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Apr 22, 2020 6:16 AM CST Boris Johnson is the wrong man in the wrong job at the wrong time
tomcatty
tomcattytomcattyCoral Bay, Paphos, Paphos Cyprus368 Threads 6 Polls 6,885 Posts
Polly Toynbee
The Guardian2 days ago

Everything unravels with almost indecent speed. After a brush with death, the prime minister is still recovering at Chequers when one of his many supportive newspapers drops a grenade straight down his Elizabethan chimney. No period of grace and convalescence: the Sunday Times didn’t even wait for him to stumble back to Downing Street before firing off its devastating attack on his cavalier incompetence over the coronavirus outbreak.

What makes the insiders’ account so devastating is that it chimes with everything everyone already knows about Boris Johnson’s character. An unnamed “senior adviser” to Downing Street “broke ranks” to say: “What you learn about Boris was he didn’t chair any meetings. He liked his country breaks. He didn’t work weekends. It was like working for an old-fashioned chief executive in a local authority 20 years ago. There was a real sense that he didn’t do urgent crisis planning. It was exactly like people feared he would be.”

Related: The world needs a coronavirus vaccine. But it will take time | Patrick Vallance

Exaggerated or not, hearing that the prime minister took two weeks’ holiday at Chevening as the virus began to spread in the UK will stick in the public memory. Nor will anyone forget his cheery 3 March boast that he was still shaking hands with virus-sufferers. Nor that he was at Twickenham for a crowded rugby match on 7 March. But above all, he missed not one but all of the first five Cobra meetings on the gathering crisis. Gordon Brown chaired every single Cobra meeting on foot and mouth – when only the health of animals was at stake. Johnson is charged with wasting 38 days before taking serious action against an epidemic approaching in plain sight. In his mind, China was far away. And even when Italy suffered the full horror – despite being better prepared, with more beds and more intensive care units – well, that was just Italy.

No one elected Boris Johnson to cope with a plague. The small group of ageing activists in the Tory party selected him for his Brexitry – and they liked the cut of his cheery jib. He was fun, upbeat, popular and, above all, he had swung the Brexit vote to victory. Michael Gove reported on Sunday that the prime minister is “in cheerful spirits”, but that’s bafflingly inappropriate. Cheerful? About what? Good croquet on the blossom-strewn Chequers lawns? There are scores of dead doctors and nurses among some 20,000 dead citizens, and rising. Here is the wrong man in the wrong job at the wrong time – the polar opposite of Winston Churchill’s arrival in power.

What makes Johnson supremely unsuited to this particular darkest hour is his natural antipathy towards the state. In a speech mainly on Brexit in Greenwich on 3 February, he attacked Wuhan-style lockdowns: “We are starting to hear some bizarre autarkic rhetoric, when barriers are going up, and when there is a risk that new diseases such as coronavirus will trigger a panic and a desire for market segregation.” He went on: “Humanity needs some government somewhere that is willing at least to make the case powerfully for freedom of exchange.” He was that government, along with Donald Trump. “Herd immunity” was Johnson’s policy until it became politically unsustainable. Thereafter, incompetence.

The Financial Times’ analysis of bungled ventilator procurement is a sobering read: it says the government called in non-specialists to make up the shortfall in units and ended up with products unfit for Covid-19 patients. And the Guardian revealed that, under austerity, there was a deliberate 40% cut in emergency personal protective equipment stockpiled for an epidemic.

