Is physical punishment good for children? ( Archived) (79)

Jul 8, 2020 2:06 PM CST Is physical punishment good for children?
AI_1984
AI_1984AI_1984Pueblo del Mar, Murcia Spain12 Threads 769 Posts
snowlynx: Fear is an important part of life, we all fear the consequences of doing wrong, unless you think you can create Nirvana hear on earth, which has never worked.
*HERE on earth? wink
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Jul 8, 2020 2:09 PM CST Is physical punishment good for children?
blathin
blathinblathinGlasgow, Central, Scotland UK3,125 Posts
snowlynx: Fear is an important part of life, we all fear the consequences of doing wrong, unless you think you can create Nirvana hear on earth, which has never worked.
Yes fear is important, it's called self preservation. Even the most courageous experience fear, but they don't let it stop them from pursing whatever goals they're focused on...they just know when to listen to the fear and when to ignore it..#

If everyone was afraid of doing wrong we'd still be in caves.....

The kind of fear I think you might be talking about too is the kind of fear parents instill in their child for just being a child...making a mess, getting dirty, breaking something....saying something wrong...the parent who contantly needles their child isn't instilling fear they're terrorising their child and.that's a deeply insdious fear that will follow that child for the rest of it's life, and probably ruin that child's life, and then their own children's lives...it's a nasty poison.

The kids (and adults) that are out of control.....they're crying out for help and are the ones who need real help, love, kindness, tolerance, patience and a strong hand to guide them....not a beating....

There;s nothing wrong with aspiring towards a high bar..or as you call it Nirvana....we might never reach it, but it might mean a lot of children's lives..and by extension, a lot of adult's lifes are far happier...
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Jul 9, 2020 3:31 AM CST Is physical punishment good for children?
blathin: Yes fear is important, it's called self preservation. Even the most courageous experience fear, but they don't let it stop them from pursing whatever goals they're focused on...they just know when to listen to the fear and when to ignore it..#

If everyone was afraid of doing wrong we'd still be in caves.....

The kind of fear I think you might be talking about too is the kind of fear parents instill in their child for just being a child...making a mess, getting dirty, breaking something....saying something wrong...the parent who contantly needles their child isn't instilling fear they're terrorising their child and.that's a deeply insdious fear that will follow that child for the rest of it's life, and probably ruin that child's life, and then their own children's lives...it's a nasty poison.

The kids (and adults) that are out of control.....they're crying out for help and are the ones who need real help, love, kindness, tolerance, patience and a strong hand to guide them....not a beating....

There;s nothing wrong with aspiring towards a high bar..or as you call it Nirvana....we might never reach it, but it might mean a lot of children's lives..and by extension, a lot of adult's lifes are far happier...
Some adults that are out of control need a good beating, a very severe beating as it's the only thing they understand, trying to make them better people is doomed to failure. With kids obviously it's different as you still have a chance with them but once they reach about 15 or 16 it's too late.
I don't know what you mean by 'still living in cages', what has that got to do with crime and punishment?
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Jul 12, 2020 7:29 AM CST Is physical punishment good for children?
Leibherr580
Leibherr580Leibherr580plymouth, Devon, England UK1 Threads 31 Posts
Lasagna: Yes or No ?
Some say children are more obedient when they get physical punishment, this could make them less prone to getting into trouble in the future, others say it traumatizes the child and could even make them violent. What does the law say in your country regarding this practice?



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Jul 12, 2020 8:42 PM CST Is physical punishment good for children?
blathin
blathinblathinGlasgow, Central, Scotland UK3,125 Posts
HexagonKeySet: Then go ahead and despair !

Regretably the word 'LIBERAL' has been hijacked by The Loony Left and so those who still are fool enough to ID themselves 'as liberal' are going to have a hard time ...

BUT it appears your own objections are based because you also ID as Liberal yourself ?

Is that the "All mouth and blather variety' or the ' half witted academic theorist' clan or the '' anarchy, riot on the streets and disregard public and private property criminal' cult ?

I can handle far stronger and even better reasoning than I see here from yourself.

