Adieu, free speech? ( Archived) (9)

Dec 4, 2020 1:11 PM CST Adieu, free speech?
EtherealDude
EtherealDudeEtherealDudeLondon, Greater London, England UK14 Threads 96 Posts
------ This thread is Archived ------
Dec 4, 2020 1:19 PM CST Adieu, free speech?
Not sure what that has to do with free speech.
Did you want the police to let him finish his youtube broadcast laugh

Have read 4/5 reports on this and the reason for his arrest is unclear.
------ This thread is Archived ------
Dec 4, 2020 2:25 PM CST Adieu, free speech?
EtherealDude
EtherealDudeEtherealDudeLondon, Greater London, England UK14 Threads 96 Posts
Aragorn11: Not sure what that has to do with free speech.
Did you want the police to let him finish his youtube broadcast

Have read 4/5 reports on this and the reason for his arrest is unclear.
Reason of arrest yes, not reported yet - but Dr. Andreas Noack was under investigation by the authorities for non-compliance with the COVID-19 lockdown laws enacted by the German government, being 'anti-lockdown' and known for providing medical assistance to protesters, during lockdown protests.

He should have been allowed to continue his broadcast yes, and whoever made the decision to gatecrash the live feed (to arrest him) created not only globally shared evidence of exactly what happened, but also blatant violations of due process.

But, it's not only Germany where mass arrests from anti-lockdown protests also occurred.
London too!

Seems to be a pattern emerging?
------ This thread is Archived ------
Dec 4, 2020 3:15 PM CST Adieu, free speech?
EtherealDude: When the police arrest someone, they take away that person's fundamental right to freedom.
Consequently, there ARE procedures the police must follow, before they can make a legal arrest so that rights remain protected.

Police departments may add extra procedures designed to: protect police officers' physical safety, help the officer document the arrest, or help the officer avoid making a legal mistake which could ruin the prosecution's case.

Generally, police officers are ONLY allowed to use the minimum amount of force necessary to protect themselves and bring the suspect into police custody.

If the arrestee thinks the arrest is unjustified or incorrect, they can always challenge it later with the help of an attorney and, if warranted, bring a civil rights case.

The fact his live feed was interrupted (and thus he was not allowed to continue) depends solely on the reason for his arrest.

I cannot comment on WHY he was arrested, but no doubt hopefully that will become clearer in time.
If proper procedures were not followed though, Dr. Andreas Noack may be able to bring a wrongful arrest case, against the German police.

One thing I do expect though, lawyers will be looking very closely at this, mostly thanks to the interrupted live feed webcam.
So we don't have a clue what this has to do with Free Speech and its all pure speculation at this stage. thumbs up

No doubt because it happened on live stream it will attract publicity.
------ This thread is Archived ------
Dec 4, 2020 3:48 PM CST Adieu, free speech?
PeaceIsLife
PeaceIsLifePeaceIsLifeSherman, Texas USA115 Posts
Yay! Stasi tactics in the West.
------ This thread is Archived ------
Dec 4, 2020 4:01 PM CST Adieu, free speech?
EtherealDude
EtherealDudeEtherealDudeLondon, Greater London, England UK14 Threads 96 Posts
Aragorn11: So we don't have a clue what this has to do with Free Speech and its all pure speculation at this stage.

No doubt because it happened on live stream it will attract publicity.
He WAS freely speaking on a live webcam broadcast, until then prevented from doing so.
In other words, his free speaking (speech) was indeed curtailed, and stopped.

It's not speculation as his arrest was clearly carried out by the German police, and actually video recorded live as it happened.
But yes, nobody (as yet) knows the reason for his arrest, but the way it was carried out and the subsequent footage certainly has attracted great publicity.

Mostly though, it has to be said (so far) with a rather negative attitude towards the police officers actions, regarding their arrest of Dr. Andreas Noack.
The reason for his arrest being also not known, adds to that somewhat too.

If someone was arrested, and thus couldn't finish what they were currently doing....... there'd better be a good reason for the arrest, which was my point.

I just couldn't see a reason for the sudden and dramatic way the German police not only forced entry into Dr. Noack's home but then arrested him in the way they did, however as mentioned (no doubt) the reason for that arrest will become clear, hopefully.

Viewing the London feed, many arrests can also be seen to be made, so viewers can make their own mind up about that too, and hopefully post comments to this thread?
------ This thread is Archived ------
Dec 4, 2020 4:08 PM CST Adieu, free speech?
EtherealDude: He WAS freely speaking on a live webcam broadcast, until then prevented from doing so.
In other words, his free speaking (speech) was indeed curtailed, and stopped.