Labour’s shadow health secretary, Jonathan Ashworth, is calling for publication of the findings of a three-day epidemic simulation in 2016, Exercise Cygnus, which uncovered a critical shortage of intensive care beds, morgue capacity and PPE. The government is refusing freedom of information.I
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Apr 22, 2020 6:22 AM CST Boris Johnson is the wrong man in the wrong job at the wrong time
Mercedes_00online today!
Mercedes_00online today!Mercedes_00Greater Sydney, New South Wales Australia18 Threads 20,428 Posts
I'm so over these topics..This could of been put on the other Boris thread
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Apr 22, 2020 6:23 AM CST Boris Johnson is the wrong man in the wrong job at the wrong time
germanspitzonline now!
germanspitzonline now!germanspitzingoldmells, Lincolnshire, England UK18 Threads 2,111 Posts
Polly Toynbee
The Guardian2 days ago

Everything unravels with almost indecent speed. After a brush with death, the prime minister is still recovering at Chequers when one of his many supportive newspapers drops a grenade straight down his Elizabethan chimney. No period of grace and convalescence: the Sunday Times didn’t even wait for him to stumble back to Downing Street before firing off its devastating attack on his cavalier incompetence over the coronavirus outbreak.

What makes the insiders’ account so devastating is that it chimes with everything everyone already knows about Boris Johnson’s character. An unnamed “senior adviser” to Downing Street “broke ranks” to say: “What you learn about Boris was he didn’t chair any meetings. He liked his country breaks. He didn’t work weekends. It was like working for an old-fashioned chief executive in a local authority 20 years ago. There was a real sense that he didn’t do urgent crisis planning. It was exactly like people feared he would be.”

Related: The world needs a coronavirus vaccine. But it will take time | Patrick Vallance

Exaggerated or not, hearing that the prime minister took two weeks’ holiday at Chevening as the virus began to spread in the UK will stick in the public memory. Nor will anyone forget his cheery 3 March boast that he was still shaking hands with virus-sufferers. Nor that he was at Twickenham for a crowded rugby match on 7 March. But above all, he missed not one but all of the first five Cobra meetings on the gathering crisis. Gordon Brown chaired every single Cobra meeting on foot and mouth – when only the health of animals was at stake. Johnson is charged with wasting 38 days before taking serious action against an epidemic approaching in plain sight. In his mind, China was far away. And even when Italy suffered the full horror – despite being better prepared, with more beds and more intensive care units – well, that was just Italy.

No one elected Boris Johnson to cope with a plague. The small group of ageing activists in the Tory party selected him for his Brexitry – and they liked the cut of his cheery jib. He was fun, upbeat, popular and, above all, he had swung the Brexit vote to victory. Michael Gove reported on Sunday that the prime minister is “in cheerful spirits”, but that’s bafflingly inappropriate. Cheerful? About what? Good croquet on the blossom-strewn Chequers lawns? There are scores of dead doctors and nurses among some 20,000 dead citizens, and rising. Here is the wrong man in the wrong job at the wrong time – the polar opposite of Winston Churchill’s arrival in power.

What makes Johnson supremely unsuited to this particular darkest hour is his natural antipathy towards the state. In a speech mainly on Brexit in Greenwich on 3 February, he attacked Wuhan-style lockdowns: “We are starting to hear some bizarre autarkic rhetoric, when barriers are going up, and when there is a risk that new diseases such as coronavirus will trigger a panic and a desire for market segregation.” He went on: “Humanity needs some government somewhere that is willing at least to make the case powerfully for freedom of exchange.” He was that government, along with Donald Trump. “Herd immunity” was Johnson’s policy until it became politically unsustainable. Thereafter, incompetence.

The Financial Times’ analysis of bungled ventilator procurement is a sobering read: it says the government called in non-specialists to make up the shortfall in units and ended up with products unfit for Covid-19 patients. And the Guardian revealed that, under austerity, there was a deliberate 40% cut in emergency personal protective equipment stockpiled for an epidemic.

Labour’s shadow health secretary, Jonathan Ashworth, is calling for publication of the findings of a three-day epidemic simulation in 2016, Exercise Cygnus, which uncovered a critical shortage of intensive care beds, morgue capacity and PPE. The government is refusing freedom of in
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Apr 22, 2020 6:25 AM CST Boris Johnson is the wrong man in the wrong job at the wrong time
tomcatty
tomcattytomcattyCoral Bay, Paphos, Paphos Cyprus368 Threads 6 Polls 6,885 Posts
Mercedes_00: I'm so over these topics..This could of been put on the other Boris thread
This is a Boris threadlaugh
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Apr 22, 2020 6:25 AM CST Boris Johnson is the wrong man in the wrong job at the wrong time
germanspitzonline now!
germanspitzonline now!germanspitzingoldmells, Lincolnshire, England UK18 Threads 2,111 Posts
Where is the rest of this "copy and paste" ?

