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Dec 29, 2020 12:30 PM CST Animals have no soul....!
animals have
no soul

they were made

for us

humans to
have ''power'' over

yeah?

plus there is humane

ways in killing and justicefiine

a kill
Dec 29, 2020 12:45 PM CST Animals have no soul....!
pedro27: animals have
no soul

they were made

for us

humans to
have ''power'' over

yeah?

l
For once I agree with you Pedro!
thumbs up
Dec 29, 2020 12:47 PM CST Animals have no soul....!
Dan_777: For once I agree with you Pedro!
hey Dan

they say we

learn something new

everyday

on that note

lets all unite and spread

the good newsgift
Dec 29, 2020 1:21 PM CST Animals have no soul....!
Cavalero
CavaleroCavaleroLiege, Belgium8 Threads 4 Polls 796 Posts
Before talking about whether animals have a "soul" or not, we should first establish a basis of understanding of what IS a soul.

Pedro, what is a soul ?

Also, animals are not on earth for us to have "power" over them.
They are part of the ecosystem like plants and water, they are an integral part of what we call the Earth.
God put Humans on earth to take care of it, all of it including the animals and the plants and the oceans.
So animals are in our custody.
It's also written what kinds of animals we're allowed to eat. The others we're supposed to watch over and make sure all goes well with them and their environment.
Some animals are good for eating, some for riding, others for plowing and others for heavy work, like elephants and bulls...

The meaning of the word "soul" has been bastardized so much throughout the centuries that it ended up meaning something completely different than the meaning of the Hebraic tradition that brought us the Torah and New Testament.
The traditional concept of an immaterial and immortal soul distinct from the body was not found in Judaism before the Babylonian exile, but developed as a result of interaction with Persian and Hellenistic philosophies.

Accordingly, the Hebrew word ????????, (nephesh), although translated as "soul" in some older English Bibles, actually has a meaning closer to "living being". Nephesh was rendered in the Septuagint as ???? (psuchê), the Greek word for soul. The New Testament also uses the word ????, but with the Hebrew meaning and not the Greek.

The only Hebrew word traditionally translated "soul" (nephesh) in English language Bibles refers to a living, breathing conscious body, rather than to an immortal soul. In the New Testament, the Greek word traditionally translated "soul" (????) "psyche", has substantially the same meaning as the Hebrew, without reference to an immortal soul. In the Greek Septuagent psyche is used to translate each instance of "nephesh".

So, humans do not "have" a soul... We ARE souls, ie: living, breathing and ambulant.
According to Genesis 2:7 God did not make a body and put a soul into it like a letter into an envelope of dust; rather he formed man's body from the dust, then, by breathing divine breath into it, he made the body of dust live, i.e. the dust did not embody a soul, but it became a soul, a whole creature.

So, humans and everything that moves and is conscious ( animals ) are souls.
Dec 29, 2020 1:40 PM CST Animals have no soul....!
bodleing2online today!
bodleing2online today!bodleing2Manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK47 Threads 4,472 Posts
Cavalero: Before talking about whether animals have a "soul" or not, we should first establish a basis of understanding of what IS a soul.

Pedro, what is a soul ?

Also, animals are not on earth for us to have "power" over them.
They are part of the ecosystem like plants and water, they are an integral part of what we call the Earth.
God put Humans on earth to take care of it, all of it including the animals and the plants and the oceans.
So animals are in our custody.
It's also written what kinds of animals we're allowed to eat. The others we're supposed to watch over and make sure all goes well with them and their environment.
Some animals are good for eating, some for riding, others for plowing and others for heavy work, like elephants and bulls...

The meaning of the word "soul" has been bastardized so much throughout the centuries that it ended up meaning something completely different than the meaning of the Hebraic tradition that brought us the Torah and New Testament.
The traditional concept of an immaterial and immortal soul distinct from the body was not found in Judaism before the Babylonian exile, but developed as a result of interaction with Persian and Hellenistic philosophies.

