cases (yet!).
How did these two became hot spots??
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Mar 17, 2020 6:22 AM CST Corona and economical crisis
Linaray
LinarayLinarayTaverney, Ile-de-France France10 Threads 1 Polls 104 Posts
It's now obvious that those new world order pushers are going to drive themselves crazy this time around. If they have vowed that we will not have peace in this world, they too are living in the same world with us.

Only the blind will not know that this is a bio-attack. We are watching. I hope people take the necessary measures to stay safe.
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Mar 17, 2020 8:04 AM CST Corona and economical crisis
methuzelah
methuzelahmethuzelahTampa, Florida USA296 Threads 1,633 Posts
zombie apocalypse is here
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Mar 17, 2020 10:18 AM CST Corona and economical crisis
PeKaatje
PeKaatjePeKaatjeAnkeveen, North Holland Netherlands59 Threads 3 Polls 6,334 Posts
Leaders only think about money, and how to become more rich than they already are. Does Trump needs the money? No. So why does he want to be re-elected?
Only for power and more money.
It's the same with leaders worldwide. Even Putin who can stay on til 2036 now, because of a new law. Russian voters will have to approve the new law, but they will.
God, how I hate these idiots who think they're more than the common people, who think they can tell us what to do and how to live.
We can thin for ourselves, we don't need no leaders, but leaders need people.
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Mar 17, 2020 10:25 AM CST Corona and economical crisis
Bogart_1960
Bogart_1960Bogart_1960Ask me !, Provence-Alpes-Cote d'Azur France36 Threads 1 Polls 10,012 Posts
methuzelah: zombie apocalypse is here
he is in control

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Mar 17, 2020 10:32 AM CST Corona and economical crisis
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
PeKaatje: Leaders only think about money, and how to become more rich than they already are. Does Trump needs the money? No. So why does he want to be re-elected?
Only for power and more money.
It's the same with leaders worldwide. Even Putin who can stay on til 2036 now, because of a new law. Russian voters will have to approve the new law, but they will.
God, how I hate these idiots who think they're more than the common people, who think they can tell us what to do and how to live.
We can thin for ourselves, we don't need no leaders, but leaders need people.
Beginning of last we saw 3.125 % interest rates for 30 year fixed mortgages in the usa
Mid week the fed dropped their interest rate to zero
This week 30 year fixed mortgage rates are up around 4.65 %
I asked a banker why
The banker said they are swamped and raising their rate slows down applications
I said BS... why not just post signs that you are not taking applications
Greed is the way in the USA
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Mar 18, 2020 5:55 PM CST Corona and economical crisis
Malfidus
MalfidusMalfidusAntwerp, Antwerpen Belgium7 Threads 116 Posts
Today The federal government ad hoc declared code 3 of the crisisplan.
The rules are almost the same as a total lockdown scenario but the word is avoided because they feared the people's reactions.
It is strange as the Netherlands and the UK do not believe in those dragonic measurements and keep their stores and shops open, schools stay open and factories too.
The reason for it that they believe in the immunity of the group, the more the immunity of the group increases the more the virus will be inhibited and at last the epidemia will end.
The risk is that before the group immunity is achieved many persons might die.
But their economical damage will be lesser then those of a total lockdown.
The impact on people's social life is enormous, how long can this situation be kept?
What is the right approach? Time will tell.
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Mar 18, 2020 6:13 PM CST Corona and economical crisis
Malfidus
MalfidusMalfidusAntwerp, Antwerpen Belgium7 Threads 116 Posts
galrads: Beginning of last we saw 3.125 % interest rates for 30 year fixed mortgages in the usa
Mid week the fed dropped their interest rate to zero
This week 30 year fixed mortgage rates are up around 4.65 %
I asked a banker why
The banker said they are swamped and raising their rate slows down applications
I said BS... why not just post signs that you are not taking applications
Greed is the way in the USA
Greed is the base of our capitalistic system in the western world (and the whole world!).
