Is UK 5G Mobile Dangerous to Human Health? ( Archived) (42)

Aug 9, 2020 11:34 AM CST Is UK 5G Mobile Dangerous to Human Health?
tomcatty
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Lately we’ve heard a lot of remarks like this: “5G harms human health“, “5G kills bees“,”5G causes cancer“, “overwhelming evidence says 5G is dangerous” and “we have no evidence this technology is safe.” Such statements are often being repeated in opposition to new UK mobile masts, but are they right and should we be concerned.

The issue has become particularly prominent of late, not least because some anti-5G campaign groups have managed to gain traction by causing several UK local authorities to take a position against future 5G mobile broadband deployments (e.g. Totnes in Devon, Glastonbury and Frome in Somerset).

Sometimes it’s best to answer concerns like this by first covering the basics of how mobile, and wireless communication signals in general (aka – radio waves), actually work. Such signals form one part of what’s known as the Electromagnetic Spectrum, which reflects a range of frequencies of electromagnetic (EM) radiation and their respective wavelengths / photon energies.

Sadly many people don’t fully appreciate what this is or how it works, which is perhaps partly reflected by the way that the anti-5G campaigns concentrate so much effort on one technology. However the issues they raise are by no means isolated to a specific radio technology and thus denigrating 5G so specifically tends to confuse the argument.

What is EM Radiation?

EM radiation is essentially energy that travels and spreads out as it goes, at different wavelengths (think ripples on the surface of an ocean), although you could also say that it reflects different kinds of light (most of them are invisible to human eyes but some animals and cameras can see more than we do). How we perceive or experience this radiation depends a lot on the wavelength, distance and energy behind it.

For example, the Sun produces all of the different kinds of electromagnetic radiation, although 99% of its rays are in the form of visible light, ultraviolet and infrared (the latter is also known as heat). The heat (thermal energy) you feel on your face from the sun on a cold winter’s morning is mostly infrared and so too is that heat you feel from somebody else’s body when in close proximity, while ultraviolet is what gives your skin a tan (or burn, if your exposure is too high) and visible light is obviously what you see. Without all this heat and light we would not exist.
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Aug 9, 2020 11:38 AM CST Is UK 5G Mobile Dangerous to Human Health?
tomcatty
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Wait.. So Are Radio Waves Safe or Not?

When we talk about radio waves here we’re generally covering non-ionizing wireless communication systems like Bluetooth, WiFi, Fixed Wireless Links and Mobile (2G to 5G). However ISPreview.co.uk has had plenty of emails from people who suggest that 5G is dangerous because, for example, a military weapon system may be designed using some of the same frequencies (this highlights a fundamental confusion in understanding).

Common Radio Bands for Wi-Fi and Mobile

Wi-Fi = 2.4GHz, 5GHz, 6GHz

Mobile (2G – 5G) = 700MHz, 800MHz, 900MHz, 1800MHz, 2.1GHz, 2.3 GHz, 2.6GHz, 3-4GHz

NOTE: 5G mostly uses the same bands as existing UK mobile networks above, although in the future it may harness 24-26GHz or higher (aka – millimeter Waves ).

The key consideration, in health terms, for any technology using radio spectrum (not just 5G) is the combination with power and distance. This is a bit like how Microwave Ovens (2.45GHz) use the same sort of band as WiFi but obviously they cook (i.e. HEAT) food by using lots of power (800 Watts+) and focusing it at ultra-short-range (a few centimetres).

Such ovens are shielded for safety but a small bit of their radiation will escape during use, which is why they tell you not to touch the oven when it’s running. Obviously you’d need to have a truly horrific death-wish to put your head inside a Microwave Oven while it’s running, although such devices are designed not to work if the door is ever left open.

By comparison WiFi only uses a minuscule fraction of that power (often only a few hundred milliwatts but busy multi-band devices can gobble c.1-2 Watts) to send a signal over an extremely wide area (e.g. your entire house or flat), while most of us sit many metres or even miles away from the source of similar Mobile signals. WiFi signals are thus very weak (energy wise) and soon degrade over a few tens of metres to the point of being unusable (especially if you have a few rooms / walls between you and the router – these reflect and absorb some of the signal, weakening it).
NOTE: At any given moment your body will only be interacting with a tiny portion of the aforementioned WiFi signal as its widely distributed (i.e. the energy you receive is less than the source output).

Confusing these two types of scenario (Microwave Oven vs WiFi or Mobile) is a bit like equating petrol to water because both are clear liquids, even though they’re both radically different in their use, impact upon human health and the environment. As such a military weapon that uses tens or hundreds of Kilowatts of power to focus on a narrow target area within a few close feet or metres via a common radio band is thus completely different to the wide coverage and extremely low power of WiFi or mobile signals.
NOTE: Devices like some baby monitors, DECT phones, TVs, wireless alarms and even some household lights may emit more powerful EM radiation within your home than Mobile.

This is largely why the World Health Organisation (WHO) has long said there is no proven risk of cancer from mobile phone use, while at the same time classifying all radio frequency radiation (not only mobile or WiFi etc.) as “possibly carcinogenic” (i.e. the potential exists to cause harm but you’d generally need to put lots of power behind the signal and use it in a deliberately harmful way) and hence the confusion that a lot of people have.

Crucially the Mobile and WiFi networks that are all deployed today must conform to strict scientifically agreed rules for power and signal. As stated earlier the only known health effect in humans from such signals is heating and for the most part this is so weak as to be imperceivable (note: if you feel heat from your mobile or router when in close proximity then that’s just infrared from the chipset and NOT WiFi or Mobile!).

