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Dec 8, 2020 4:52 AM CST ONS figures for 2017 also reveal marriages for opposite-sex couples at lowest level on record
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Religious ceremonies accounted for less than one in four marriages for heterosexual couples in 2017.
Religious ceremonies accounted for less than one in four marriages for heterosexual couples in 2017. Photograph: JovanaT/Getty Images

The average age at which heterosexual couples marry has reached 35.7 years for women and 38 years for men, according to the latest official figures.

The Office for National Statistics (ONS) recorded further declines in the number of couples’s opting for religious ceremonies and in overall marriages among opposite-sex couples in 2017.
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Religious ceremonies accounted for less than one in four (23%) marriages between opposite-sex couples – the lowest on record – and only 0.6% of marriages between same-sex couples during that year.

The most popular date to get married in 2017 was 2 September, when 4,370 weddings took place; the least popular was Christmas Day with only three weddings.

Overall marriage rates for heterosexual couples are at their lowest level on record, continuing a long period of decline. There has been a 45% decrease since 1972.

There were 242,842 marriages registered in 2017 – a fall of 2.8% from 2016. Some 6,932 were between same-sex couples – 44% between male couples and 56% between females – a similar figure to 2016, the ONS added.

More than 1,000 couples converted their existing civil partnership into a marriage and 43 same-sex couples married in religious ceremonies in 2017.

The figures for average age at marriage appear to have leveled off in recent years, suggesting that the trend for later marriages may be reaching a limit.

Between the ages of 16 and 29, the number of women getting married is larger than the number of men. From the age of 30 onwards, however, the number of men getting married is greater than the number of women.

The average age for men to marry in 2017 was 38, while for women it was 35.7 among heterosexual couples. By comparison, the average age at marriage for same-sex couples was slightly higher, at 40.1 years for men and 36.6 years for women, the figures show.

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It seems the new romantics are Gay people, straight couples don't want the big day with all the ceremony of getting spliced in front of the world.
Is society breaking down before our eyes?

What is the new norm , whats your take on this???
Dec 8, 2020 6:11 AM CST ONS figures for 2017 also reveal marriages for opposite-sex couples at lowest level on record
tomcatty: Religious ceremonies accounted for less than one in four marriages for heterosexual couples in 2017.
Religious ceremonies accounted for less than one in four marriages for heterosexual couples in 2017. Photograph: JovanaT/Getty Images

The average age at which heterosexual couples marry has reached 35.7 years for women and 38 years for men, according to the latest official figures.

The Office for National Statistics (ONS) recorded further declines in the number of couples’s opting for religious ceremonies and in overall marriages among opposite-sex couples in 2017.
More women aged 60-64 in work than not for first time in UK – ONS
Read more

Religious ceremonies accounted for less than one in four (23%) marriages between opposite-sex couples – the lowest on record – and only 0.6% of marriages between same-sex couples during that year.

The most popular date to get married in 2017 was 2 September, when 4,370 weddings took place; the least popular was Christmas Day with only three weddings.

Overall marriage rates for heterosexual couples are at their lowest level on record, continuing a long period of decline. There has been a 45% decrease since 1972.

There were 242,842 marriages registered in 2017 – a fall of 2.8% from 2016. Some 6,932 were between same-sex couples – 44% between male couples and 56% between females – a similar figure to 2016, the ONS added.

More than 1,000 couples converted their existing civil partnership into a marriage and 43 same-sex couples married in religious ceremonies in 2017.

The figures for average age at marriage appear to have leveled off in recent years, suggesting that the trend for later marriages may be reaching a limit.

Between the ages of 16 and 29, the number of women getting married is larger than the number of men. From the age of 30 onwards, however, the number of men getting married is greater than the number of women.

The average age for men to marry in 2017 was 38, while for women it was 35.7 among heterosexual couples. By comparison, the average age at marriage for same-sex couples was slightly higher, at 40.1 years for men and 36.6 years for women, the figures show.

Ref Yahoo


It seems the new romantics are Gay people, straight couples don't want the big day with all the ceremony of getting spliced in front of the world.
Is society breaking down before our eyes?