I was already thinking in 2012 about another a new economical crisis, depression ,to come but could never imagine it would be caused by an almost undetectable organism and the massa hysteria caused by the media. doh
My opinion was if the banks will not learn from the crisis and will not end their activities with rumble loans and credits on the stock market a new crisis is on its way. The virus did faster wink
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Mar 19, 2020 3:50 AM CST Corona and economical crisis
Malfidus: Greed is the base of our capitalistic system in the western world (and the whole world!).
I was already thinking in 2012 about another a new economical crisis, depression ,to come but could never imagine it would be caused by an almost undetectable organism and the massa hysteria caused by the media.
My opinion was if the banks will not learn from the crisis and will not end their activities with rumble loans and credits on the stock market a new crisis is on its way. The virus did faster
what "Capitalistic"System are we talking about?confused
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Mar 19, 2020 5:40 AM CST Corona and economical crisis
raphael119
raphael119raphael119washington d.c., District of Columbia USA19 Threads 3 Polls 5,181 Posts
It's them greedy libtards and capitualism that has made mortgage rates a ripoff!!!thumbs up
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Mar 24, 2020 12:53 PM CST Corona and economical crisis
Personal_care
Personal_carePersonal_careAntwerp, Antwerpen Belgium12 Posts
For me capitalism means overexploitation, overproduction and a blind consumation of goods whether they are necessary or not. A system base on primary instincts and emotions as greed, territorail drift, dominance, etc.. Supported by tools derived from sciences as is marketing, advertising and publicity controlling the mass. The system doesn't only fullfil needs, it even creates new needs all for one purpose: To sell more!
The consequences you can notice everyday : violence and wars, poverty, hunger and misery for "the loser" and power and wealth for the "succesor". Climate change, mass pollution of the environment by plastics, residus of herbicides, wasproducts even medication..... Orchestrated financial crises and more.
Because the main rule of the system is based on acting first then thinking it over later = how can we solve the mess we created.
If something can't be valued financially, it's useless.
It divides humans in classes, the lower in rank the less respect you get.
Great system not !? doh
The corona virus crisis showed us again how vulnerable it is.
Will we evaluate and change after it?? I really doubt it .sigh
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Mar 24, 2020 1:06 PM CST Corona and economical crisis
Personal_care: For me capitalism means overexploitation, overproduction and a blind consumation of goods whether they are necessary or not. A system base on primary instincts and emotions as greed, territorail drift, dominance, etc.. Supported by tools derived from sciences as is marketing, advertising and publicity controlling the mass. The system doesn't only fullfil needs, it even creates new needs all for one purpose: To sell more!
The consequences you can notice everyday : violence and wars, poverty, hunger and misery for "the loser" and power and wealth for the "succesor". Climate change, mass pollution of the environment by plastics, residus of herbicides, wasproducts even medication..... Orchestrated financial crises and more.
Because the main rule of the system is based on acting first then thinking it over later = how can we solve the mess we created.
If something can't be valued financially, it's useless.
It divides humans in classes, the lower in rank the less respect you get.
Great system not !?
The corona virus crisis showed us again how vulnerable it is.
Will we evaluate and change after it?? I really doubt it .
rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
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Mar 26, 2020 5:13 AM CST Corona and economical crisis
HexagonKeySet
HexagonKeySetHexagonKeySetCentral, Waikato New Zealand150 Threads 7 Polls 3,829 Posts
Bogart_1960: he is in control
A fine example of 'American Exceptionalism ...' ???
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Mar 26, 2020 6:51 AM CST Corona and economical crisis
Malfidus
MalfidusMalfidusAntwerp, Antwerpen Belgium7 Threads 116 Posts
Can U please give your vision so I can have fun too?? Having fun is always better with more.wink rolling on the floor laughing
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Mar 26, 2020 6:58 AM CST Corona and economical crisis
Malfidus
MalfidusMalfidusAntwerp, Antwerpen Belgium7 Threads 116 Posts
@ conrad 73:
Can U please give your vision so I can have fun too?? Having fun is always better with more .wink
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Mar 30, 2020 10:45 AM CST Corona and economical crisis
Malfidus
MalfidusMalfidusAntwerp, Antwerpen Belgium7 Threads 116 Posts
Analysis from a Belgian journalist interested in International politics for more than 25 year:
Russian Ilyushins (transport planes, ed.) brought 22 military trucks to Rome last week. The trucks contained medical equipment, including 600 respirators. The Russian flags waving on all the trucks also bear the inscription "From Russia With Love" meaning in times of need, you know who you can count on. Also China took the same strategy.