You have printed her opinion so do you agree with her?
dunno
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Apr 22, 2020 6:25 AM CST Boris Johnson is the wrong man in the wrong job at the wrong time
Mercedes_00online today!
Mercedes_00online today!Mercedes_00Greater Sydney, New South Wales Australia18 Threads 20,428 Posts
tomcatty: This is a Boris thread
You had one up the other day is what I'm saying
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Apr 22, 2020 6:30 AM CST Boris Johnson is the wrong man in the wrong job at the wrong time
tomcatty
tomcattytomcattyCoral Bay, Paphos, Paphos Cyprus368 Threads 6 Polls 6,885 Posts
germanspitz: Where is the rest of this "copy and paste" ?

You have printed her opinion so do you agree with her?
I ran out of space, yes I agree with her argument, but I think Boris is still ill with a syndrom which sometimes attacks attacks people who have had intensive care.
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Apr 22, 2020 6:43 AM CST Boris Johnson is the wrong man in the wrong job at the wrong time
germanspitzonline now!
germanspitzonline now!germanspitzingoldmells, Lincolnshire, England UK18 Threads 2,111 Posts
tomcatty: I ran out of space, yes I agree with her argument, but I think Boris is still ill with a syndrom which sometimes attacks attacks people who have had intensive care.
The Government were aware of this outbreak in December He did very little BEFORE the outbreak, missed 5 Cobra meetings and was slow off the mark in dealing with this ,which is why your pal Piers spouts off . Therefore he has to take the flack.

Matt Hancock also had the virus but has been desperately trying to sort things out and no doubt he''ll get the blame for the lack of PPE. People are good at passing the buck in politics.sigh
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Apr 22, 2020 7:04 AM CST Boris Johnson is the wrong man in the wrong job at the wrong time
tomcatty
tomcattytomcattyCoral Bay, Paphos, Paphos Cyprus368 Threads 6 Polls 6,885 Posts
germanspitz: The Government were aware of this outbreak in December He did very little BEFORE the outbreak, missed 5 Cobra meetings and was slow off the mark in dealing with this ,which is why your pal Piers spouts off . Therefore he has to take the flack.

Matt Hancock also had the virus but has been desperately trying to sort things out and no doubt he''ll get the blame for the lack of PPE. People are good at passing the buck in politics.
Where is your evidence of these statements, or are the your conjecture again?
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Apr 22, 2020 7:32 AM CST Boris Johnson is the wrong man in the wrong job at the wrong time
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
As life moves to being about passion and fun I wouldn't be surprised if we elect playboys and mafiamen as easily as the Italians did Berlusconi. You can't win an argument just by being right. Not when there's feelings involved. It's all like a top-down version of the 1960s where Austin Powers is the man.
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Apr 22, 2020 7:32 AM CST Boris Johnson is the wrong man in the wrong job at the wrong time
germanspitzonline now!
germanspitzonline now!germanspitzingoldmells, Lincolnshire, England UK18 Threads 2,111 Posts
Apr 22, 2020 8:03 AM CST Boris Johnson is the wrong man in the wrong job at the wrong time
bodleing2
bodleing2bodleing2Manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK84 Threads 6,132 Posts
Not long into Boris' s term of office and Tom makes a u turn.

doh
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Apr 22, 2020 8:17 AM CST Boris Johnson is the wrong man in the wrong job at the wrong time
tomcatty
tomcattytomcattyCoral Bay, Paphos, Paphos Cyprus368 Threads 6 Polls 6,885 Posts
bodleing2: Not long into Boris' s term of office and Tom makes a u turn.
I hope he comes bouncing back, but as I said i think there are complications, stemmimg from his treatment in ICU, Why hasn't he surfaced yet, the complicationsi talk about are are known medical conditions stemming from his invasive treatment in ICU, this is my opinion, and the counyry needs a leader NOW.
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Apr 22, 2020 8:30 AM CST Boris Johnson is the wrong man in the wrong job at the wrong time
germanspitzonline now!
germanspitzonline now!germanspitzingoldmells, Lincolnshire, England UK18 Threads 2,111 Posts
tomcatty: I never post in the CS lounge
Whateverfrustrated


It's still a forum wherever you post.