Accordingly, the Hebrew word ????????, (nephesh), although translated as "soul" in some older English Bibles, actually has a meaning closer to "living being". Nephesh was rendered in the Septuagint as ???? (psuchê), the Greek word for soul. The New Testament also uses the word ????, but with the Hebrew meaning and not the Greek.

The only Hebrew word traditionally translated "soul" (nephesh) in English language Bibles refers to a living, breathing conscious body, rather than to an immortal soul. In the New Testament, the Greek word traditionally translated "soul" (????) "psyche", has substantially the same meaning as the Hebrew, without reference to an immortal soul. In the Greek Septuagent psyche is used to translate each instance of "nephesh".

So, humans do not "have" a soul... We ARE souls, ie: living, breathing and ambulant.
According to Genesis 2:7 God did not make a body and put a soul into it like a letter into an envelope of dust; rather he formed man's body from the dust, then, by breathing divine breath into it, he made the body of dust live, i.e. the dust did not embody a soul, but it became a soul, a whole creature.

So, humans and everything that moves and is conscious ( animals ) are souls.
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Interestingly the Greek word 'psyche' has twin roots...one is the butterfly whose permutations metaphorically dramatise our experience of soul, the other from the verb 'to breath' is an analog of the invisible wind which enters at birth and departs at death.
Dec 29, 2020 1:43 PM CST Animals have no soul....!
Cavalero: Before talking about whether animals have a "soul" or not, we should first establish a basis of understanding of what IS a soul.

Pedro, what is a soul ?

Also, animals are not on earth for us to have "power" over them.
They are part of the ecosystem like plants and water, they are an integral part of what we call the Earth.
God put Humans on earth to take care of it, all of it including the animals and the plants and the oceans.
So animals are in our custody.
It's also written what kinds of animals we're allowed to eat. The others we're supposed to watch over and make sure all goes well with them and their environment.
Some animals are good for eating, some for riding, others for plowing and others for heavy work, like elephants and bulls...

The meaning of the word "soul" has been bastardized so much throughout the centuries that it ended up meaning something completely different than the meaning of the Hebraic tradition that brought us the Torah and New Testament.
The traditional concept of an immaterial and immortal soul distinct from the body was not found in Judaism before the Babylonian exile, but developed as a result of interaction with Persian and Hellenistic philosophies.

Accordingly, the Hebrew word ????????, (nephesh), although translated as "soul" in some older English Bibles, actually has a meaning closer to "living being". Nephesh was rendered in the Septuagint as ???? (psuchê), the Greek word for soul. The New Testament also uses the word ????, but with the Hebrew meaning and not the Greek.

The only Hebrew word traditionally translated "soul" (nephesh) in English language Bibles refers to a living, breathing conscious body, rather than to an immortal soul. In the New Testament, the Greek word traditionally translated "soul" (????) "psyche", has substantially the same meaning as the Hebrew, without reference to an immortal soul. In the Greek Septuagent psyche is used to translate each instance of "nephesh".

So, humans do not "have" a soul... We ARE souls, ie: living, breathing and ambulant.
According to Genesis 2:7 God did not make a body and put a soul into it like a letter into an envelope of dust; rather he formed man's body from the dust, then, by breathing divine breath into it, he made the body of dust live, i.e. the dust did not embody a soul, but it became a soul, a whole creature.

So, humans and everything that moves and is conscious ( animals ) are souls.
cool statement!
did you write that yourself?
Dec 29, 2020 2:02 PM CST Animals have no soul....!
Selenite
SeleniteSeleniteMálaga, Andalusia Spain48 Threads 1 Polls 5,296 Posts
Cavalero: Before talking about whether animals have a "soul" or not, we should first establish a basis of understanding of what IS a soul.

Pedro, what is a soul ?

