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Apr 12, 2020 4:11 AM CST " Here's what we know ..."
HexagonKeySet
HexagonKeySetHexagonKeySetCentral, Waikato New Zealand150 Threads 7 Polls 3,829 Posts
Four words that you should know and recognise as the introduction to propaganda ...

" Here's what we know...'

They never do ACTUALLY KNOW ... they're just reading something circulated by Govt Agencies !!!

bouquet < Hot air ballons !!!
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Apr 12, 2020 4:14 AM CST " Here's what we know ..."
pat8lanips
pat8lanipspat8lanipsbabinda, Queensland Australia67 Threads 14 Polls 6,372 Posts
And the words typically preceeding a load of conspiracy throry BS... Something circulated by government agencies.
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Apr 12, 2020 4:19 AM CST " Here's what we know ..."
HexagonKeySet
HexagonKeySetHexagonKeySetCentral, Waikato New Zealand150 Threads 7 Polls 3,829 Posts
Perhaps ... if you know the 'History of Conspiracy Theories' then you'll be aware that they were a creation of the CIA in the 50's

But the majority of topics that were dismissed by official sources for BEING CT's have later proven to be correct !

This provides more than merely 'reasonable' grounds for question the official story about ... well, anything really !
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Apr 12, 2020 4:25 AM CST " Here's what we know ..."
pat8lanips
pat8lanipspat8lanipsbabinda, Queensland Australia67 Threads 14 Polls 6,372 Posts
The CIA of the fifties, thats a different world to what we live in today.

If the government says wash your hands, it does not always mean they've done some kind of backroom deal with soapmakers to sell soap, or are trying to brainwash you somehow...

Sometimes it is what it is, and though it might feel clever to delve into it all via loony websites and propose ridiculous speculations, it isn't.
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Apr 12, 2020 4:37 AM CST " Here's what we know ..."
HexagonKeySet
HexagonKeySetHexagonKeySetCentral, Waikato New Zealand150 Threads 7 Polls 3,829 Posts
How very droll ... and over simplistic too !

grin
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Apr 12, 2020 4:57 AM CST " Here's what we know ..."
HexagonKeySet
HexagonKeySetHexagonKeySetCentral, Waikato New Zealand150 Threads 7 Polls 3,829 Posts
May I ask, do you agree that Mercury and Aluminium are both harmful to human health ?
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Apr 12, 2020 5:01 AM CST " Here's what we know ..."
pat8lanips
pat8lanipspat8lanipsbabinda, Queensland Australia67 Threads 14 Polls 6,372 Posts
Indeed, as are sodium and chlorine... I think I can see where this is going. Lol
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Apr 12, 2020 5:04 AM CST " Here's what we know ..."
HexagonKeySet
HexagonKeySetHexagonKeySetCentral, Waikato New Zealand150 Threads 7 Polls 3,829 Posts
pat8lanips: Indeed, as are sodium and chlorine... I think I can see where this is going. Lol
Indeed, but one does not inject infants with either of those ...

Sodium Chloride (as you know) is common salt and perfectly safe in low doses.

Your turn - name ANY mercury compound that is not poisonous / injurious to human health.
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Apr 12, 2020 5:14 AM CST " Here's what we know ..."
pat8lanips
pat8lanipspat8lanipsbabinda, Queensland Australia67 Threads 14 Polls 6,372 Posts
Ok, this is good, you can follow high school chemistry. In what form to they inject children with mercury or aluminium? is the mercury in a form that remethylates? remember the octet rule, and electronic configuration...Are the consequences of not injecting them likely worse?

It would be hard, if not impossible to live life without exposure to mercury or aluminium, ditto sodium and chlorine, I take it you would never eat barbecued meat, with all those benzine rings... Or drive a car, or use any form of plastic...

I doubt you'd get me on chemistry dude...
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Apr 12, 2020 5:24 AM CST " Here's what we know ..."
HexagonKeySet
HexagonKeySetHexagonKeySetCentral, Waikato New Zealand150 Threads 7 Polls 3,829 Posts
rolling on the floor laughing What I'll never get FROM YOU is a straight answer

That was a very very simple question, but if there was part that you failed to understand, feel free to tell me!

Can you, or can you not, name ANY compound of mercury that is not poisonous or injurious to human health!

There's a difference (obvious to all the world but oblivious to you apparently) between 'exposure to' and 'being injected with'

Likewise - is it REALLY the case that you don't actually understand the term 'infant' or would like us to believe you were not initially raised on milk but fed from a BBQ ?
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Apr 12, 2020 5:25 AM CST " Here's what we know ..."
pat8lanips: Ok, this is good, you can follow high school chemistry. In what form to they inject children with mercury or aluminium? is the mercury in a form that remethylates? remember the octet rule, and electronic configuration...Are the consequences of not injecting them likely worse?

It would be hard, if not impossible to live life without exposure to mercury or aluminium, ditto sodium and chlorine, I take it you would never eat barbecued meat, with all those benzine rings... Or drive a car, or use any form of plastic...