What is the new norm , whats your take on this???
So much has changed in our generation. People married in the years of my childhood because it was the status quo. ( You were seen as an oddball of one kind or another if you did not..) then came the beatnik/ free- love- free thinking culture, women’s lib, et al., and (men, especially) were becoming completely disenchanted with the idea of being taken to the cleaners when a marriage dissolved. It’s no wonder the number of marriages has plummeted. I personally believe that the government shouldn’t be involved (which is what a legal marriage is- government involvement in a private matter), and I’m certainly not surprised at all that current trends are as you describe. What a mess between two people a marriage often is, anyway, even of the “ best” ones, and what a super- rotten headache a divorce is, and personally ruinous to either/ or each party. Who the bloody hell would choose these scenarios in other of life’s choices? And, most of those would be somewhat reparable. But a bad marriage sticks to the wall like hot gum. I fully understand why folks no longer want anything to do with it.
Dec 8, 2020 6:42 AM CST ONS figures for 2017 also reveal marriages for opposite-sex couples at lowest level on record
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rohaan: So much has changed in our generation. People married in the years of my childhood because it was the status quo. ( You were seen as an oddball of one kind or another if you did not..) then came the beatnik/ free- love- free thinking culture, women’s lib, et al., and (men, especially) were becoming completely disenchanted with the idea of being taken to the cleaners when a marriage dissolved. It’s no wonder the number of marriages has plummeted. I personally believe that the government shouldn’t be involved (which is what a legal marriage is- government involvement in a private matter), and I’m certainly not surprised at all that current trends are as you describe. What a mess between two people a marriage often is, anyway, even of the “ best” ones, and what a super- rotten headache a divorce is, and personally ruinous to either/ or each party. Who the bloody hell would choose these scenarios in other of life’s choices? And, most of those would be somewhat reparable. But a bad marriage sticks to the wall like hot gum. I fully understand why folks no longer want anything to do with it.
One thing crossed my mind rohaan, are Gay marriages going through the same sort of disillusion, are Gay married, same-sex, couples an item for life more than heteros, and if so what is the extra item that welds them together.

I'm a bit old-fashioned in this way, and although My ex and myself are divorced, I love the pictures of old couples together, and still obviously in love with each other.

what do you think???
Dec 8, 2020 6:58 AM CST ONS figures for 2017 also reveal marriages for opposite-sex couples at lowest level on record
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tomcatty: One thing crossed my mind rohaan, are Gay marriages going through the same sort of disillusion, are Gay married, same-sex, couples an item for life more than heteros, and if so what is the extra item that welds them together.

I'm a bit old-fashioned in this way, and although My ex and myself are divorced, I love the pictures of old couples together, and still obviously in love with each other.

what do you think???
I imagine that there's a lot of pressure on gay people to get married now that it's the latest thing. The pressure to be bang-on trend in a weird way doing what traditionalism did for straight people.

But let's be honest it's just a bit of fun. Two locks and no key isn't going places, or two keys without a lock. The point of marriage is to indenture the servitude of man to woman, to protect her and the little sprogs in a hostile environment.
Dec 8, 2020 7:06 AM CST ONS figures for 2017 also reveal marriages for opposite-sex couples at lowest level on record
tomcatty: Religious ceremonies accounted for less than one in four marriages for heterosexual couples in 2017.
Religious ceremonies accounted for less than one in four marriages for heterosexual couples in 2017. Photograph: JovanaT/Getty Images

The average age at which heterosexual couples marry has reached 35.7 years for women and 38 years for men, according to the latest official figures.

The Office for National Statistics (ONS) recorded further declines in the number of couples’s opting for religious ceremonies and in overall marriages among opposite-sex couples in 2017.
More women aged 60-64 in work than not for first time in UK – ONS
Read more

Religious ceremonies accounted for less than one in four (23%) marriages between opposite-sex couples – the lowest on record – and only 0.6% of marriages between same-sex couples during that year.

The most popular date to get married in 2017 was 2 September, when 4,370 weddings took place; the least popular was Christmas Day with only three weddings.

Overall marriage rates for heterosexual couples are at their lowest level on record, continuing a long period of decline. There has been a 45% decrease since 1972.

There were 242,842 marriages registered in 2017 – a fall of 2.8% from 2016. Some 6,932 were between same-sex couples – 44% between male couples and 56% between females – a similar figure to 2016, the ONS added.

More than 1,000 couples converted their existing civil partnership into a marriage and 43 same-sex couples married in religious ceremonies in 2017.

The figures for average age at marriage appear to have leveled off in recent years, suggesting that the trend for later marriages may be reaching a limit.

Between the ages of 16 and 29, the number of women getting married is larger than the number of men. From the age of 30 onwards, however, the number of men getting married is greater than the number of women.