It regularly sent aircraft with medical equipment to affected countries such as Belgium. On the crates that arrived at the airport, it read "l’union fait la force", a link tothe national device of Belgium.
In Serbia, President Aleksandar Vucic applauded his Chinese colleague Xi Jinping. "European solidarity does not exist, that's a fairy tale. I have asked for help from the only country that can help us, and that is China," Vucic said on 15 March, after the EU, according to him, had banned the export of medical equipment. That was not true according to the EU, only a system of licensing had been introduced, but in the meantime the damage to our image was already a fact. Vucic also failed to mention the fact that Serbia receives more than €200 million in aid from the EU every year.
Like Russia, China derives maximum benefit from relatively small efforts. The Chinese aircraft mainly fly mouth masks and respirators, not immediately high-tech medical equipment, but currently very much in demand. Even before the crisis, China produced half of the world's mouth masks and has now increased production by a factor of 12.
The impact of this corona crisis is in danger of becoming so great that it could become a historical tipping point, just like the end of the Cold War in the early 1990s, when the world looks completely different from now on. And for the time being it seems that China and Russia in particular are already making efforts to shape that world to their will.
This parallel activity of China and Russia was also visible in the past. In Africa, China mainly provided large infrastructure projects in exchange for access to raw materials, while Russia mainly sold arms and provided military assistance or advice to regimes. The big absent in this geopolitical game around the corona crisis is the USA. Due to the incompetence of its leaders today. A president who does just follows his intuition and has lack on scienctists. A weird narcist. The US ia becoming the biggest corona victime because of the failing health care!!
The EU exist only on paper. Because their is no European health strategy every country has to organise a strategy itself. The catastrophe in Italy and Spain show us the lack pan European health caresystem. This is the result of what happend EU during the immigration crisis !! The the Mediterranean countries got no much solidarity from the rest of the EU.Again this reaction was infuenced by the Bankcrisis of 2008 where the EU had to support Italy, Greece and Spain!!
Last week the Netherlands, Denmark and Germany blocked an EU implementing decision to release several million euros to help the worst affected countries! France and Germany briefly blocked the export of mouth masks to other EU member states. The UK opted for a brexit. Is this a unity within a union?
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Mar 30, 2020 10:52 AM CST Corona and economical crisis
Malfidus
MalfidusMalfidusAntwerp, Antwerpen Belgium7 Threads 116 Posts
follow up:

It is also almost certain that this crisis will upset geopolitical relations. The liberal West threatens to emerge weaker, in favour of the more authoritarian and dictatorial China and Russia.
A new debate about privacy must be hold. Also new visions on the globalizing economy with its outsourcing productions and “just in time” managment. Nationalists and their idea’s will become more powerful, a threat for the liberal world, a blessed gift for dictatorial politicians. It is to be hoped that the major countries of the world - once they have recovered from the initial blow and the extreme attention that the fight against the virus demands - will soon come to their senses again and that they will tackle the threat and the consequences of this crisis together. This is ultimately in everyone's interest. Thus, the relaunch of the global economy will require a considerable effort.
The fight against the coronavirus is sometimes compared to war. In this crisis, however, no enemies face each other, but every country, everyone, is on the same side of the front line. Only a far-reaching cooperation can quickly pull the world out of this crisis. But in order to do so, it is necessary to transcend the primal human instinct : to think of oneself first. Showing an exaggerated hamster behaviour and growing intolerance.

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Mar 30, 2020 11:18 AM CST Corona and economical crisis
Malfidus
MalfidusMalfidusAntwerp, Antwerpen Belgium7 Threads 116 Posts
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