Is physical punishment good for children? ( Archived) (79)

Jul 14, 2020 7:29 PM CST Is physical punishment good for children?
HexagonKeySet
HexagonKeySetHexagonKeySetCentral, Waikato New Zealand150 Threads 7 Polls 3,829 Posts
thumbs up ... and the best way to ensure is that is to have 'told them' at least once and warned them of the consequence

But NEVER ever slap a child in anger

And always ASK ... Do you understand what that ( punishment ) was for ?

Having them tell you is a hundredfold more effective than relying on them to have comprehended YOUR adult language. It provides an opportunity for you to clear up any misunderstanding they may have as to the reason why - and it ensures they have learned something from the experience. Growing up is after all, all about learning isn't it?
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Jul 14, 2020 7:40 PM CST Is physical punishment good for children?
MustangWriter
MustangWriterMustangWriterBoerne, Texas USA242 Threads 3 Polls 1,762 Posts
I've always given my daughters their age in dollars each week as 'allowance'. This way they learned about money and that sometimes if they don't have enough for what they want... they just have to wait til next week or the week after. We didn't have temper tantrums over things in stores.
The way I controlled my brood was threatening to revoke their allowance. That always worked.
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Jul 14, 2020 8:23 PM CST Is physical punishment good for children?
HexagonKeySet
HexagonKeySetHexagonKeySetCentral, Waikato New Zealand150 Threads 7 Polls 3,829 Posts
MustangWriter: I've always given my daughters their age in dollars each week as 'allowance'. This way they learned about money and that sometimes if they don't have enough for what they want... they just have to wait til next week or the week after. We didn't have temper tantrums over things in stores.
The way I controlled my brood was threatening to revoke their allowance. That always worked.
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Jul 15, 2020 12:00 PM CST Is physical punishment good for children?
blathin
blathinblathinGlasgow, Central, Scotland UK3,125 Posts
HexagonKeySet: So now I'm a goat??
You're a grown man, using infantile ridicule??
I forgot - English is not your first language - please look up LIKE and understand metaphor / simile and humour.
You have publicly called me names, tried to insult me, undermine me, ridicule me and when that didn't work you tried to nit pick where ever you could, and now you're telling me to look up the word "like". Why? Do you think, in some sort of twisted way, it's a means to distance yourself from having said it or something? It won't.

And the video? What did you think you'd achieve with that? it wsn't nice for sure, but it was even more cringe worthy to see just how far you, a 63 year old man, are prepared to go. And to top it off, you then proudly declared ridicule is your go to when someone says something you don't like...

No man worth his salt would ever behave like that towards anyone Hexagon. Ever!. If by some extremely remote chance he did..then when he'd cooled down he'd realise he'd gone too far and apologise. ..You chose instead to defend your dreadful behaviour and go even futher...

And you now you have the nerve to say I should be dignified and considerate of you by emailing you privately..?? It defies belief..it really does..

The rest isn't worth replying to, it's way too childish...

Given the subject matter of this thread, this Hexagonkeyset has done a stellar job in showing us just how deeply abusive a grown adult, who claims to know right from wrong...can be. Now imagine I were a 12 year old trying to deal with this man as a father...
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Jul 15, 2020 8:34 PM CST Is physical punishment good for children?
HexagonKeySet
HexagonKeySetHexagonKeySetCentral, Waikato New Zealand150 Threads 7 Polls 3,829 Posts
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Jul 16, 2020 8:19 AM CST Is physical punishment good for children?
blathin
blathinblathinGlasgow, Central, Scotland UK3,125 Posts
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Jul 16, 2020 9:06 AM CST Is physical punishment good for children?
GeneralBeacon
GeneralBeaconGeneralBeaconNew York, USA2,381 Posts
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Jul 16, 2020 11:10 AM CST Is physical punishment good for children?
blathin
blathinblathinGlasgow, Central, Scotland UK3,125 Posts
GeneralBeacon: This was really entertaining... even goats were mentioned. Lol. Meanwhile Pedro is getting advice on how to create better threads... maybe he'll post one soon on Irish m**turbation techniques. Carry on... have a nice day.
Hi GeneralBeacon,

yes I can see how someone just looking on would find this really entertaining or even funny.

However, given the subject matter of this thread I would, respectfully as that you try put yourself in a 12 year old's shoes and imagine what it must be like for a 12 year old who has to live with this kind of person in real life....it must be an absolutely torturous existence.

Imagine being called names, being insulted, being ridiculed and made to feel really small, really stupid and then not be allowed to anwer back, to raise their voice..and worse...be told "I didn't accuse you..I said you're "like"..a goat....look up the word ""like"....you're a blathering idiot..and in the next sentence.."you're a nasty lying conniving..whatever"..Imagine being 12 and trying to deal with that...every single day.