The average age for men to marry in 2017 was 38, while for women it was 35.7 among heterosexual couples. By comparison, the average age at marriage for same-sex couples was slightly higher, at 40.1 years for men and 36.6 years for women, the figures show.

Ref Yahoo


It seems the new romantics are Gay people, straight couples don't want the big day with all the ceremony of getting spliced in front of the world.
Is society breaking down before our eyes?

What is the new norm , whats your take on this???
Is rhis true for all races, religions and cultures ?
Dec 8, 2020 7:07 AM CST ONS figures for 2017 also reveal marriages for opposite-sex couples at lowest level on record
Taralyn
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I think that marriage in general, has trended out for the most part. It may make a recovery in future years but really what is the big attraction??
Government has made it so any couple living together for 6 months get all the benefits of a married couple.
Cost of a wedding has gotten to be way out of hand.
Cost of divorce is even more expensive (some people claim that it's well worth the cost!).
Too many people who do get married seem to break up within a few months of tying the knot, claiming irreconcilable differences. This person that you can no longer get along with is the same person you lived with for X number of years. He/She didn't change that much in whatever time you were married.
People are simply too unwilling to work on issues now. One time, the stigma around a divorcee was "Whoa, you did what?" Now it's a status thing.... "I've been married and divorced X times!"
Stay single, have a hook-up every now and again and maintain separate residences. All the bonuses without the mess.
Dec 8, 2020 7:14 AM CST ONS figures for 2017 also reveal marriages for opposite-sex couples at lowest level on record
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What there'll be are fewer, stronger marriages from the millennial quarter going against the grain. A sizeable minority who realise that the guidance from society is in fact really bad. You want to be that 20% who don't go down the shitpan over the next 50 years. Marrying a woman is probably not the only unfashionable thing you will have done with your life.
Dec 8, 2020 7:15 AM CST ONS figures for 2017 also reveal marriages for opposite-sex couples at lowest level on record
Taralyn: I think that marriage in general, has trended out for the most part. It may make a recovery in future years but really what is the big attraction??
Government has made it so any couple living together for 6 months get all the benefits of a married couple.
Cost of a wedding has gotten to be way out of hand.
Cost of divorce is even more expensive (some people claim that it's well worth the cost!).
Too many people who do get married seem to break up within a few months of tying the knot, claiming irreconcilable differences. This person that you can no longer get along with is the same person you lived with for X number of years. He/She didn't change that much in whatever time you were married.
People are simply too unwilling to work on issues now. One time, the stigma around a divorcee was "Whoa, you did what?" Now it's a status thing.... "I've been married and divorced X times!"
Stay single, have a hook-up every now and again and maintain separate residences. All the bonuses without the mess.
This sounds so biblical. Our posterity will appreciate our attitudes. conversing can’t wait until orgies are common again too. More liberal the better. wave
Dec 8, 2020 7:29 AM CST ONS figures for 2017 also reveal marriages for opposite-sex couples at lowest level on record
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ChesneyChrist: What there'll be are fewer, stronger marriages from the millennial quarter going against the grain. A sizeable minority who realise that the guidance from society is in fact really bad. You want to be that 20% who don't go down the shitpan over the next 50 years. Marrying a woman is probably not the only unfashionable thing you will have done with your life.
Some fathers still want to give their daughters a nice wedding, a day to remember, some people may think this is patriarchal, but some people like the proper way of doing things, but as you know my daughter is Gay and all I can do really is give her my blessing, fortunately, I get on well with her partner, who treats her well.
Dec 8, 2020 7:46 AM CST ONS figures for 2017 also reveal marriages for opposite-sex couples at lowest level on record
Perhaps, the heterosexual couples wanted a right to get married in order to be accepted as "normal" (whatever it is at every given time point). Then they noticed that being married wasn't so "normal" nowadays and stopped bother.
Dec 8, 2020 7:49 AM CST ONS figures for 2017 also reveal marriages for opposite-sex couples at lowest level on record
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Remember that we don't live in a patriarchy anymore we live in a matriarchy. You won't be told what to do you'll have the woman's illusion of choice, the appearance of just being yourself when in reality there is enormous coercion and pressure to not do just do as expected, but apparently like it too.

Now that we live under women we don't get guidance that leads directly to positive ends. What we have is missinformation and poor guidance so that you can express your superior individuality by ignoring it. It's all a confidence trick if you can be told to do so wrong, but then get it right, you must be the best.
Dec 8, 2020 8:09 AM CST ONS figures for 2017 also reveal marriages for opposite-sex couples at lowest level on record
tomcatty: One thing crossed my mind rohaan, are Gay marriages going through the same sort of disillusion, are Gay married, same-sex, couples an item for life more than heteros, and if so what is the extra item that welds them together.