IT IS OBVIOUS TO ALL THE WORLD that so called liberality has failed ... and it's failed because it has no rules, no boundaries, no guidelines for decent behaviour or agreed conduct to maintain a decent society.

It seeks ONLY to destroy everything that it disapproves of ... and it disapproves of pretty much anything except it's own lawlessness'

ALL THAT YOU HVE IS ATTACK

So ... challenge to you and you loony band of liberal losers

GIMME SOME SOLUTIONS to the problems of crime on the streets - to murders, to rapes, to violent assaults against peaceful members of the public ...
ALL THAT YOU HAVE IS ATTACK????

Are you actually being serious? Are you really reading what I'm writing as being an attack?

I never said I was anything, nor did I say I had better anything either and i most certainly didn't say or even imply that you couldn't handle anything either...so...I don't know why you're getting so worked up. and am wondering if you're doing it deliberately.....but whatever it is I've no interest in arguing about something vague youve imagined up......plenty here who'll be more than happy to oblige though...

LOL..GIMME SOME SOLUTIONS??... Well that sums it it really doesn't it....so given how erratic and deliberately beligerent you seem I can't imagine you'd show any level of grace even if I did....or made any attempt..so thanks..I'll pass

I thought you were an intelligent man...seems I over estimated you....sadly
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Jul 12, 2020 10:57 PM CST Is physical punishment good for children?
HexagonKeySet
HexagonKeySetHexagonKeySetCentral, Waikato New Zealand150 Threads 7 Polls 3,829 Posts
blathin: ALL THAT YOU HAVE IS ATTACK????

Are you actually being serious? Are you really reading what I'm writing as being an attack?

I never said I was anything, nor did I say I had better anything either and i most certainly didn't say or even imply that you couldn't handle anything either...so...I don't know why you're getting so worked up. and am wondering if you're doing it deliberately.....but whatever it is I've no interest in arguing about something vague youve imagined up......plenty here who'll be more than happy to oblige though...

LOL..GIMME SOME SOLUTIONS??... Well that sums it it really doesn't it....so given how erratic and deliberately beligerent you seem I can't imagine you'd show any level of grace even if I did....or made any attempt..so thanks..I'll pass

I thought you were an intelligent man...seems I over estimated you....sadly
As I pointed out elsewhere it was past 3 am when you were writing - and a lack of sleep does not nothing at all for rationality in replies.

I'm not remotely concerned as to your assessment - some might think it arrogant and judgemental of you ... but I'll forgive you... maybe yer Pedro's sister :-)
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Jul 13, 2020 2:26 AM CST Is physical punishment good for children?
blathin
blathinblathinGlasgow, Central, Scotland UK3,125 Posts
HexagonKeySet: As I pointed out elsewhere it was past 3 am when you were writing - and a lack of sleep does not nothing at all for rationality in replies.

I'm not remotely concerned as to your assessment - some might think it arrogant and judgemental of you ... but I'll forgive you... maybe yer Pedro's sister :-)
It was past 3am when I was writing?

Are you for real????

It seems I have someone policing my movements on here and monitoring my sleep..or lack of it...

All feels a bit creepy to be honest...

Let me make something VERY clear to you HexagonKeySet...................

What time I'm on here, my sleep or even lack of it. are all ABSOLUTELY none of your business whatsoever and not for you to comment on.

I'm neither arrogant or judgemental or Pedro's sister. either...but I can tell you what you definitely are...consigned you to the * just ignore* basket..


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Jul 13, 2020 6:27 AM CST Is physical punishment good for children?
HexagonKeySet
HexagonKeySetHexagonKeySetCentral, Waikato New Zealand150 Threads 7 Polls 3,829 Posts
blathin: It was past 3am when I was writing?
Are you for real????
It seems I have someone policing my movements on here and monitoring my sleep..or lack of it...
All feels a bit creepy to be honest...
Let me make something VERY clear to you HexagonKeySet...................
What time I'm on here, my sleep or even lack of it. are all ABSOLUTELY none of your business whatsoever and not for you to comment on.
I'm neither arrogant or judgemental or Pedro's sister. either...but I can tell you what you definitely are...consigned you to the * just ignore* basket..
Jesus wept!!
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Get down off your watchtower and quit looking for reasons to be offended you blatherin' eejit !
I was looking for reasons to understand your erratic behaviour when I glanced at world clock ( which has GMT displayed ) and it occurred to me that SD could be an issue.

