PeKaatjeOPAnkeveen, North Holland Netherlands6,334 posts
The central bank of the European Union (ECB) is buying debts from countries without the chance for any state to agree with this. The idea is to support the economy, factories and offices can loan money. So if Italy makes a lot of debts the CEB is paying, actually other countries are paying for the debts Italy is making. (It could be any European country of course).
The Germans now want to stop this or they won't pay anymore. And they are right. The rules of the ECB are promoting fraud and neglect the budgetary rules of countries. While countries like Germany and The Netherlands behave countries in the south and east of Europe often don't.
East European countries also refuse to take the fair share of the fugetives and send them on to western Europe. They prefer a fine, pay for it, but in the end the west iws paying for most east European countries are getting more money than they are paying to the EU. List of 2012 and 2019
PeKaatjeOPAnkeveen, North Holland Netherlands6,334 posts
yeah, UK must be glad with the Brexit. Hope the Netherlands will follow.
The system doesn't work when not all countries have the same rules, same politics, same human rights etc.
Also the difference in salaries is a big issue. Lot of East Europeans come here, work here for a few months or years and then they say they are sick and return to Poland, getting an unemployedment benefit from the Netherlands, and that is twice as much as than when they work in their own country. So they stay at home for 2 years.
Countries where people live should be responsible for the unemployedment benefit, not the country where they worked for some months/years.
The EU will fail in the same way as the Reich. Germans and Italians are too different, you can't have the north doing all the functioning mxed with the Italian job of fascist playboys and style gurus. The trains never did run on time no matter what Mussolini said, sooner or later Germany will be carrying Italy and the other less than white Europeans.
Terencios3Welwyn, Hertfordshire, England UK61 Posts
Terencios3Welwyn, Hertfordshire, England UK61 posts
ChesneyChrist: The EU will fail in the same way as the Reich. Germans and Italians are too different, you can't have the north doing all the functioning mxed with the Italian job of fascist playboys and style gurus. The trains never did run on time no matter what Mussolini said, sooner or later Germany will be carrying Italy and the other less than white Europeans.
The difference between Southern and Eastern Europe is that the East develops. For the latins you get the sense of tourist trap or bust. One way or another we have to be spend money generously because we're in a very good mood or they become more like the Egypt they sort of are
PeKaatje: yeah, UK must be glad with the Brexit. Hope the Netherlands will follow.
The system doesn't work when not all countries have the same rules, same politics, same human rights etc.
Also the difference in salaries is a big issue. Lot of East Europeans come here, work here for a few months or years and then they say they are sick and return to Poland, getting an unemployedment benefit from the Netherlands, and that is twice as much as than when they work in their own country. So they stay at home for 2 years.
Countries where people live should be responsible for the unemployedment benefit, not the country where they worked for some months/years.
And I've a lot more sympathy for what Eastern Europe went through at the hands of Germans and then of Russians over fascism first and last from the latin charlatan.
Terencios3Welwyn, Hertfordshire, England UK61 Posts
Terencios3Welwyn, Hertfordshire, England UK61 posts
ChesneyChrist: And I've a lot more sympathy for what Eastern Europe went through at the hands of Germans and then of Russians over fascism first and last from the latin charlatan.
I've more sympathy, for the people, who have to listen to you.
Terencios3Welwyn, Hertfordshire, England UK61 Posts
Terencios3Welwyn, Hertfordshire, England UK61 posts
ChesneyChrist: And I've a lot more sympathy for what Eastern Europe went through at the hands of Germans and then of Russians over fascism first and last from the latin charlatan.
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So if Italy makes a lot of debts the CEB is paying, actually other countries are paying for the debts Italy is making. (It could be any European country of course).
The Germans now want to stop this or they won't pay anymore.
And they are right. The rules of the ECB are promoting fraud and neglect the budgetary rules of countries. While countries like Germany and The Netherlands behave countries in the south and east of Europe often don't.
East European countries also refuse to take the fair share of the fugetives and send them on to western Europe. They prefer a fine, pay for it, but in the end the west iws paying for most east European countries are getting more money than they are paying to the EU.
List of 2012 and 2019