I'm a bit old-fashioned in this way, and although My ex and myself are divorced, I love the pictures of old couples together, and still obviously in love with each other.

what do you think???
Great questions. Disclaimer on my part: I am not active in the gay culture, so cannot respond in equitable and lucid rhetoric. As far as I know, yes, some gay marriages are going through these problems. I can’t say whether or not these marriages are an item for life, any more or less than traditional marriages. If there is an additional/ extra welding them, it is my humble opinion that it simply goes back to the human condition of the stubbornness of not wanting to admit making a mistake; yes, I believe more so than the traditional marriage because they ( the gay couple) have exponentially more to “prove”, and a relationship failure would tend to indicate ( to many) that they were, after all, “ wrong”, and people have a very difficult time, even in trivial matters, admitting they were “ wrong”. (Many a donnybrook fight started over a silly remark about the correct spelling or pronunciation of a word or term, for example). Not to digress, but that was simply to illustrate how people “ tick”, gay, straight, or somewhere in- between. You have an active mind, tomcatty, and present your views and questions responsibly. More folks should be so considerate.thumbs up
Dec 8, 2020 8:13 AM CST ONS figures for 2017 also reveal marriages for opposite-sex couples at lowest level on record
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And you can't blame women for this. Civilisation is beta and in many ways contrary to Darwinian forces. She doesn't want to have to tell what the right thing is and subsequently the society spells out precisely that which won't get you anywhere. Posterity increasingly survives through sheer force of will, like the caves.
Dec 8, 2020 8:18 AM CST ONS figures for 2017 also reveal marriages for opposite-sex couples at lowest level on record
ChesneyChrist: And you can't blame women for this. Civilisation is beta and in many ways contrary to Darwinian forces. She doesn't want to have to tell what the right thing is and subsequently the society spells out precisely that which won't get you anywhere. Posterity increasingly survives through sheer force of will, like the caves.
If he opens the car door for her, he’s a chauvinist pig. If he doesn’t, he’s an insolent cad. THAT’S why men are ticked off...get it, folks? Men are treated badly, and it needs to stop.
Dec 8, 2020 8:22 AM CST ONS figures for 2017 also reveal marriages for opposite-sex couples at lowest level on record
ChesneyChrist: And you can't blame women for this. Civilisation is beta and in many ways contrary to Darwinian forces. “She doesn't want to have to tell what the right thing”
...but she expects HIM to...scold
Dec 8, 2020 11:01 AM CST ONS figures for 2017 also reveal marriages for opposite-sex couples at lowest level on record
Taralyn
TaralynTaralynFunk Island, Newfoundland Canada5 Threads 1,268 Posts
rohaan: If he opens the car door for her, he’s a chauvinist pig. If he doesn’t, he’s an insolent cad. THAT’S why men are ticked off...get it, folks? Men are treated badly, and it needs to stop.
I don't expect any man to do anything for me that I wouldn't be willing to do for him.

Treat others how you wish to be treated.....
Dec 8, 2020 12:51 PM CST ONS figures for 2017 also reveal marriages for opposite-sex couples at lowest level on record
Taralyn: I don't expect any man to do anything for me that I wouldn't be willing to do for him.

Treat others how you wish to be treated.....
Im absolutely sure you are genuine. I shouldn’t have generalized— sad flower
Dec 8, 2020 12:59 PM CST ONS figures for 2017 also reveal marriages for opposite-sex couples at lowest level on record
Bnaughty
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tomcatty: Some fathers still want to give their daughters a nice wedding, a day to remember, some people may think this is patriarchal, but some people like the proper way of doing things, but as you know my daughter is Gay and all I can do really is give her my blessing, fortunately, I get on well with her partner, who treats her well.
Are they feminine or more like brick layers?
Dec 8, 2020 1:37 PM CST ONS figures for 2017 also reveal marriages for opposite-sex couples at lowest level on record
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:
Are they feminine or more like brick layers?
I guess they laid the bricks up your azz, I would prefer to shove a red hot poker up there,

old English customlaugh laugh laugh laugh laugh
Dec 8, 2020 2:03 PM CST ONS figures for 2017 also reveal marriages for opposite-sex couples at lowest level on record
tomcatty: I guess they laid the bricks up your azz, I would prefer to shove a red hot poker up there,

old English custom
Mercy!shock
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