The evidence is there for all three possibilities - as for 'just ignore' ... a perfect end to my day ( 00:30 here Tues 14th - which happens to be 13:30 GMT just FYI )

Sleep well :-)
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Jul 13, 2020 9:12 AM CST Is physical punishment good for children?
PeKaatje
PeKaatjePeKaatjeAnkeveen, North Holland Netherlands59 Threads 3 Polls 6,334 Posts
of course children has to learn what they can and can't do. Is punishment the right thing? I doubt it.
Last New years eve two boys of 13 and 14 throw some fireworks on a sofa that was standing in the hallway of a flatbuilding. It shouldn't have been there, but it did and it caught fire. Due to the fire the electricity in the building fell out, while there was a family in the elevators. Two of the four (Father and son) died because they couldn't get no breath due to the smoke.
And when the boys got arrested local television and press were there. Lately they were in court and they were found guilty, but the judge said they were punished enough. They had been in all newspapers and televisionchannels, they had to move to another city, and leave their schools.
I bet they ment no harm and never wanted this sad thing to happen. So I agree that they are punished enough.

I guess showing children what will happen when they won't listen, that big accidents can happen, that people can die, that they can end up in jail, will make more impression than some slapping on the butt.
Children still got a lot to learn, even grown-ups make mistakes all the time. Sometimes a mistake will be punished by jail, a fine or losing your job, or you get some bad attention from your boss, but a lot of mistakes will never be punished.
Thing is you got to learn from your mistakes.

Of course, real criminals belong in jail, and if they are to bad, they might be killed in my opinion.
But will we ever get a perfect world where everybody is doing as they are told, nobody makes mistakes etc? Maybe if robots take over the world. I know there are shops worldwide where robots are helping the people. There will be a time when only a few people are working for all is done by robots and computers. Then humanity will be unnecessary, all we do is eat, drink, sleep, make love, play games, reading, watch television or listen to music.

Well, if robots now are clever enough to work in shops, why aren't there robots to clean the earth, the air and water from all it's polution? I guess because oilcompanies still have too much power. Who's gonna punish the oilcompanies?
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Jul 13, 2020 9:51 AM CST Is physical punishment good for children?
bodleing2: I remember the days when corporal punishment was administered by the state. It was also a part of school life, in fact at my school the prefects who were just a few years older had the right to hand out that kind of punishment. I don't remember it being any kind of deterrent, more in fact a badge of honour to some of us.
I think that's part of the problem, there is
no one size fits all when it comes to disciplining a child. I guess it depends on the child, the parent and the dynamics between them.

But, I am in no doubt, parents who can raise their children to become well balanced and responsible adults without the need for smacking have to be commended.

It's a tall order though, a fine balance. Lack of discipline, the other side of the coin, can be just as damaging. If we beat or even smack a child we run the risk of instilling fear or hatred in the child, yet if we allow bad behaviour to go mainly unpunished we run the risk of creating a person with no respect for authority or social guidelines.

However a child is brought up i believe by far the most important element in parenthood is that the child is brought up in a loving and caring environment.
I guess parenting is just not a simple as to smack or not to smack.
An interesting and thoughtful post b, up to your usual standard. That idea of prefects you guys had in England always struck me as a ghastly idea.
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Jul 13, 2020 10:17 AM CST Is physical punishment good for children?
bodleing2
bodleing2bodleing2Manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK84 Threads 6,132 Posts
snowlynx: An interesting and thoughtful post b, up to your usual standard. That idea of prefects you guys had in England always struck me as a ghastly idea.
Yes a throwback to public schools, which in the States are called private schools. Seems strange that in the uk we call private schools 'public schools.'
Anyway, it was a shock to the system to find prefects had this authority, but it did end a couple of years later.

