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Good morning my wonderful cyber friends... hey, I have a question that’s been a- buggin’ me for awhile. Quite a number of years ago I heard ( I think it was in a “college fireside let’s be existentialists“ type of rap session) that it is inappropriate/ negative karma/bad joo joo, whatever, to pray for someone who either doesn’t know or has said they don’t want you to. I heard this again, a few years back. Is there, to anyone’s knowledge, substantiating rhetoric about this? Where did this adage originate? Thanx.....
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rohaan: Good morning my wonderful cyber friends... hey, I have a question that’s been a- buggin’ me for awhile. Quite a number of years ago I heard ( I think it was in a “college fireside let’s be existentialists“ type of rap session) that it is inappropriate/ negative karma/bad joo joo, whatever, to pray for someone who either doesn’t know or has said they don’t want you to. I heard this again, a few years back. Is there, to anyone’s knowledge, substantiating rhetoric about this? Where did this adage originate? Thanx.....
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rohaan: Good morning my wonderful cyber friends... hey, I have a question that’s been a- buggin’ me for awhile. Quite a number of years ago I heard ( I think it was in a “college fireside let’s be existentialists“ type of rap session) that it is inappropriate/ negative karma/bad joo joo, whatever, to pray for someone who either doesn’t know or has said they don’t want you to. I heard this again, a few years back. Is there, to anyone’s knowledge, substantiating rhetoric about this? Where did this adage originate? Thanx.....
To think good thoughts (pray for someone) could never bring about negative karma. Even people who don't believe in the power of prayer would benefit from cultivating good thoughts for those around us.------ This thread is Archived ------
bodleing2: To think good thoughts (pray for someone) could never bring about negative karma. Even people who don't believe in the power of prayer would benefit from cultivating good thoughts for those around us.
Yes, I agree. That wasn’t the question. I’m trying to find out where what I explained I heard came from. It is not about how I, or anyone else, “ feels” about it. Just if anyone out there had come across this train of thought, and do they know where it originated. For example, could it have come from rune seekers, Druid’s, etc...thanx....if you know you know, if you don’t you don’t.------ This thread is Archived ------
rohaan: Yes, I agree. That wasn’t the question. I’m trying to find out where what I explained I heard came from. It is not about how I, or anyone else, “ feels” about it. Just if anyone out there had come across this train of thought, and do they know where it originated. For example, could it have come from rune seekers, Druid’s, etc...thanx....if you know you know, if you don’t you don’t.
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I don't know where that comes from but...
Nothing to do with Karma as Karma is only a belief.
However, praying or sending prayers, healing or whatever is certainly inappropriate if the person doesn't agree or doesn't even know as it might not be for THEIR greater good!
Nothing to do with Karma as Karma is only a belief.
However, praying or sending prayers, healing or whatever is certainly inappropriate if the person doesn't agree or doesn't even know as it might not be for THEIR greater good!
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Dan_777: I don't know where that comes from but...
Nothing to do with Karma as Karma is only a belief.
However, praying or sending prayers, healing or whatever is certainly inappropriate if the person doesn't agree or doesn't even know as it might not be for THEIR greater good!
Why do people pray for someone in a coma for example, if that person can't know what's happened?Nothing to do with Karma as Karma is only a belief.
However, praying or sending prayers, healing or whatever is certainly inappropriate if the person doesn't agree or doesn't even know as it might not be for THEIR greater good!
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Dan_777: I don't know where that comes from but...
Nothing to do with Karma as Karma is only a belief.
However, praying or sending prayers, healing or whatever is certainly inappropriate if the person doesn't agree or doesn't even know as it might not be for THEIR greater good!
I disagree entirely with that. Metta or loving kindness meditation is one of the main Buddhist practices. A good part of that meditation is to wish for an end to suffering for those you don't know or have not met.Nothing to do with Karma as Karma is only a belief.
However, praying or sending prayers, healing or whatever is certainly inappropriate if the person doesn't agree or doesn't even know as it might not be for THEIR greater good!
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Bnaughty: Why do people pray for someone in a coma for example, if that person can't know what's happened?
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Bnaughty: Why do people pray for someone in a coma for example, if that person can't know what's happened?
If someone is in a coma they don't need to know that you prayed for them. It's the same thing as when you do a nice thing for someone and they never know it was you who did it.Part of doing good things for someone else is that YOU know you did it. If it's important to you that the person knows you did a good deed for them then I think it's bragging that you did this or that.