I'm an adult and I can see through every single stunt this man has pulled But there isn't a single child in the world who could handle a father (or mother) like this and walk away with their head in tact....these are the children who end up a complete mess..on our streets and in all sorts of trouble..and then we have other adults coming along saying they should be punsished..or given a good beatening.

Like how many times do these children have to be punished for other peoples sins?? How many?

So yes, even though it's probalby hilarious on a dating site forum. My thoughts were with the children through out the whole episode, and what they have to go through in their own homes, hidden from sight where no one can see what's happening or do anything to protect them..

I know, I probably didnt' come across very well, or portray myselff in a good light. And people probably couldn't understand why I even bothered answering him, but once I realised what he was doing I really really wanted to expose the kind of behaviour that can lead a child into becoming a total mess and end up on the streets causing all sorts of trouble. Or worse, committing suicide.

If anyone reading this thinks less of me for that then that's up to them. If however there is someone reading this who can relate to it and knows of a child who's going through it right now then it might inspire them to be brave and do something for that child...


And no,I didn't grow up with a father (or mother) like this. Not even close.
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Jul 16, 2020 12:22 PM CST Is physical punishment good for children?
Wednesdayschild
WednesdayschildWednesdayschildSwindon, Wiltshire, England UK3 Threads 74 Posts
Absolutely!
As a mother of a autistic child, physical punishment is NON existent other than “safe hands” restraint. (Which should never be classed as punishment)

Sometimes words do speak louder than actions in my opinion.
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Jul 16, 2020 12:26 PM CST Is physical punishment good for children?
blathin: Hi GeneralBeacon,

yes I can see how someone just looking on would find this really entertaining or even funny.

However, given the subject matter of this thread I would, respectfully as that you try put yourself in a 12 year old's shoes and imagine what it must be like for a 12 year old who has to live with this kind of person in real life....it must be an absolutely torturous existence.

Imagine being called names, being insulted, being ridiculed and made to feel really small, really stupid and then not be allowed to anwer back, to raise their voice..and worse...be told "I didn't accuse you..I said you're "like"..a goat....look up the word ""like"....you're a blathering idiot..and in the next sentence.."you're a nasty lying conniving..whatever"..Imagine being 12 and trying to deal with that...every single day.

I'm an adult and I can see through every single stunt this man has pulled But there isn't a single child in the world who could handle a father (or mother) like this and walk away with their head in tact....these are the children who end up a complete mess..on our streets and in all sorts of trouble..and then we have other adults coming along saying they should be punsished..or given a good beatening.

Like how many times do these children have to be punished for other peoples sins?? How many?

So yes, even though it's probalby hilarious on a dating site forum. My thoughts were with the children through out the whole episode, and what they have to go through in their own homes, hidden from sight where no one can see what's happening or do anything to protect them..

I know, I probably didnt' come across very well, or portray myselff in a good light. And people probably couldn't understand why I even bothered answering him, but once I realised what he was doing I really really wanted to expose the kind of behaviour that can lead a child into becoming a total mess and end up on the streets causing all sorts of trouble. Or worse, committing suicide.

If anyone reading this thinks less of me for that then that's up to them. If however there is someone reading this who can relate to it and knows of a child who's going through it right now then it might inspire them to be brave and do something for that child...


And no,I didn't grow up with a father (or mother) like this. Not even close.
No offence but I think you are maybe a bit too thin skinned for this place? There will always be idiots who say ridiculous things to you, they are usually not worth even trying to reason with.
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Jul 16, 2020 12:26 PM CST Is physical punishment good for children?
Wednesdayschild
WednesdayschildWednesdayschildSwindon, Wiltshire, England UK3 Threads 74 Posts
Wednesdayschild: Absolutely!
As a mother of a autistic child, physical punishment is NON existent other than “safe hands” restraint. (Which should never be classed as punishment)

Sometimes words do speak louder than actions in my opinion.
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Didn’t add previous quote I was intending to respond to ... oops
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Jul 16, 2020 12:57 PM CST Is physical punishment good for children?
Most kids I knew who got physical punishment turned out to be maladjusted. I don't believe in it.
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Jul 16, 2020 1:35 PM CST Is physical punishment good for children?
Butin
ButinButinIngatestone, Essex, England UK17 Threads 1,900 Posts
If their bad.....ten strokes..of the.......cat of nine tails............professor professor .......then keel. Hauledgrin cheers
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Jul 16, 2020 2:05 PM CST Is physical punishment good for children?
blathin
blathinblathinGlasgow, Central, Scotland UK3,125 Posts
Track16: Most kids I knew who got physical punishment turned out to be maladjusted. I don't believe in it.
Same here...so much potential just wiped out...
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Jul 16, 2020 2:27 PM CST Is physical punishment good for children?
Butin
ButinButinIngatestone, Essex, England UK17 Threads 1,900 Posts
blathin: Same here...so much potential just wiped out...
. Spare. The rod spoil. The child......,grin grin grin rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
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Jul 16, 2020 4:13 PM CST Is physical punishment good for children?
HexagonKeySet
HexagonKeySetHexagonKeySetCentral, Waikato New Zealand150 Threads 7 Polls 3,829 Posts
But there isn't a single child in the world who could handle a father (or mother) like this and walk away with their head in tact....these are the children who end up a complete mess..on our streets and in all sorts of trouble..and then we have other adults coming along saying they should be punsished..or given a good beatening.
A frantic 'appeal to emotion' of other damaged people based upon your previous web of lies and hate filled spurious suppositions. In fact I'm blessed and grateful to be the father of more than a single child and none of them would recognise me from your slanderous attacks