cheers
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Jul 13, 2020 4:10 PM CST Is physical punishment good for children?
Blue72
Blue72Blue72Dublin, Ireland2 Posts
No - physical violence on a child is just wrong and unnecessaryteddybear
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Jul 13, 2020 4:21 PM CST Is physical punishment good for children?
HexagonKeySet
HexagonKeySetHexagonKeySetCentral, Waikato New Zealand150 Threads 7 Polls 3,829 Posts


cheers
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Jul 13, 2020 6:22 PM CST Is physical punishment good for children?
blathin
blathinblathinGlasgow, Central, Scotland UK3,125 Posts
Oh I'm flattered that you would equate me with such a wonderful actress.....but to be honest I'm not really the centre stage kind....thanks all the same though grin
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Jul 13, 2020 6:36 PM CST Is physical punishment good for children?
HexagonKeySet
HexagonKeySetHexagonKeySetCentral, Waikato New Zealand150 Threads 7 Polls 3,829 Posts
Yer like McGinty's goat ...

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Jul 13, 2020 6:56 PM CST Is physical punishment good for children?
HexagonKeySet
HexagonKeySetHexagonKeySetCentral, Waikato New Zealand150 Threads 7 Polls 3,829 Posts
Blue72: No - physical violence on a child is just wrong and unnecessary
It appears that you are failing to differentiate between physical punishment and physical violence

Let me help :
vi·o·lence (vi'?-l?ns)
n.
1. Behavior or treatment in which physical force is exerted for the purpose of causing damage or injury:
2.
a. Intense force or great power, as in natural phenomena: the violence of a tornado.
b. Extreme or powerful emotion or expression: the violence of their tirades.
3. Distortion of meaning or intent: do violence to a text.
American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2016 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.
violence ('va??l?ns)
n
1. the exercise or an instance of physical force, usually effecting or intended to effect injuries, destruction, etc
2. powerful, untamed, or devastating force: the violence of the sea.
3. great strength of feeling, as in language, etc; fervour
4. an unjust, unwarranted, or unlawful display of force, esp such as tends to overawe or intimidate
5. do violence to
a. to inflict harm upon; damage or violate: they did violence to the prisoners.
b. to distort or twist the sense or intention of: the reporters did violence to my speech.


punishment

n.
1. The imposition of a penalty or deprivation for wrongdoing: the swift punishment of all offenders.
2. A penalty imposed for wrongdoing: "The severity of the punishment must ... be in keeping with the kind of obligation which has been violated" (Simone Weil).
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Jul 14, 2020 11:53 AM CST Is physical punishment good for children?
Blue72: No - physical violence on a child is just wrong and unnecessary
A gentle slap of a child is not violence.
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Jul 14, 2020 12:00 PM CST Is physical punishment good for children?
PeKaatje
PeKaatjePeKaatjeAnkeveen, North Holland Netherlands59 Threads 3 Polls 6,334 Posts
But will he learn something from it? Sometimes children don't even know why they are slapped.
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Jul 14, 2020 12:05 PM CST Is physical punishment good for children?
PeKaatje: But will he learn something from it? Sometimes children don't even know why they are slapped.
Indeed they are and it's a terrible thing to happen. The child must understand why they are being punished and what they have done that merits such punishment, that is vital. If that doesn't happen then that parent shouldn't be allowed raise kids.
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Jul 14, 2020 5:28 PM CST Is physical punishment good for children?
blathin
blathinblathinGlasgow, Central, Scotland UK3,125 Posts
PeKaatje: But will he learn something from it? Sometimes children don't even know why they are slapped.
That's a good point Pekaatje...I have memories from as young as six months old right through to early primary school and those memories have had a huge influence on how I raised my chidren as well as interacted with other children.

. Adults seem to think children can understand and rationalise things in the same way as the adults..but they simply can't. Sure even some adults can't tell the difference between right and wrong but yet expect children to understand it....it's a losing game really, and unfair..
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