If I'm in a restaurant and I tell the cashier that I want to pay for the person at table #------ covertly but I don't want the cashier to tell them it was I who paid their tab it's about the good deed not about bragging that I paid their tab.
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Dan_777: I don't know where that comes from but...
Nothing to do with Karma as Karma is only a belief.
However, praying or sending prayers, healing or whatever is certainly inappropriate if the person doesn't agree or doesn't even know as it might not be for THEIR greater good!
I sort of agree with you Dani, praying for a person maybe at most 30% effective the other 70 to 80% of change to a person; weather it be healing or creating a reality is upon the person them self, and the person has to want the change for it to be effective..Nothing to do with Karma as Karma is only a belief.
However, praying or sending prayers, healing or whatever is certainly inappropriate if the person doesn't agree or doesn't even know as it might not be for THEIR greater good!
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If someone isn't in the right mind frame to want to do something, it doesn't matter what anyone does "for" them. I smoked for a long time - the kids were at me to quit, my dad wanted me to quit as he was dying of lung cancer, my doctors told me to quit - but I wasn't mentally ready.
When I was ready, I just threw it down. That's it, done for 2 years. Kaput.
Maybe the people you are referencing are the ones who aren't ready to accept prayers or help and saying that by you going against what they are saying will backfire and cause them harm. No one really wants to harm anyone, right??
If you want to talk to the Big Guy and ask for a little consideration for someone, go for it. You don't have to tell them, just wait and see if they come to the same conclusion that you have.
Maybe??
Now, should you have any prayers left over- I'll gladly take em.
When I was ready, I just threw it down. That's it, done for 2 years. Kaput.
Maybe the people you are referencing are the ones who aren't ready to accept prayers or help and saying that by you going against what they are saying will backfire and cause them harm. No one really wants to harm anyone, right??
If you want to talk to the Big Guy and ask for a little consideration for someone, go for it. You don't have to tell them, just wait and see if they come to the same conclusion that you have.
Maybe??
Now, should you have any prayers left over- I'll gladly take em.
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In my healing circles we always obtain permission from the person the healing is directed to before sending healing ...
Their illness of disease could be part of the experience the person needs in order to reach an insight or emotional healing. By taking that experience away without their consent we would be interfering with their personal development process. We don't know what the bigger picture is for that person and the people who interact with that person
This is part of the ethics taught by the SNU (Spiritualists National Union) in the UK ..
And never send heling to a child without the parents consent ...
Their illness of disease could be part of the experience the person needs in order to reach an insight or emotional healing. By taking that experience away without their consent we would be interfering with their personal development process. We don't know what the bigger picture is for that person and the people who interact with that person
This is part of the ethics taught by the SNU (Spiritualists National Union) in the UK ..
And never send heling to a child without the parents consent ...
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Taralyn: If someone isn't in the right mind frame to want to do something, it doesn't matter what anyone does "for" them. I smoked for a long time - the kids were at me to quit, my dad wanted me to quit as he was dying of lung cancer, my doctors told me to quit - but I wasn't mentally ready.
When I was ready, I just threw it down. That's it, done for 2 years. Kaput.
Maybe the people you are referencing are the ones who aren't ready to accept prayers or help and saying that by you going against what they are saying will backfire and cause them harm. No one really wants to harm anyone, right??
If you want to talk to the Big Guy and ask for a little consideration for someone, go for it. You don't have to tell them, just wait and see if they come to the same conclusion that you have.
Maybe??
Now, should you have any prayers left over- I'll gladly take em.
We are all so different When I was ready, I just threw it down. That's it, done for 2 years. Kaput.
Maybe the people you are referencing are the ones who aren't ready to accept prayers or help and saying that by you going against what they are saying will backfire and cause them harm. No one really wants to harm anyone, right??
If you want to talk to the Big Guy and ask for a little consideration for someone, go for it. You don't have to tell them, just wait and see if they come to the same conclusion that you have.
Maybe??
Now, should you have any prayers left over- I'll gladly take em.
People can send me love, they can send me light, but I don't particularly wish for anyone to pray for anything specific for me... whatever they perceive is lacking in my life is their perception and I prefer to live according to my own perceptions ...
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Selenite: In my healing circles we always obtain permission from the person the healing is directed to before sending healing ...