It's not speculation as his arrest was clearly carried out by the German police, and actually video recorded live as it happened.
But yes, nobody (as yet) knows the reason for his arrest, but the way it was carried out and the subsequent footage certainly has attracted great publicity.
So you're suggesting that the police let him finish before arresting him ?
Not sure that's viable and where does it end ? I'm just finishing my conversation with my friend here and then I'll go with you officers, because I'm entitled to free speech ? Not sure arrestee's have that right :laugh;

The speculation I was referring to was about why he was arrested, which is pure speculation.
------ This thread is Archived ------
Dec 4, 2020 6:19 PM CST Adieu, free speech?
EtherealDude
EtherealDudeEtherealDudeLondon, Greater London, England UK14 Threads 96 Posts
Aragorn11: So you're suggesting that the police let him finish before arresting him ?
Not sure that's viable and where does it end ? I'm just finishing my conversation with my friend here and then I'll go with you officers, because I'm entitled to free speech ? Not sure arrestee's have that right :laugh;

The speculation I was referring to was about why he was arrested, which is pure speculation.
We seem to be going around in a circle with your:
"Are you saying that when police go to arrest someone they should be allowed to finish what they are doing?"
"So you're suggesting that the police let him finish before arresting him?"


I'm saying that if there's a valid reason for ANY arrest, then the police official/officer(s) follow due process to do that, but before the arrest is even carried out, the REASON for the arrest would be very clear, and (usually) the person being arrested is told WHY they are being arrested.

The police have powers to arrest anyone, anywhere and at any time, including on the street, at home or at work.
They should:
identify themselves as the police
tell you that you're being arrested
tell you what crime they think you've committed
explain why it’s necessary to arrest you and also your rights.

If you try to escape or become violent, police can use ‘reasonable force’, for example holding down preventing a run off, or possibly use non-lethal’ incapacitating weapons in appropriate situations, like a taser.
Handcuffs can be used for restraint, assuming it was reasonable and proportionate in the circumstances.
The police do have powers to also search anyone arrested.


For any validated arrest, then certainly the person (being arrested) can be stopped immediately from what they are currently doing.

Viewing the video, and after having his door smashed in (why, and for what good reason was that done for? Couldn't they have just knocked/rang the bell and simply gained entry in a far less aggressive manner?), anyway, the first official to approach Dr Noack and shouting loudly (cannot speak German, so maybe someone who does can translate it all?) apparently telling Dr Noack to lie down on the floor, which he does, is clearly holding a weapon of some sort and I'm not an expert what German police carry but maybe a Heckler & Koch ...but certainly with forend weaponlight.

The second official in the video to appear (in plain clothes) mainly just points at Dr Noack, while a third official (BY4332) appears to either handcuff him or something, but it's out of camera range, so cannot be seen.

BY4332 then (after dealing with Dr Noack) rises to face the camera, and must inspect either the computer system or whatever Dr Noack was live streaming with, spots a web camera and turns it away.
This then appears to capture a second camera (possibly on a stand) that BY4332 also turns.

Dialogue continues, but again I cannot translate that.

If the method of arrest used was suitable for the crime that Dr Noack was arrested for, sobeit.
If not, possibly there's a problem, and a wrongful arrest case to be heard?

Time will tell.....
------ This thread is Archived ------
Dec 5, 2020 2:01 AM CST Adieu, free speech?
KNenagh
KNenaghKNenaghAachen, Kilkenny Ireland12 Threads 11,160 Posts
You can find info in the German press:

On November 18, 2020, Andreas Noack was arrested in his apartment by the USK support command of the special forces of the Bavarian police with another person during a video conference. The door was forcibly broken into during the arrest. According to research by t-online, the newspaper "Neue Presse" (Coburg) and the Donaukurier, the operation was not directed against Andreas Noack but against someone else, and the operation also had nothing to do with Noack's views on the coronavirus pandemic. The police operation confirmed by the Police Headquarters Middle Franconia had originated from the Berlin Public Prosecutor's Office and was directed against a drug trade. There is also an article on the mission on the In Franken website. A journalist who turned to the Middle Franconia police had already been referred to the LKA Berlin. At the time, however, it was still unclear whether Noack was arrested.
------ This thread is Archived ------
Post Comment - Post a comment on this Forum Thread

This Thread is Archived

This Thread is archived, so you will no longer be able to post to it. Threads get archived automatically when they are older than 3 months.

« Go back to All Threads
Message #318

Stats for this Thread

466 Views
8 Comments
by EtherealDude (14 Threads)
Created: Dec 2020
Last Viewed: Apr 12
Last Commented: Dec 2020

Share this Thread

We use cookies to ensure that you have the best experience possible on our website. Read Our Privacy Policy Here