Margot James MP, Former Digital Minster, said:

“A considerable amount of research
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Aug 9, 2020 11:56 AM CST Is UK 5G Mobile Dangerous to Human Health?
galrads
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I wonder if Europeans will embrace 5G when they realize it can unclog cholesterol deposits in blood supply lines feeding erectile tissue in both genders. Wear underwear having pockets in the front to hold your phones while talking on them. laugh

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Aug 9, 2020 12:00 PM CST Is UK 5G Mobile Dangerous to Human Health?
tomcatty
tomcattytomcattyCoral Bay, Paphos, Paphos Cyprus368 Threads 6 Polls 6,885 Posts
galrads: I wonder if Europeans will embrace 5G when they realize it can unclog cholesterol deposits in blood supply lines feeding erectile tissue in both genders. Wear underwear having pockets in the front to hold your phones while talking on them.
Do you even okow what 5g is and why it differs from 4g, I thought not.laugh laugh laugh
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Aug 9, 2020 12:02 PM CST Is UK 5G Mobile Dangerous to Human Health?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
tomcatty: Do you even okow what 5g is and why it differs from 4g, I thought not.
Generation 5 = 4G + 1 doh handshake
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Aug 9, 2020 12:08 PM CST Is UK 5G Mobile Dangerous to Human Health?
tomcatty
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galrads: Generation 5 = 4G + 1
Damnlaugh laugh laugh laugh laugh
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Aug 9, 2020 12:08 PM CST Is UK 5G Mobile Dangerous to Human Health?
galrads: Generation 5 = 4G + 1
From someone who professes to be a computer programmer, you'd think he'd know the answer and not have the need to copy and paste all these pages.

This was a thread not long back by another poster and died a natural death.grin
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Aug 9, 2020 12:10 PM CST Is UK 5G Mobile Dangerous to Human Health?
tomcatty
tomcattytomcattyCoral Bay, Paphos, Paphos Cyprus368 Threads 6 Polls 6,885 Posts
germanspitz: From someone who professes to be a computer programmer, you'd think he'd know the answer and not have the need to copy and paste all these pages.

This was a thread not long back by another poster and died a natural death.
I was just trying to simplfy it for you old ladieslaugh laugh laugh laugh laugh
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Aug 9, 2020 12:26 PM CST Is UK 5G Mobile Dangerous to Human Health?
tomcatty: I was just trying to simplfy it for you old ladies
I run on 6G so far more advanced than you old timer. You're behind the times.tongue
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Aug 9, 2020 12:27 PM CST Is UK 5G Mobile Dangerous to Human Health?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
tomcatty: I was just trying to simplfy it for you old ladies
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Aug 9, 2020 12:33 PM CST Is UK 5G Mobile Dangerous to Human Health?
tomcat has turned into a school teacherwow
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Aug 9, 2020 12:33 PM CST Is UK 5G Mobile Dangerous to Human Health?
tomcatty
tomcattytomcattyCoral Bay, Paphos, Paphos Cyprus368 Threads 6 Polls 6,885 Posts
germanspitz: I run on 6G so far more advanced than you old timer. You're behind the times.
considering it hasn#t been invented yet you are ahead, 5g is not much help to the average user, it's more for high speed work.
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Aug 9, 2020 12:45 PM CST Is UK 5G Mobile Dangerous to Human Health?
tomcatty: considering it hasn#t been invented yet you are ahead, 5g is not much help to the average user, it's more for high speed work.
That's why they call me Speedy Gonzales.laugh
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Aug 9, 2020 12:51 PM CST Is UK 5G Mobile Dangerous to Human Health?
tomcatty
tomcattytomcattyCoral Bay, Paphos, Paphos Cyprus368 Threads 6 Polls 6,885 Posts
germanspitz: That's why they call me Speedy Gonzales.
you give yiur knicker elastic a couple of extra turnslaugh laugh laugh
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Aug 9, 2020 1:14 PM CST Is UK 5G Mobile Dangerous to Human Health?
Miss_Cellaneous
Miss_CellaneousMiss_CellaneousWyre, Lancashire, England UK1 Threads 2,444 Posts
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Aug 9, 2020 1:15 PM CST Is UK 5G Mobile Dangerous to Human Health?
tomcatty: you give yiur knicker elastic a couple of extra turns
What is your obsession with women's underwear.

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Aug 9, 2020 1:17 PM CST Is UK 5G Mobile Dangerous to Human Health?
Hi Miss C


I know quite a few people I'd like to put in a box and never see again,grin
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Aug 9, 2020 1:25 PM CST Is UK 5G Mobile Dangerous to Human Health?
tomcatty
tomcattytomcattyCoral Bay, Paphos, Paphos Cyprus368 Threads 6 Polls 6,885 Posts
germanspitz: What is your obsession with women's underwear.
got nothing against womans undewear, do you think that is unusual???

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Aug 9, 2020 1:31 PM CST Is UK 5G Mobile Dangerous to Human Health?
Miss_Cellaneous
Miss_CellaneousMiss_CellaneousWyre, Lancashire, England UK1 Threads 2,444 Posts
germanspitz: That's why they call me Speedy Gonzales.
bouquet
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Aug 9, 2020 1:36 PM CST Is UK 5G Mobile Dangerous to Human Health?
Dedovix
DedovixDedovixBig Place, Central Serbia Serbia12 Threads 1 Polls 5,492 Posts
in the UK?
i vote that every home in the UK should have a 5g antena grin
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