What is your view on Collectivism? ( Archived) (51)

I am very much an individual thinker and like to speak my mind about various different subjects...
I never virtue signal and never fear discussing things...that others fear to discuss...
I say it as I see it and it's no skin off my nose if the collectivists don't like it...
I advocate thinking for yourselves...first and foremost...not being afraid to go against group think and standing for what you believe in

I see vast problems with lefist group think and the cult brainwashing of lemmings...I see it as destructive and unproductive...I see it as controlling and oppressive...I see it as a major threat to individual thinking and freedom...The way I see it...

Are you a collectivist?
Do you fear going against group think?
Do you speak your mind in opposition...or self censor?
Do you want all to agree on everything?
Are you opposed to collectivism?
Do you advocate for individual thinking?
Do you anyone ever learns anything...from group think?
Do you think group think is anti productive?

Feel free to share your views and try to answer the questions

I hesitated to comment simply because this can be just one ver heavy topic. There are situations when the whole group is correct, so that would be an unfair conclusion..( that there is undue/ peer pressure). However, we also have “ The Emporor’s New Clothes” mentality where others are afraid of not going along. Your thread, though interesting, has legions of holes because it is much too broad. Here are my answers, in order of the 8 questions:

1. Sometimes
2. Sometimes
3. Sometimes
4. Sometimes
5. Sometimes
6. Sometimes
7. Sometimes
8. Sometimes

Perhaps I should have clearly said lefist collectivism in the thread title.

I see vast problems with lefist group think and the cult brainwashing of lemmings...I see it as destructive and unproductive...I see it as controlling and oppressive...I see it as a major threat to individual thinking and freedom

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As a cultural-intellectual power and a moral ideal, collectivism died in World War II. If we are still rolling in its direction, it is only by the inertia of a void and the momentum of disintegration. A social movement that began with the ponderous, brain-cracking, dialectical constructs of Hegel and Marx, and ends up with a horde of morally unwashed children stamping their foot and shrieking: “I want it now!”—is through.

Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal

“The Cashing-In: The Student ‘Rebellion,’”
Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal, 266

Collectivism has lost the two crucial weapons that raised it to world power and made all of its victories possible: intellectuality and idealism, or reason and morality. It had to lose them precisely at the height of its success, since its claim to both was a fraud: the full, actual reality of socialist-communist-fascist states has demonstrated the brute irrationality of collectivist systems and the inhumanity of altruism as a moral code.


“The Cashing-In: The Student ‘Rebellion,’”
Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal, 269



Collectivism does not preach sacrifice as a temporary means to some desirable end. Sacrifice is its end—sacrifice as a way of life. It is man’s independence, success, prosperity, and happiness that collectivists wish to destroy.

Observe the snarling, hysterical hatred with which they greet any suggestion that sacrifice is not necessary, that a non-sacrificial society is possible to men, that it is the only society able to achieve man’s well-being.


“Theory and Practice,”
Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal, 137

The advocates of collectivism are motivated not by a desire for men’s happiness, but by hatred for man . . . hatred of the good for being the good; . . . the focus of that hatred, the target of its passionate fury, is the man of ability.



“An Untitled Letter,”
Philosophy: Who Needs It, 102

I believe in individuality, and a person expressing their own feelings about a subject, with the proviso we do have a collective responsibility and in the interests of the general community it is selfish to take a me, me me attitude, expressing your own views overall.

It is sometimes better to comply in the interests of harmony.

The army is the largest collectivist construct and the village the most natural one. The larger the collective the greater the standardisation. It is your mission, your duty, not to be individual in the army. The irony is that Marxists who are radical individualists end up militarising all of civic society. The Marxist is usually off-beat but they build a society that marches to the off-beat drum.