Also, animals are not on earth for us to have "power" over them.
They are part of the ecosystem like plants and water, they are an integral part of what we call the Earth.
God put Humans on earth to take care of it, all of it including the animals and the plants and the oceans.
So animals are in our custody.
It's also written what kinds of animals we're allowed to eat. The others we're supposed to watch over and make sure all goes well with them and their environment.
Some animals are good for eating, some for riding, others for plowing and others for heavy work, like elephants and bulls...

The meaning of the word "soul" has been bastardized so much throughout the centuries that it ended up meaning something completely different than the meaning of the Hebraic tradition that brought us the Torah and New Testament.
The traditional concept of an immaterial and immortal soul distinct from the body was not found in Judaism before the Babylonian exile, but developed as a result of interaction with Persian and Hellenistic philosophies.

Accordingly, the Hebrew word ????????, (nephesh), although translated as "soul" in some older English Bibles, actually has a meaning closer to "living being". Nephesh was rendered in the Septuagint as ???? (psuchê), the Greek word for soul. The New Testament also uses the word ????, but with the Hebrew meaning and not the Greek.

The only Hebrew word traditionally translated "soul" (nephesh) in English language Bibles refers to a living, breathing conscious body, rather than to an immortal soul. In the New Testament, the Greek word traditionally translated "soul" (????) "psyche", has substantially the same meaning as the Hebrew, without reference to an immortal soul. In the Greek Septuagent psyche is used to translate each instance of "nephesh".

So, humans do not "have" a soul... We ARE souls, ie: living, breathing and ambulant.
According to Genesis 2:7 God did not make a body and put a soul into it like a letter into an envelope of dust; rather he formed man's body from the dust, then, by breathing divine breath into it, he made the body of dust live, i.e. the dust did not embody a soul, but it became a soul, a whole creature.

So, humans and everything that moves and is conscious ( animals ) are souls.
Great read, thanks thumbs up
Dec 29, 2020 2:30 PM CST Animals have no soul....!
Cavalero: Before talking about whether animals have a "soul" or not, we should first establish a basis of understanding of what IS a soul.

Pedro, what is a soul ?

Also, animals are not on earth for us to have "power" over them.
They are part of the ecosystem like plants and water, they are an integral part of what we call the Earth.
God put Humans on earth to take care of it, all of it including the animals and the plants and the oceans.
So animals are in our custody.
It's also written what kinds of animals we're allowed to eat. The others we're supposed to watch over and make sure all goes well with them and their environment.
Some animals are good for eating, some for riding, others for plowing and others for heavy work, like elephants and bulls...

The meaning of the word "soul" has been bastardized so much throughout the centuries that it ended up meaning something completely different than the meaning of the Hebraic tradition that brought us the Torah and New Testament.
The traditional concept of an immaterial and immortal soul distinct from the body was not found in Judaism before the Babylonian exile, but developed as a result of interaction with Persian and Hellenistic philosophies.

Accordingly, the Hebrew word ????????, (nephesh), although translated as "soul" in some older English Bibles, actually has a meaning closer to "living being". Nephesh was rendered in the Septuagint as ???? (psuchê), the Greek word for soul. The New Testament also uses the word ????, but with the Hebrew meaning and not the Greek.

The only Hebrew word traditionally translated "soul" (nephesh) in English language Bibles refers to a living, breathing conscious body, rather than to an immortal soul. In the New Testament, the Greek word traditionally translated "soul" (????) "psyche", has substantially the same meaning as the Hebrew, without reference to an immortal soul. In the Greek Septuagent psyche is used to translate each instance of "nephesh".

So, humans do not "have" a soul... We ARE souls, ie: living, breathing and ambulant.
According to Genesis 2:7 God did not make a body and put a soul into it like a letter into an envelope of dust; rather he formed man's body from the dust, then, by breathing divine breath into it, he made the body of dust live, i.e. the dust did not embody a soul, but it became a soul, a whole creature.

