7 shots close range in the back. (268)
Soonyuleknow: A word to the wise. If you are holding something in your hands and the police are yelling drop the knife, you should drop what you have in your hands if it is a knife or not, because they think you have a weapon. People have been shot holding a cell phone.
He was hardly going to use whatever he was holding as he had his back to the officers who were holding guns and was returning to a car containing 3 young children.Whatever your opinion on this man and the incident it did not warrant pumping 7 bullets into his back at close range. That's tantamount to an execution.
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jac_the_gripper: I've taken this from your blog, Spitz.
I was sorry to see that you felt the need to disable the comments, but I appreciate why you did.
I've taken the above quote out of context, but compliance is a theme which keeps cropping up. The idea is that if only the victim had complied with the poor policing, they would have survived the poor policing.
There is something very wrong with this picture.
We are recognising that an incident, or number of incidents, of policing is poor. We then transfer responsibility for the management of the poor policing on to the member of the public who is subject to the poor policing. We may claim that the victim would have survived the poor policing had they complied, but in reality we are saying that the victim may have had a greater chance of survival had they complied.
What we are doing is advocating a best way for people, black men in particular, to survive interactions with the police.
We are saying that we need to learn to manage our incompetent, micro-managing boss so that we can get on with our own work unhindered, or without being destroyed.
What we are not doing is addressing poor policing. What we're not doing is addressing how a boss came to be in their position and how they came to be incompetent at their job. It'll either be because they are not fit to do that job and never will be, or they are not fit to that job because they haven't had appropriate training.
This is something that needs to be addressed by upper management, not managed by victims/lowest pay scale workers. If upper management fail to address the issue despite having the situation drawn to their attention, then we need to skip another level of management.
If the complaint reaches the head of the company and the issue is still not addressed, then the victims, or workers only have non-compliance left in order to make a stand.
If someone is weighing up a slim chance of survival against an unknown chance of survival, they may well go for the slim chance out in the open where it can be witnessed with a level of human dignity and feeling of self-worth intact.
Thanks Jac,I was sorry to see that you felt the need to disable the comments, but I appreciate why you did.
I've taken the above quote out of context, but compliance is a theme which keeps cropping up. The idea is that if only the victim had complied with the poor policing, they would have survived the poor policing.
There is something very wrong with this picture.
We are recognising that an incident, or number of incidents, of policing is poor. We then transfer responsibility for the management of the poor policing on to the member of the public who is subject to the poor policing. We may claim that the victim would have survived the poor policing had they complied, but in reality we are saying that the victim may have had a greater chance of survival had they complied.
What we are doing is advocating a best way for people, black men in particular, to survive interactions with the police.
We are saying that we need to learn to manage our incompetent, micro-managing boss so that we can get on with our own work unhindered, or without being destroyed.
What we are not doing is addressing poor policing. What we're not doing is addressing how a boss came to be in their position and how they came to be incompetent at their job. It'll either be because they are not fit to do that job and never will be, or they are not fit to that job because they haven't had appropriate training.
This is something that needs to be addressed by upper management, not managed by victims/lowest pay scale workers. If upper management fail to address the issue despite having the situation drawn to their attention, then we need to skip another level of management.
If the complaint reaches the head of the company and the issue is still not addressed, then the victims, or workers only have non-compliance left in order to make a stand.
If someone is weighing up a slim chance of survival against an unknown chance of survival, they may well go for the slim chance out in the open where it can be witnessed with a level of human dignity and feeling of self-worth intact.
Your last comment makes so much more sense regarding the situation Jacob Blake found himself in.
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germanspitz: He was hardly going to use whatever he was holding as he had his back to the officers who were holding guns and was returning to a car containing 3 young children.
Whatever your opinion on this man and the incident it did not warrant pumping 7 bullets into his back at close range. That's tantamount to an execution.
He probably resisted arrest.Whatever your opinion on this man and the incident it did not warrant pumping 7 bullets into his back at close range. That's tantamount to an execution.
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tomcatty: He probably resisted arrest.
So you think it's acceptable to fire 7 bullets into his back for not paying attention.
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germanspitz: So you think it's acceptable to fire 7 bullets into his back for not paying attention.
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tomcatty: as a previous poster said, if the police tell you to drop a weapon in the states, you drop it or get shot
That it would seem is purely theoretical at the moment as there is an eye witness who states he wasn't holding a weapon as stated in post 62.------ This thread is Archived ------
germanspitz: That it would seem is purely theoretical at the moment as there is an eye witness who states he wasn't holding a weapon as stated in post 62.
not my country, not my problem
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tomcatty: not my country, not my problem
Mine neither but as part of the human race I do care about how others get treated in the grand scheme of things.------ This thread is Archived ------
tomcatty: He probably resisted arrest.
Just checked there, it doesn't say anything about shooting said suspect..
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tomcatty: He probably resisted arrest.
This again is another way of saying non-compliance, of course.It's just a way of saying it using legal and law enforcement language in a bid to stamp out any questioning of authority.
It's very confronting to question authority if that authority is biased in your favour.
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^^ We need a lot more of this right here, and we can start rebuilding our cities, which have been torn by peaceful protesters...
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mikey4691: ^^ We need a lot more of this right here, and we can start rebuilding our cities, which have been torn by peaceful protesters...
shouldn't that read,Pi$$ful Protesters?------ This thread is Archived ------
Conrad73: shouldn't that read,Pi$$ful Protesters?
It should read, we need a new pair of tennis shoes protesters.. 
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white tennis shoes lifes matters? 
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mikey4691: It should read, we need a new pair of tennis shoes protesters..
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mikey4691: ^^ We need a lot more of this right here, and we can start rebuilding our cities, which have been torn by peaceful protesters...
I saw a news report you had some windows and planters broken in Knoxville, Tennessee.------ This thread is Archived ------
PeKaatje: white tennis shoes lifes matters?
Most of them would rather do a drive by on Grand Ma, than miss the opportunity at a new pair of Nikes...------ This thread is Archived ------
Two questions for you.
Not being bad but what if it was a white person shot?
Would there be big media and news reports?
Not being bad but what if it was a white person shot?
Would there be big media and news reports?
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I was sorry to see that you felt the need to disable the comments, but I appreciate why you did.
I've taken the above quote out of context, but compliance is a theme which keeps cropping up. The idea is that if only the victim had complied with the poor policing, they would have survived the poor policing.
There is something very wrong with this picture.
We are recognising that an incident, or number of incidents, of policing is poor. We then transfer responsibility for the management of the poor policing on to the member of the public who is subject to the poor policing. We may claim that the victim would have survived the poor policing had they complied, but in reality we are saying that the victim may have had a greater chance of survival had they complied.
What we are doing is advocating a best way for people, black men in particular, to survive interactions with the police.
We are saying that we need to learn to manage our incompetent, micro-managing boss so that we can get on with our own work unhindered, or without being destroyed.
What we are not doing is addressing poor policing. What we're not doing is addressing how a boss came to be in their position and how they came to be incompetent at their job. It'll either be because they are not fit to do that job and never will be, or they are not fit to that job because they haven't had appropriate training.
This is something that needs to be addressed by upper management, not managed by victims/lowest pay scale workers. If upper management fail to address the issue despite having the situation drawn to their attention, then we need to skip another level of management.
If the complaint reaches the head of the company and the issue is still not addressed, then the victims, or workers only have non-compliance left in order to make a stand.
If someone is weighing up a slim chance of survival against an unknown chance of survival, they may well go for the slim chance out in the open where it can be witnessed with a level of human dignity and feeling of self-worth intact.