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Dear soldier, how many tears will be enough? (26)

Aug 2, 2020 1:03 AM CST Dear soldier, how many tears will be enough?
Orzzz
OrzzzOrzzzPortage, Wisconsin USA43 Threads 8 Polls 286 Posts
The one constant in this world is that there will always be new soldiers marching off to war. I never understand why old soldiers send their sons to war. The glory of it! The character building! That great 21 gun salute when they bury you and that nice flag your loved ones get to take home instead of you.
My dad fought. Only time I ever saw him cry was sitting thinking at the kitchen table. Why dad!wow uh oh
He apologized..men his age didn't cry. He said he was remembering the first "enemy" he shot. He said he stood over him thinking I just killed a boy. And then realizing he was the same age.Could have been him.
These are the memories we give our sons to remember their whole lives.blues
Now womens lib says we can join them. Gee thanks.
I married out of high school. In 69 they did the numbers thing for draft. My new husband got a low number. I panicked. The thought I had was go to Nam and die. Lucky he ended up state side. I joined him in Colorado Springs and lived his life with him...Fort Carson. We lived with another couple. Guy had gotten out, Sargent..had been to Nam as door gunner. We talked lots. How he had been like my husband, calm, laid back. Came home ADHD like me. Said first gook he killed. Flew over..is he a maybe..yeah..could be..fly back and shoot him. Or could have just been a farmer in his field like back home. Why?
Husband drove me thought the old barracks. Word was these were the guys ETSing from Nam. Don't talk to them. Stay away.
Our friend here had been to Nam. Never talked til recently. Mechanics didn't fly with choppers. He admitted, door gunner.
My second husband lucked out too. OR tech, stateside. He told me about hanging guys on the wall in a bag, no legs, no arms.
Nam tore this country apart. Lessons should have been learned. Suppositions, lies, fear, money, power.very mad
We came out of Nam to a different country. And didn't learn a blasted thing!doh mumbling very mad
Aug 2, 2020 2:00 AM CST Dear soldier, how many tears will be enough?
yes stupid war, i listened to news and read in news papers how New Zealand medical teams in a country called Vietnam trying to help the local people were been attacked by Vietminh communists so I joined up to go to the assistance of our New Zealand civilian medic's. We were lied to by our Christian government, not something were were lied to.
Later I learnt your President Eisenhower and Australian Prime Minister Menzies created S.E.A.T.O as a umbrella organization to pick up when Vietnamese tossed out the lunatic French Catholics.
In breach of the final declaration, dated July 21, 1954, of the Geneva_Conference on the problem of restoring peace in Indochina, in which the representatives of Cambodia, the Democratic Republic of Viet-Nam, France, Laos, the People's Republic of China, the State of Viet-Nam, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the United Kingdom and the United States of America took part. A clear breach of the international agreement by United States of America and SEATO member states ignoring clauses in the agreement for the cessation of hostilities in Viet-Nam that prohibited the introduction into Viet Nam of foreign troops and military personnel as well as of all kinds of arms and munitions. They lieAlot...
I have researched the build up of our Vietnam war and made the information availble on this link:
Aug 2, 2020 3:35 AM CST Dear soldier, how many tears will be enough?
Aug 2, 2020 3:37 AM CST Dear soldier, how many tears will be enough?
Aug 2, 2020 4:48 AM CST Dear soldier, how many tears will be enough?
KNenagh
KNenaghKNenaghAachen, Kilkenny Ireland13 Threads 14,106 Posts
I don't get the vet adoration culture in the States.
Aug 2, 2020 5:04 AM CST Dear soldier, how many tears will be enough?
serene56
serene56serene56Myplace, New South Wales Australia590 Threads 17 Polls 35,185 Posts
KNenagh: I don't get the vet adoration culture in the States.
I found it interesting that Americans call it the Vietnam War but the Vietnamese call it the American War.