Their illness of disease could be part of the experience the person needs in order to reach an insight or emotional healing. By taking that experience away without their consent we would be interfering with their personal development process. We don't know what the bigger picture is for that person and the people who interact with that person
This is part of the ethics taught by the SNU (Spiritualists National Union) in the UK ..
And never send heling to a child without the parents consent ...
Hmmmmmm. Sure gives much to ponder...perhaps this is the closest I’ve come to having the question answered. Myself— I have a few idiosyncrasies ( might be a better term) of my own: I’m VERY uncomfortable with the hand- holding before we pray thing. Just don’t like it. Also, I have a wonderful friend who is always disappointed with me declining her to “ pray over me or with me” either in person or on the phone. But I don’t care for it. I also don’t like it when spiritual people assume they have authority- as if I’m not smart enough to know what’s good for me...ok, m done ramblingTheir illness of disease could be part of the experience the person needs in order to reach an insight or emotional healing. By taking that experience away without their consent we would be interfering with their personal development process. We don't know what the bigger picture is for that person and the people who interact with that person
This is part of the ethics taught by the SNU (Spiritualists National Union) in the UK ..
And never send heling to a child without the parents consent ...
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rohaan: Hmmmmmm. Sure gives much to ponder...perhaps this is the closest I’ve come to having the question answered. Myself— I have a few idiosyncrasies ( might be a better term) of my own: I’m VERY uncomfortable with the hand- holding before we pray thing. Just don’t like it. Also, I have a wonderful friend who is always disappointed with me declining her to “ pray over me or with me” either in person or on the phone. But I don’t care for it. I also don’t like it when spiritual people assume they have authority- as if I’m not smart enough to know what’s good for me...ok, m done rambling
Yes!! To everything you say!Trust your gut instinct for what you feel is good for you! Energy gets transmitted thought the hands so may be you are picking up something you don't want transmitted to you "during the hand holding" ...
You are so right about the arrogance of some spiritual people who think they know best and assume they have authority... If it doesn't feel right/comfortable for you, don't go along with it ...
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Selenite: In my healing circles we always obtain permission from the person the healing is directed to before sending healing ...
Their illness of disease could be part of the experience the person needs in order to reach an insight or emotional healing. By taking that experience away without their consent we would be interfering with their personal development process. We don't know what the bigger picture is for that person and the people who interact with that person
This is part of the ethics taught by the SNU (Spiritualists National Union) in the UK ..
And never send heling to a child without the parents consent ...
Healing circles are not quite the same as offering prayer for others which I the the OP was meaning. When a natural disaster occurs, many people pray for the victims and those affected. In most instances those offering up their prayers neither have consent from, or indeed, don't know the individuals they are praying for.Their illness of disease could be part of the experience the person needs in order to reach an insight or emotional healing. By taking that experience away without their consent we would be interfering with their personal development process. We don't know what the bigger picture is for that person and the people who interact with that person
This is part of the ethics taught by the SNU (Spiritualists National Union) in the UK ..
And never send heling to a child without the parents consent ...
Would you consider this as being potentially harmful for those who are being prayed for?
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bodleing2: Healing circles are not quite the same as offering prayer for others which I the the OP was meaning. When a natural disaster occurs, many people pray for the victims and those affected. In most instances those offering up their prayers neither have consent from, or indeed, don't know the individuals they are praying for.
Would you consider this as being potentially harmful for those who are being prayed for?
Sending love and light is never harmful Would you consider this as being potentially harmful for those who are being prayed for?
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Selenite: Yes!! To everything you say!
Trust your gut instinct for what you feel is good for you! Energy gets transmitted thought the hands so may be you are picking up something you don't want transmitted to you "during the hand holding" ...
You are so right about the arrogance of some spiritual people who think they know best and assume they have authority... If it doesn't feel right/comfortable for you, don't go along with it ...
“ Just one look and I knewTrust your gut instinct for what you feel is good for you! Energy gets transmitted thought the hands so may be you are picking up something you don't want transmitted to you "during the hand holding" ...
You are so right about the arrogance of some spiritual people who think they know best and assume they have authority... If it doesn't feel right/comfortable for you, don't go along with it ...
You would make everything clear
Make all the clouds....disappear...
You’re better than all the rest
You’re the one I love best
It’s these things I’ve meant—-
You must have been Heaven sent......
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