What are we really fighting... Coronavirus or some thing else? (29)
CS needs to sent all the crapologist´s theories to Trump; they can compete with Fox crap.
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galrads: We are treating people for the wrong disease. We are being fooled. Ventilators are necessary but people's lungs are being damaged by the way the ventilators are used.
When people have pnuemonia their muscles get weak. The muscles on these people, supposedly with coronavirus, are fine even though their lungs are starving for oxygen. It’s as if these sick patients are on top of mt everest for weeks without clothes.
What are we really up against?
What are we really up against?
What are we really up against?
Actually it is so easy to answer your 3 questions... we are all fight against the covid-19. When people have pnuemonia their muscles get weak. The muscles on these people, supposedly with coronavirus, are fine even though their lungs are starving for oxygen. It’s as if these sick patients are on top of mt everest for weeks without clothes.
What are we really up against?
What are we really up against?
What are we really up against?
The leaders of the world could be in any way wrong in making the best policiest for their people to fight the covid-19. Any kind of support is needed. if you can't stand to stay at home, go out but keep your distance and speak positive!!
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well, it's a world wide problem, finally humanity is fighting together against something (a virus) instead of foghting against each other.
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PeKaatje: well, it's a world wide problem, finally humanity is fighting together against something (a virus) instead of foghting against each other.
Which is a very good thing. But its possible the ventilators are being used the wrong way and thus causing most of the deaths themselves....------ This thread is Archived ------
galrads: Which is a very good thing. But its possible the ventilators are being used the wrong way and thus causing most of the deaths themselves....
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tomcatty: Would you suggest that all the fine doctors of the world are wrong?????
All? No. Misled maybe, yes. Did the Egyptians Believe in their medicine? Did george Washington’s doctors kill george by a bloodletting procedure? Poor george woke up on the day he died with a sore throat. His doctors then drained about 40% of his blood that day before he died. 
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galrads: They look like patients with severe pneumonia caused by a virus.
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What we SHOULD really be fighting against is THE LIES surrounding these events which drain the majority of money, energy, confidence in life and the future.
Money - we all know that it's US 'regular people' who are going to have to make up for the money squandered.
Energy - look around at how many people have become afraid, panicking about this
Confidence in life and the future - Lies are used for ONE purpose only. To CONTROL PEOPLE and repeated lies ares to CONDITION PEOPLE'S MINDS and, with conditioned minds people become ever easier to control ... makes it a downward spiral for the masses...
Money - we all know that it's US 'regular people' who are going to have to make up for the money squandered.
Energy - look around at how many people have become afraid, panicking about this
Confidence in life and the future - Lies are used for ONE purpose only. To CONTROL PEOPLE and repeated lies ares to CONDITION PEOPLE'S MINDS and, with conditioned minds people become ever easier to control ... makes it a downward spiral for the masses...
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mollybaby: Because they are.
But for a lot of the patients it is not pneumonia. This doctor explains what is going on treating the wrong disease better than I ever can... i think its worth a listen. But what do I know...
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HexagonKeySet: What we SHOULD really be fighting against is THE LIES surrounding these events which drain the majority of money, energy, confidence in life and the future.
Money - we all know that it's US 'regular people' who are going to have to make up for the money squandered.
Energy - look around at how many people have become afraid, panicking about this
Confidence in life and the future - Lies are used for ONE purpose only. To CONTROL PEOPLE and repeated lies ares to CONDITION PEOPLE'S MINDS and, with conditioned minds people become ever easier to control ... makes it a downward spiral for the masses...
More people might die indirectly from losing there jobs or other problems caused by a lengthy quarantine than the lives coronavirus might take.Money - we all know that it's US 'regular people' who are going to have to make up for the money squandered.
Energy - look around at how many people have become afraid, panicking about this
Confidence in life and the future - Lies are used for ONE purpose only. To CONTROL PEOPLE and repeated lies ares to CONDITION PEOPLE'S MINDS and, with conditioned minds people become ever easier to control ... makes it a downward spiral for the masses...
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galrads: More people might die indirectly from losing there jobs or other problems caused by a lengthy quarantine than the lives coronavirus might take.
Y'll forgive me ... sometimes it seems as if more than person posts using this profile?Totally agree with you - I've made that same point earlier and, if I can find the link, pointed to a UK GP (MD / family doctor) who has made that very same point - he admitted to the cold hard facts that, under normal circumstances decisions about treatments are based upon QALY's ( Quality Added Life Years) and that in the UK decisions re treatment are made on the approximate basis of 30K (GBP) per QALY. ( as a rough example if a hip operation is 30k then a person aged 75 can expect around 13 QALY's a person of 86 only 1 or 2 QALY's (and a substantially heightened risk of death under surgery or soon after as a consequence of surgery)
Looking at CV19 the logic has been replaced by blind panic and emotion and current spending is ( from memory) circa 1,000,000 plus per QALY which as he pointed out is not sustainable. He also pointed to 'other factors' such as depression, suicide and the overall decline in 'all services' available which will NEGATIVELY impact the quality of life for millions of people over the coming decade(s) through poverty created by unemployment ... and the inevitable pain that's endured.