I doubt you'd get me on chemistry dude...
Hi Pat,

I love fish and most contain a measure of mercury.handshake
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Apr 12, 2020 5:28 AM CST " Here's what we know ..."
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
Postmodernism is Copernicus in the least Copernican way possible. Lots of people think they could have been John Lennon but not as many who assume they would have joined the French resistance, and if they did they would been a very brave person.
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Apr 12, 2020 5:30 AM CST " Here's what we know ..."
pat8lanips
pat8lanipspat8lanipsbabinda, Queensland Australia67 Threads 14 Polls 6,372 Posts
Yes, I love fish too... The thing is higher up the food chain contains higher levels of heavy metals. Bio accumulating, means sharks and swordfish contain much more than say whiting or mullet which are faster growing.
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Apr 12, 2020 5:38 AM CST " Here's what we know ..."
pat8lanips: Yes, I love fish too... The thing is higher up the food chain contains higher levels of heavy metals. Bio accumulating, means sharks and swordfish contain much more than say whiting or mullet which are faster growing.
I tend to avoid tuna, usually stick to white fish and salmon. Not a great lover of red meat these days
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Apr 12, 2020 5:39 AM CST " Here's what we know ..."
pat8lanips
pat8lanipspat8lanipsbabinda, Queensland Australia67 Threads 14 Polls 6,372 Posts
Can you, or can you not, name ANY compound of mercury that is not poisonous or injurious to human health!

Off the top of my head no, that wasn't what I studied. But, if a compound contains mercury that does not always make it toxic... Mercury amalgum tooth fillings for example. Without bashing the books, a mixture of silver mercury whatever, makes it stable. Like an aluminium fry pan or whatever, or like elemental lead being less harmfull than lead phosphate etc.

As I was hinting before, just because an element can be very dangerous and poison, sodium chloride for example, both are toxic but together in that form are essential for us to live.

There's chromium in stainless steel, a very nasty thing, but I bet your knives and forks are all stainless steel.
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Apr 12, 2020 5:39 AM CST " Here's what we know ..."
HexagonKeySet
HexagonKeySetHexagonKeySetCentral, Waikato New Zealand150 Threads 7 Polls 3,829 Posts
pat8lanips: Yes, I love fish too... The thing is higher up the food chain contains higher levels of heavy metals. Bio accumulating, means sharks and swordfish contain much more than say whiting or mullet which are faster growing.
Tuna is very popular in Australia and also known to contain considerable levels of Mercury ( Oh, BTW You STILL HAVE Named any form of non poisonous Mercury Compound )

This might explain much re you both (CnP)

Mercury is also believed to target the brain. According to the Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR), inorganic, or elemental, mercury is converted into a divalent mercury ion, which can bind to thiol or sulfhydryl groups in proteins, resulting in disruption of protein structure and function (ATSDR, 1999). This may induce oxidative stress, lipid peroxidation, and mitochondrial dysfunction (ATSDR, 1999), which may promote the decline in cognitive performance. Methylmercury obtained via diet can accumulate in both the adult and fetal brain and is slowly transformed into inorganic mercury, which can act via the aforementioned mechanisms (National Academies of Science, 2000). A brain imaging study found that the areas of the brain most vulnerable to the toxic effects of mercury are the calcarine region, pre- and postcentral gyri, and the temporal transverse gyrus (Taber & Hurley, 2008). Granule cells in the cerebellum are also susceptible to harm (Taber & Hurley, 2008).
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Apr 12, 2020 5:41 AM CST " Here's what we know ..."
pat8lanips
pat8lanipspat8lanipsbabinda, Queensland Australia67 Threads 14 Polls 6,372 Posts
Salmon has its own issues too, farmed salmon has huge environmental impacts, wild caught depletes the gene pool etc.

Fast growing is the most sustainable, but even then us humans are taking a bit much.
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Apr 12, 2020 5:45 AM CST " Here's what we know ..."
pat8lanips
pat8lanipspat8lanipsbabinda, Queensland Australia67 Threads 14 Polls 6,372 Posts
I have hexy, google scholar is great right? I doubt you'd actually understand much of that.
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Apr 12, 2020 5:46 AM CST " Here's what we know ..."
HexagonKeySet
HexagonKeySetHexagonKeySetCentral, Waikato New Zealand150 Threads 7 Polls 3,829 Posts
pat8lanips: Can you, or can you not, name ANY compound of mercury that is not poisonous or injurious to human health!

Off the top of my head no, that wasn't what I studied. But, if a compound contains mercury that does not always make it toxic... Mercury amalgum tooth fillings for example. Without bashing the books, a mixture of silver mercury whatever, makes it stable. Like an aluminium fry pan or whatever, or like elemental lead being less harmfull than lead phosphate etc.

As I was hinting before, just because an element can be very dangerous and poison, sodium chloride for example, both are toxic but together in that form are essential for us to live.

There's chromium in stainless steel, a very nasty thing, but I bet your knives and forks are all stainless steel.
You're not aware that mercury amalgam fillings have been the subject of a multitude of studies related to leaching and systemic poisoning ?

Are you not sufficiently well read ( as chemistry is your claimed forte ) on the negative health effects experienced by dental staff from handling mercury amalgam products - just as a single example?

No, you cannot name any mercury compound that is not poisonous or injurious to human health because ... there are none !
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Apr 12, 2020 5:51 AM CST " Here's what we know ..."
HexagonKeySet
HexagonKeySetHexagonKeySetCentral, Waikato New Zealand150 Threads 7 Polls 3,829 Posts
pat8lanips: I have hexy, google scholar is great right? I doubt you'd actually understand much of that.
I'm not going to claim to understand every word, but I do know enough to be able to target meaningful research from reliable sources!

But again, you rely on weaselly words to try and get you out of a hole.

Lead also is a poison, and similarly to Mercury there are NO LEAD COMPOUNDS that can be regarded as safe ...
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