Like how many times do these children have to be punished for other peoples sins?? How many?
Same BS manipulative tactic - another frantic appeal to emotion easy to point out WHICH CHILDREN are you meaning and 'WHO'S SINS exactly

So yes, even though it's probalby hilarious on a dating site forum. My thoughts were with the children through out the whole episode, and what they have to go through in their own homes, hidden from sight where no one can see what's happening or do anything to protect them..
The same tactic in use yet again ... WHICH Children, WHICH Episode. When people 'project' as appears to be the case here, they distance themselves from their own reality, it's too much to handle (often still as an adult) so they create anonymous, fictional people ... but the scenes they have described are typically from their own lives

I know, I probably didnt' come across very well, or portray myselff in a good light. And people probably couldn't understand why I even bothered answering him, but once I realised what he was doing I really really wanted to expose the kind of behaviour that can lead a child into becoming a total mess and end up on the streets causing all sorts of trouble. Or worse, committing suicide.
No, you haven't - but I can hold my head up for refusing to tolerate your attacks, fictions, lies, conniving ways of twisting words. In fact, when I'm attacked there's no other option beyond confrontation the lies and repeating the truth. But TRUTH can be uncomfortable and, rather than FACE TRUTH you prefer to stack lie upon lie, and engender hatred (a true liberal in the worst use of the word as seen on TV in riots across the US). You absolutely have NOT 'exposed any behaviour that can lead a child into a total mess' ALL that you done is to have made groundless ad-hominem attacks against my character.
So far as raising the issue of suicide is concerned ... your final desperate breathless, frantic appeal to the emotion of others. Well, it was wasted. I've spent a good portion of my life away from my profession working with Samaritans (Suicide Counseling) in the UK and a similar organisation here in New Zealand. And if I'm all the shocking things you say - well, reflect back upon your own judgement of character when you contacted me first by PMs and laid on the flattery

If anyone reading this thinks less of me for that then that's up to them. If however there is someone reading this who can relate to it and knows of a child who's going through it right now then it might inspire them to be brave and do something for that child...
People will form their own opinions - but anyone reading might be intelligent enough to go back and follow the whole conversation. Unlike yourself I don't think it takes bravery to help a child in trouble though - I consider that to protect ANY child who is in danger to a basic obligation and responsibility of EVERY adult.

And no,I didn't grow up with a father (or mother) like this. Not even close.
Well, someone certainly 'did something' and I sincerely hope you can work it out and gain some peace in your life!
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Jul 17, 2020 10:14 AM CST Is physical punishment good for children?
snowlynx: No offence but I think you are maybe a bit too thin skinned for this place? There will always be idiots who say ridiculous things to you, they are usually not worth even trying to reason with.
Not so fast there: this is an open forum, and she has at least as much right to post her comments as anyone. So, you would have it that only ornery members should post? She is actually spot-on. I have a relative who always insists that she is “just telling it like it is”, but when the rest of us “just tell her like it is”, why, we’re being mean and hurtful. Be fair now...professor
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Jul 17, 2020 12:20 PM CST Is physical punishment good for children?
rohaan: Not so fast there: this is an open forum, and she has at least as much right to post her comments as anyone. So, you would have it that only ornery members should post? She is actually spot-on. I have a relative who always insists that she is “just telling it like it is”, but when the rest of us “just tell her like it is”, why, we’re being mean and hurtful. Be fair now...
She certainly has as much right as anyone else. I was just pointing out what it was like on here, in case she didn't know.
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Jul 18, 2020 6:46 PM CST Is physical punishment good for children?
blathin
blathinblathinGlasgow, Central, Scotland UK3,125 Posts
snowlynx: She certainly has as much right as anyone else. I was just pointing out what it was like on here, in case she didn't know.
It's ok snowlynx :) I've had access to the internet since probably way before most of the people on here..so it's nothing new to me.. there will always be idiots like that online...at least we can walk away and forget about their rubbish....there are some who might not be so lucky...
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