So, humans and everything that moves and is conscious ( animals ) are souls.
doh doh doh
Dec 29, 2020 2:55 PM CST Animals have no soul....!
Cavalero
CavaleroCavaleroLiege, Belgium8 Threads 4 Polls 796 Posts
pedro27: cool statement!
did you write that yourself?
Thanks, Pedro.
I wrote part of it and knew exactly what I wanted to appear on the post so I had help from Wikipedia and a couple of other sites... that's why you see the ???? where hebrew and greek words are supposed to be.
I've always been good at research. I used to do the work when internet didn't exist and had to peruse hundreds of books in libraries to get to the bottom of things and obtain answers that satisfied my inquisitive mind.
I figured, if my being is on the line, if my place in eternity is at stake, well, I better get some real answers so I searched and searched until my heart was satisfied. I wasn't going to put my eternal life in the hands of others. It's my responsibility to get answers and know because when I finally get in front of God "he told me" is not going to be a defense.
cheers
Dec 29, 2020 3:01 PM CST Animals have no soul....!
Cavalero: Thanks, Pedro.
I wrote part of it and knew exactly what I wanted to appear on the post so I had help from Wikipedia and a couple of other sites... that's why you see the ???? where hebrew and greek words are supposed to be.
I've always been good at research. I used to do the work when internet didn't exist and had to peruse hundreds of books in libraries to get to the bottom of things and obtain answers that satisfied my inquisitive mind.
I figured, if my being is on the line, if my place in eternity is at stake, well, I better get some real answers so I searched and searched until my heart was satisfied. I wasn't going to put my eternal life in the hands of others. It's my responsibility to get answers and know because when I finally get in front of God "he told me" is not going to be a defense.
thank you for spreading

good will on us

i hope god blesses you for your aim..!

now what were you talking about?
Dec 29, 2020 3:22 PM CST Animals have no soul....!
Cavalero
CavaleroCavaleroLiege, Belgium8 Threads 4 Polls 796 Posts
bodleing2: Interestingly the Greek word 'psyche' has twin roots...one is the butterfly whose permutations metaphorically dramatize our experience of soul, the other from the verb 'to breath' is an analog of the invisible wind which enters at birth and departs at death.
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Thanks for added meaning of 'psyche'. I didn't know about the butterfly metaphorically dramatizing our experiences as souls on earth. That's neat.
Dec 29, 2020 3:29 PM CST Animals have no soul....!
Cavalero
CavaleroCavaleroLiege, Belgium8 Threads 4 Polls 796 Posts
pedro27: thank you for spreading

good will on us

i hope god blesses you for your aim..
You're welcome. Just basically conversing Not expecting anyone to be moved one way or the other. I don't aim to make converts. To each their responsibility to understand themselves and the worlds around them, the seen one and the unseen one.

God blesses me every time I take a breath. Life is not a 'right', it's a privilege, a gift and it doesn't belong to us.

pedro27: now what were you talking about?
laugh
Dec 29, 2020 3:33 PM CST Animals have no soul....!
we need animals in a lot of ways. Take bees, they have the power to let plants grow, grew fruit etc. Ants and bacteria we need for cleaning the mess we make, we need chicken to lay eggs, birds are also good for spreading seeds and keeping the insects world in balance. Then there are predators that keep the number of other animals in proportion, without animals people wouldn't be able to live. And as a thank you, we kill them, eat them, poison them , destroy their habitat, humanity is everything that shouldn't be. We need animals, but animals mostly don't need us. Okay, sometimes we can save an animal that is in trouble, question is would it have been in trouble if their were no humans? And living and dying walk hand in hand, even a whole herd of death animals won't extinct the species.
Due to the people lots of species are gone forever, animals and plants.
And because people keep on breeding and they need houses, cattle and fields to food all the new people there will be less and less space for animals. Till one day everything is gone then there will only be people cattle, insects and bacteria and some birds, and by the growing population we have less space for cattle and fields and finally everyone dies because there is no food, no clean water etc.