Overall though, I respect the fact that anyone who was involved in any war and survived is most likely suffering PTSD sad flower
Aug 2, 2020 8:19 AM CST Dear soldier, how many tears will be enough?
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Aug 2, 2020 4:37 PM CST Dear soldier, how many tears will be enough?
Orzzz
OrzzzOrzzzPortage, Wisconsin USA43 Threads 8 Polls 286 Posts
That 1916 video made me tear up. My dad was drafted at about 18 to fight for the Kaiser. He was one of those German soldiers in WW1. And as many, they go not for loyalty to countries leaders, but because they are ordered. Go, get it over with and come home. If they can.
He told me about how he hated the Cossacks. How they were supposed to be fearless warriors. and how they ordered the Polish soldiers to advance while they stayed back. And when some refused, shot them in the back.
He told me some stories. Another was where they spent a week in waist deep cold water in a trench. How the they followed the Russians. Who burned the villages of their own people and took all the food. Scorched earth policy. When the Germans arrived, short on supplies, the people begged. He said how could you eat a piece of candy with some child gazing at it. And how he gave it to the child instead.
How can anyone who has not lived it, have any idea of the horrors soldiers live through. The saying I can just imagine is so hollow. NO! We can't!crying wow
Nam was about money. And idiots in government who thought if Nam fell...China would march across the Asian continent.
The Bay of Tonkin was fake news. Our leaders and Generals had no idea of the real Vietnamese minds.
Failure built on failure after failure..that is the way of most wars.frustrated
Aug 2, 2020 4:39 PM CST Dear soldier, how many tears will be enough?
Orzzz: That 1916 video made me tear up. My dad was drafted at about 18 to fight for the Kaiser. He was one of those German soldiers in WW1. And as many, they go not for loyalty to countries leaders, but because they are ordered. Go, get it over with and come home. If they can.
He told me about how he hated the Cossacks. How they were supposed to be fearless warriors. and how they ordered the Polish soldiers to advance while they stayed back. And when some refused, shot them in the back.
He told me some stories. Another was where they spent a week in waist deep cold water in a trench. How the they followed the Russians. Who burned the villages of their own people and took all the food. Scorched earth policy. When the Germans arrived, short on supplies, the people begged. He said how could you eat a piece of candy with some child gazing at it. And how he gave it to the child instead.
How can anyone who has not lived it, have any idea of the horrors soldiers live through. The saying I can just imagine is so hollow. NO! We can't!
Nam was about money. And idiots in government who thought if Nam fell...China would march across the Asian continent.
The Bay of Tonkin was fake news. Our leaders and Generals had no idea of the real Vietnamese minds.
Failure built on failure after failure..that is the way of most wars.
Part of the failure of the Vietnam war was the lies of General Westmoreland.
Aug 4, 2020 1:24 PM CST Dear soldier, how many tears will be enough?
soldiers dont choose to go to war you moron and how many kids and men and women died so worthless idiots like you could be free and live in a fantasy world and moderator remove your self
Aug 5, 2020 4:10 AM CST Dear soldier, how many tears will be enough?
secretagent09: Part of the failure of the Vietnam war was the lies of General Westmoreland.
Where have all the flowers gone....rose
Aug 5, 2020 5:41 AM CST Dear soldier, how many tears will be enough?
ChesneyChristonline today!
ChesneyChristonline today!ChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,321 Posts
RobertMJ575: soldiers dont choose to go to war you moron and how many kids and men and women died so worthless idiots like you could be free and live in a fantasy world and moderator remove your self
The soldier may not make the decision to go to war nevertheless the modern army is more like a mercenary force. Most sign up for money or love of combat I doubt that patriotism or anything of greater meaning motivates the modern soldier to any significant extent. A voluntary mercenary force for people who like shooting people.
Aug 5, 2020 6:18 AM CST Dear soldier, how many tears will be enough?
ChesneyChristonline today!
ChesneyChristonline today!ChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,321 Posts
What the modern soldier isn't is a dutiful generation of patriots who nevertheless shot to miss and played football with the enemy. This isn't 1914. Men who on both sides knew one another and loved one another before being thrown into mortal combat by old men who had divided Europe in a totally unnecessary quarrel. They aimed to miss, to have no blood on their hands from the brothers war.
Aug 5, 2020 6:31 AM CST Dear soldier, how many tears will be enough?
bodleing2online today!
bodleing2online today!bodleing2Manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK41 Threads 3,702 Posts
"Soldier, fix your bayonet before the enemy come
'Cos you won't have time, when they start to climb the hill, y'know

Soldier, when you see 8,000 climbin' up on you
Don't see them as men, just see them as enemies of the king, y'know"

Groundhogs, Soldier.....from Thank Christ for the Bomb.

Aug 5, 2020 6:49 AM CST Dear soldier, how many tears will be enough?
bodleing2online today!
bodleing2online today!bodleing2Manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK41 Threads 3,702 Posts
Orzzz: The one constant in this world is that there will always be new soldiers marching off to war. I never understand why old soldiers send their sons to war.
"Well you can lead a horse to water
But you're never gonna make him drink

And you can lead a man to slaughter
But you're never gonna make him think."

Roy Harper....Hors D'oeuvres
Aug 5, 2020 6:55 AM CST Dear soldier, how many tears will be enough?
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tomcattyonline now!tomcattyocean city plymouth, Devon, England UK128 Threads 2 Polls 2,866 Posts
Orzzz: That 1916 video made me tear up. My dad was drafted at about 18 to fight for the Kaiser. He was one of those German soldiers in WW1. And as many, they go not for loyalty to countries leaders, but because they are ordered. Go, get it over with and come home. If they can.
He told me about how he hated the Cossacks.
Yeh that cossack cat is a killer.laugh laugh
Aug 5, 2020 7:36 AM CST Dear soldier, how many tears will be enough?
KNenagh: I don't get the vet adoration culture in the States.
I don't get it either reading what you posted. The youth in the U.S. have long been raised to fight and die for the protection and prosperity of others in the world who give a dang whether they live or die fighting for them. Exceptions are some people living in France, South Korea etc. wave
Aug 5, 2020 8:55 AM CST Dear soldier, how many tears will be enough?
ChesneyChristonline today!
ChesneyChristonline today!ChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,321 Posts
And here we are today in a war against covid conducted in the interests of old dead men for they are the human jelly of progress. The best of times create the weakest of people.

And therein lies the good part of ordeal and self-sacrifice. Even war. It may tip the balance towards a better life for your kids and away from cheating death for another week. Youth may yet be saved from the desolate inheritance of those who never had it so good precisely because you were born to die.
Thu Aug 6, 2020 10:20 AM CST Dear soldier, how many tears will be enough?
KNenagh: I don't get the vet adoration culture in the States.
it bothered me some a few years back. Before I go any further, you might take into consideration that I worked (in medical) with quite a number of veterans, generally in my peerage. I’m not, however, a veteran. Most were from the Vietnam conflict. Almost none wanted to be soldiers. Many are broken physically. Many are broken mentally. The vast majority of us who choose to recognize them as you mention do so because we know and embrace the strength of character it took to walk into a mess they disagreed with, but the obligation of answering a country’s call took priority over personal feelings. They endured hardships beyond the imagination, and they deserve every accommodation. We reward corporate thieves who steal the elders entire savings with multi-millions in golden retirement “parachutes”; we can at least thank our retired soldiers and for sure, care for them. And, I’m pretty much an old beatnik who detests war and guns, but I’m not going to tamper with brave and courageous men and women. We got to be flower children because of them, not in spite of them.

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