An Internet forum, or message board, is an online discussion site where people can hold conversations in the form of posted messages. Forums act as centralized locations for topical discussion.
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Apr 22, 2020 8:33 AM CST Boris Johnson is the wrong man in the wrong job at the wrong time
tomcatty
tomcattytomcattyCoral Bay, Paphos, Paphos Cyprus368 Threads 6 Polls 6,885 Posts
roll eyes
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Apr 22, 2020 8:39 AM CST Boris Johnson is the wrong man in the wrong job at the wrong time
Bnaughty
BnaughtyBnaughtyMálaga, Andalusia Spain43 Threads 2 Polls 4,685 Posts
It should be me in the job but I can´t be arséd
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Apr 22, 2020 9:50 AM CST Boris Johnson is the wrong man in the wrong job at the wrong time
bodleing2
bodleing2bodleing2Manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK84 Threads 6,132 Posts
I said a while ago, he would make a good game show host with his cheery feel good factor and flippant quips. But this is no game show and even before his illness he was exposed as not being up to the job.
He will be judged by this for many days to come.
Maybe we could all stand on our doorsteps on a Wednesday night to boo and jeer at the shambles we've witnessed, especially when it comes to the PPE fiasco.
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Apr 22, 2020 10:05 AM CST Boris Johnson is the wrong man in the wrong job at the wrong time
PeKaatje
PeKaatjePeKaatjeAnkeveen, North Holland Netherlands59 Threads 3 Polls 6,334 Posts
Be glad you are out of de EU, people from the UK. Italy, Spain and France wants to introduce Eurobonds. then they can make debts and the whole EU is paying for them.
Luckily The Netherlands and Germany refuse. But how long kan they stand their ground?
Also east-European countries refuse to take refugees, they say: give us a fine, we rather pay the fine than that we have to accept fugs. So they will be send to western European countries.
If the UK was still in the EU, they would have had extra problems too, and as we look to the last few years with several terrorist attacks, I would say: Support BoJO. He knows what is good for the UK.
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Apr 22, 2020 10:06 AM CST Boris Johnson is the wrong man in the wrong job at the wrong time
germanspitzonline now!
germanspitzonline now!germanspitzingoldmells, Lincolnshire, England UK18 Threads 2,111 Posts
bodleing2: I said a while ago, he would make a good game show host with his cheery feel good factor and flippant quips. But this is no game show and even before his illness he was exposed as not being up to the job.
He will be judged by this for many days to come.
Maybe we could all stand on our doorsteps on a Wednesday night to boo and jeer at the shambles we've witnessed, especially when it comes to the PPE fiasco.
Have to agree Bod. He likes the position and status but when it comes to the crunch he's out of his depth.sigh
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Apr 22, 2020 10:06 AM CST Boris Johnson is the wrong man in the wrong job at the wrong time
mollybaby
mollybabymollybabyCork City, Cork Ireland56 Threads 8 Polls 23,608 Posts
bodleing2: I said a while ago, he would make a good game show host with his cheery feel good factor and flippant quips. But this is no game show and even before his illness he was exposed as not being up to the job.
He will be judged by this for many days to come.
Maybe we could all stand on our doorsteps on a Wednesday night to boo and jeer at the shambles we've witnessed, especially when it comes to the PPE fiasco.
Strangely enough, it was his appearance guest host on Have I got news for You that bolstered his ratings years ago when he was slipping into t
obscurity.
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