Why is SWEDEN not under lockdown? ( Archived) (62)

Jul 7, 2020 7:34 AM CST Why is SWEDEN not under lockdown?
Lasagna
LasagnaLasagnaBuenos Aires, Argentina10 Threads 191 Posts
What makes swedes so special that they get to go out while the rest of us are prisoners. professor

laugh
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Jul 7, 2020 7:39 AM CST Why is SWEDEN not under lockdown?
Sawdust_Molly
Sawdust_MollySawdust_MollyPeriana, Andalusia Spain28 Threads 718 Posts
Lasagna: What makes swedes so special that they get to go out while the rest of us are prisoners.
The Swedish Gouvernement believes that group immunity is the best way to beat Covid 19. Sweden has taken a controversially relaxed approach to COVID-19. It has not initiated a nationwide lockdown to flatten the curve. Instead, Sweden seems to be pinning its hopes on herd immunity to stop the transmission of the virus through mass infection.

The idea is if more people are infected and obtain antibodies, people will eventually gain immunity to the virus. The country has kept restaurants, schools, and gyms open and urged its residents to social distance and wash their hands.
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Jul 7, 2020 7:41 AM CST Why is SWEDEN not under lockdown?
Lasagna
LasagnaLasagnaBuenos Aires, Argentina10 Threads 191 Posts
Sawdust_Molly: The Swedish Gouvernement believes that group immunity is the best way to beat Covid 19. Sweden has taken a controversially relaxed approach to COVID-19. It has not initiated a nationwide lockdown to flatten the curve. Instead, Sweden seems to be pinning its hopes on herd immunity to stop the transmission of the virus through mass infection.

The idea is if more people are infected and obtain antibodies, people will eventually gain immunity to the virus. The country has kept restaurants, schools, and gyms open and urged its residents to social distance and wash their hands.
I'm torn by the Swedish approach of lets just watch people die.
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Jul 7, 2020 7:46 AM CST Why is SWEDEN not under lockdown?
Sawdust_Molly
Sawdust_MollySawdust_MollyPeriana, Andalusia Spain28 Threads 718 Posts
Lasagna: I'm torn by the Swedish approach of lets just watch people die.
Exactly, a month ago, Sweden had recorded 46,814 confirmed cases and 4,795 deaths from coronavirus, putting it among the worst hit countries in Europe....

uh oh
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Jul 7, 2020 7:50 AM CST Why is SWEDEN not under lockdown?
methuzelah
methuzelahmethuzelahTampa, Florida USA296 Threads 1,633 Posts
they don't have a moron leader
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Jul 7, 2020 8:23 AM CST Why is SWEDEN not under lockdown?
Tulefell
TulefellTulefellGothenburg, Vastra Gotaland Sweden103 Threads 5 Polls 3,298 Posts
I think that’ve said it before: the original goal was to “flatten the curve” in order to skip a “jam” of cases, that the health care wouldn’t be able to manage.

What makes Sweden so special is that it managed to flatten the curve without lockdown: people did follow the recommendations and still following. The health care never been so overwhelmed that it had to deny treatment because of the lack of capacity.

It’s too early to say whether it’s the right strategy: the pandemic isn’t over yet.
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Jul 7, 2020 8:24 AM CST Why is SWEDEN not under lockdown?
Soonyuleknow
SoonyuleknowSoonyuleknowGuadalajara, Jalisco Mexico27 Threads 251 Posts
Molly can you provide us with a demographic breakdown of the people getting the virus in Sweden?
Is ts mainly crowded immigrant communities that are the worse affected, or are people who are living their life while maintaining reasonable social distancing causing the high numbers? Thanks.
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Jul 7, 2020 8:32 AM CST Why is SWEDEN not under lockdown?
Salvio
SalvioSalvioNaples, Campania Italy3 Threads 2 Polls 11 Posts
Why does nobody understand that the only way to fight this and other diseases it's to use DPB (dynamic postprandial balance).

No bacteria or yeasts in the gut = a very strong immune system.

Ii I can give a piece of advice you should translate this:



I think that this is the only man that got how to be stronger against disease, you can hear about listening:



Believe or not, this is the only truth that helps human beings to have the immune system as other animals on the earth.

Good reading!!!
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Jul 7, 2020 8:40 AM CST Why is SWEDEN not under lockdown?
Tulefell
TulefellTulefellGothenburg, Vastra Gotaland Sweden103 Threads 5 Polls 3,298 Posts
Salvio: Why does nobody understand that the only way to fight this and other diseases it's to use DPB (dynamic postprandial balance).

No bacteria or yeasts in the gut = a very strong immune system.

Ii I can give a piece of advice you should translate this:



I think that this is the only man that got how to be stronger against disease, you can hear about listening:



Believe or not, this is the only truth that helps human beings to have the immune system as other animals on the earth.

Good reading!!!
Can you provide a summary for the article? It's really not feasible to translate so much specific text, if you don't know the language.

Though what I know is: certain types of gut bacteria support immune system and there's a lot of information on the subject for those, who care to google.
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Jul 7, 2020 8:58 AM CST Why is SWEDEN not under lockdown?
Soonyuleknow
SoonyuleknowSoonyuleknowGuadalajara, Jalisco Mexico27 Threads 251 Posts
I found an article that may hold a clue to Sweden's COVID numbers.