Had he more time he might have gone on and explored how this is going to be exaggerated as we have more automation and less n less human labour in play ... while agreeing I think perhaps that's only the tip of a 'social issues iceberg'
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HexagonKeySet: Y'll forgive me ... sometimes it seems as if more than person posts using this profile?
Totally agree with you - I've made that same point earlier and, if I can find the link, pointed to a UK GP (MD / family doctor) who has made that very same point - he admitted to the cold hard facts that, under normal circumstances decisions about treatments are based upon QALY's ( Quality Added Life Years) and that in the UK decisions re treatment are made on the approximate basis of 30K (GBP) per QALY. ( as a rough example if a hip operation is 30k then a person aged 75 can expect around 13 QALY's a person of 86 only 1 or 2 QALY's (and a substantially heightened risk of death under surgery or soon after as a consequence of surgery)
Looking at CV19 the logic has been replaced by blind panic and emotion and current spending is ( from memory) circa 1,000,000 plus per QALY which as he pointed out is not sustainable. He also pointed to 'other factors' such as depression, suicide and the overall decline in 'all services' available which will NEGATIVELY impact the quality of life for millions of people over the coming decade(s) through poverty created by unemployment ... and the inevitable pain that's endured.
Had he more time he might have gone on and explored how this is going to be exaggerated as we have more automation and less n less human labour in play ... while agreeing I think perhaps that's only the tip of a 'social issues iceberg'
Im not always the best at written communication. That is why you might think more than two people are using the same profile. I mostly want to be amused by others when i log on but some subjects get me thinking more seriously.Totally agree with you - I've made that same point earlier and, if I can find the link, pointed to a UK GP (MD / family doctor) who has made that very same point - he admitted to the cold hard facts that, under normal circumstances decisions about treatments are based upon QALY's ( Quality Added Life Years) and that in the UK decisions re treatment are made on the approximate basis of 30K (GBP) per QALY. ( as a rough example if a hip operation is 30k then a person aged 75 can expect around 13 QALY's a person of 86 only 1 or 2 QALY's (and a substantially heightened risk of death under surgery or soon after as a consequence of surgery)
Looking at CV19 the logic has been replaced by blind panic and emotion and current spending is ( from memory) circa 1,000,000 plus per QALY which as he pointed out is not sustainable. He also pointed to 'other factors' such as depression, suicide and the overall decline in 'all services' available which will NEGATIVELY impact the quality of life for millions of people over the coming decade(s) through poverty created by unemployment ... and the inevitable pain that's endured.
Had he more time he might have gone on and explored how this is going to be exaggerated as we have more automation and less n less human labour in play ... while agreeing I think perhaps that's only the tip of a 'social issues iceberg'
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galrads: Im not always the best at written communication. That is why you might think more than two people are using the same profile. I mostly want to be amused by others when i log on but some subjects get me thinking more seriously.
So, asked respectfully, sometimes do you like, lot the plot due to ( drink / drug / other ) issues ?No need to reply if you choose not to ...
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HexagonKeySet: So, asked respectfully, sometimes do you like, lot the plot due to ( drink / drug / other ) issues ?
No need to reply if you choose not to ...
Not usually but i often wonder the same about your posts No need to reply if you choose not to ...
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galrads: Not usually but i often wonder the same about your posts
No doubt you do (wonder) on those occasions when 'that other person who uses the account lets rip screaming drivel !Perhaps we can agree to leave it at that while you are here and the other fella sleeps ;-)
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HexagonKeySet: No doubt you do (wonder) on those occasions when 'that other person who uses the account lets rip screaming drivel !
Perhaps we can agree to leave it at that while you are here and the other fella sleeps ;-)
You amuse me. Good show. Keep it up. Perhaps we can agree to leave it at that while you are here and the other fella sleeps ;-)
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"Money - we all know that it's US 'regular people' who are going to have to make up for the money squandered" Hex Key post. Response below.
I noticed Trump has succeeded in obstructing Congress's ability to closely monitor the flow of monies from the massive Corona spending bill.Why Trump wants to hide the money is beyond me. Maybe he has some big honey pots out there.
I noticed Trump has succeeded in obstructing Congress's ability to closely monitor the flow of monies from the massive Corona spending bill.Why Trump wants to hide the money is beyond me. Maybe he has some big honey pots out there.
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Here's half the problem with fighting Corona folks !!!!!!
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galrads: But for a lot of the patients it is not pneumonia.
This doctor explains what is going on treating the wrong disease better than I ever can... i think its worth a listen. But what do I know...
Exactly! Lack of oxygen!!!This doctor explains what is going on treating the wrong disease better than I ever can... i think its worth a listen. But what do I know...
And it's 5G causing it!!!
Garlad, look into what 5G is doing to our brains..and lungs..and you'll have your answers.
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When people have pnuemonia their muscles get weak. The muscles on these people, supposedly with coronavirus, are fine even though their lungs are starving for oxygen. It’s as if these sick patients are on top of mt everest for weeks without clothes.
What are we really up against?
What are we really up against?
What are we really up against?