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Jul 7, 2020 9:11 AM CST Why is SWEDEN not under lockdown?
Soonyuleknow
SoonyuleknowSoonyuleknowGuadalajara, Jalisco Mexico27 Threads 251 Posts
Here is a little from the above article that's makes sense. You can read the article for yourself if you want to understand why percentages of cases are higher in immigrant homes and communities.

This does help to explain how this is probably being brought into nursing homes full of native Swedes.

"In early April, Swedish media reported that a third of all elderly care homes in Stockholm had recorded cases of COVID-19. On April 16, the Public Health Agency said a third of all COVID-19 deaths in Sweden—at the time, there were 1,333 confirmed fatalities—had occurred at care homes. While a large proportion of the workforce at those homes is made up of immigrants—28 percent are foreign-born, and in Stockholm the figure is 55 percent, according to the National Board of Health and Welfare—drawing a link here would be “purely speculative,” according to Tegnell. "
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Jul 7, 2020 9:49 AM CST Why is SWEDEN not under lockdown?
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
A collective rationality undermined by that fashionable obsession with outsiders. The taboo-busting incomprehensible society that civilisation eventually becomes, like the last days of Rome. Social progress hates itself.
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Jul 7, 2020 9:56 AM CST Why is SWEDEN not under lockdown?
Sawdust_Molly: The Swedish Gouvernement believes that group immunity is the best way to beat Covid 19. Sweden has taken a controversially relaxed approach to COVID-19. It has not initiated a nationwide lockdown to flatten the curve. Instead, Sweden seems to be pinning its hopes on herd immunity to stop the transmission of the virus through mass infection.

The idea is if more people are infected and obtain antibodies, people will eventually gain immunity to the virus. The country has kept restaurants, schools, and gyms open and urged its residents to social distance and wash their hands.
so if they want people to get herd immunity why wash their hands and keep distance...confused
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Jul 7, 2020 10:03 AM CST Why is SWEDEN not under lockdown?
bodleing2
bodleing2bodleing2Manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK84 Threads 6,132 Posts
Did you know gratrunka is the Swedish word for crying while m**turbating

Ain't that a real tear jerker?????
laugh

Well this thread is in the jokes and humour section.

dunno
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Jul 7, 2020 10:48 AM CST Why is SWEDEN not under lockdown?
Tulefell
TulefellTulefellGothenburg, Vastra Gotaland Sweden103 Threads 5 Polls 3,298 Posts
michaelright: so if they want people to get herd immunity why wash their hands and keep distance...
They wanted to get there slowly, by "flattering the curve".





"Some 15% of men didn't wash their hands at all, compared with 7% of women. When they did wash their hands, only 50% of men used soap, compared with 78% of women."
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Jul 7, 2020 10:54 AM CST Why is SWEDEN not under lockdown?
tomcatty
tomcattytomcattyCoral Bay, Paphos, Paphos Cyprus368 Threads 6 Polls 6,885 Posts
Tulefell: They wanted to get there slowly, by "flattering the curve".





"Some 15% of men didn't wash their hands at all, compared with 7% of women. When they did wash their hands, only 50% of men used soap, compared with 78% of women."
What about the old and vulnerable, the Swedish seem to want them to diedunno
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Jul 7, 2020 11:14 AM CST Why is SWEDEN not under lockdown?
Tulefell
TulefellTulefellGothenburg, Vastra Gotaland Sweden103 Threads 5 Polls 3,298 Posts
tomcatty: What about the old and vulnerable, the Swedish seem to want them to die
Ask the Swedish.
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Jul 7, 2020 11:19 AM CST Why is SWEDEN not under lockdown?
tomcatty
tomcattytomcattyCoral Bay, Paphos, Paphos Cyprus368 Threads 6 Polls 6,885 Posts
Tulefell: Ask the Swedish.
I thought I just did??
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Jul 7, 2020 12:27 PM CST Why is SWEDEN not under lockdown?
Miss_Cellaneous
Miss_CellaneousMiss_CellaneousWyre, Lancashire, England UK1 Threads 2,444 Posts
Lasagna: What makes swedes so special that they get to go out while the rest of us are prisoners.
Why should Sweden go in a "lock down" when they're not one of the most infected "Countries" Sweden isn't "Special" at all. Compare the deaths in the US, Uk, Brazil, Italy, Spain to Sweden..............

Hope this helps.......Quite a good source re infections and deaths.......






Well done Swedenthumbs up
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Jul 7, 2020 12:41 PM CST Why is SWEDEN not under lockdown?
Miss_Cellaneous
Miss_CellaneousMiss_CellaneousWyre, Lancashire, England UK1 Threads 2,444 Posts
Sawdust_Molly: Exactly, a month ago, Sweden had recorded 46,814 confirmed cases and 4,795 deaths from coronavirus, putting it among the worst hit countries in Europe....
Sorry but that is total rubbish. A month ago it was Italy, then Spain and then the Uk took top place in the EU. Sweden didn't even come into the equation . Again these are the numbers.....




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