Humanity is the destruction of the earth.
Jan 18, 2021 3:57 PM CST Animals have no soul....!
Those who abuse animals have no soul....
Jan 18, 2021 4:11 PM CST Animals have no soul....!
blathin
blathinblathinGlasgow, Central, Scotland UK2,305 Posts
pedro27: animals have
no soul

they were made

for us

humans to
have ''power'' over

yeah?

plus there is humane

ways in killing and justicefiine

a kill
Nor do humans either Pedro...the "soul" is but a mere figment of our imagination and testimony to the sheer arrogance of our thinking that we're "special" or of a higher status than animals....

Remove every single animal from the planet and see what happens..we'd barely make it to the end of the year as a species. We need the animals far more than they need us...and if anything, the animals are more important to this planet than we are.. so it is they who have the soul, not us. Our actions and how we treat this planet speaks very clearly to our not having a "soul".
Jan 18, 2021 4:18 PM CST Animals have no soul....!
blathin
blathinblathinGlasgow, Central, Scotland UK2,305 Posts
Cavalero: Before talking about whether animals have a "soul" or not, we should first establish a basis of understanding of what IS a soul.

Pedro, what is a soul ?

Also, animals are not on earth for us to have "power" over them.
They are part of the ecosystem like plants and water, they are an integral part of what we call the Earth.
God put Humans on earth to take care of it, all of it including the animals and the plants and the oceans.
So animals are in our custody.
It's also written what kinds of animals we're allowed to eat. The others we're supposed to watch over and make sure all goes well with them and their environment.
Some animals are good for eating, some for riding, others for plowing and others for heavy work, like elephants and bulls...

The meaning of the word "soul" has been bastardized so much throughout the centuries that it ended up meaning something completely different than the meaning of the Hebraic tradition that brought us the Torah and New Testament.
The traditional concept of an immaterial and immortal soul distinct from the body was not found in Judaism before the Babylonian exile, but developed as a result of interaction with Persian and Hellenistic philosophies.

Accordingly, the Hebrew word ????????, (nephesh), although translated as "soul" in some older English Bibles, actually has a meaning closer to "living being". Nephesh was rendered in the Septuagint as ???? (psuchê), the Greek word for soul. The New Testament also uses the word ????, but with the Hebrew meaning and not the Greek.

The only Hebrew word traditionally translated "soul" (nephesh) in English language Bibles refers to a living, breathing conscious body, rather than to an immortal soul. In the New Testament, the Greek word traditionally translated "soul" (????) "psyche", has substantially the same meaning as the Hebrew, without reference to an immortal soul. In the Greek Septuagent psyche is used to translate each instance of "nephesh".

So, humans do not "have" a soul... We ARE souls, ie: living, breathing and ambulant.
According to Genesis 2:7 God did not make a body and put a soul into it like a letter into an envelope of dust; rather he formed man's body from the dust, then, by breathing divine breath into it, he made the body of dust live, i.e. the dust did not embody a soul, but it became a soul, a whole creature.

So, humans and everything that moves and is conscious ( animals ) are souls.
Now that was an interesting read Cavalero... and an interesting perspective too so thanks for going to the trouble of writing and posting it daisy handshake
Jan 18, 2021 4:22 PM CST Animals have no soul....!
Inthewoods
InthewoodsInthewoodsColorado Springs, Colorado USA7,651 Posts
lovecanbereal: Those who abuse animals have no soul....
I agree... thumbs up
Jan 18, 2021 5:44 PM CST Animals have no soul....!
The Mahayana school directs an investigation into the subject of emptiness, so we can then discover for ourselves whether or not we are simply grasping onto a delusions.
The "I' that we habitually hold as solid when perhaps it is not so solid.

A very careful lengthy inquiry into the subject of emptiness, whether or not the self exists, if it does or does not so we can determine the true nature of self.
Or the inherent none existence of a self...we ourselves (not sheep like understanding) can fully comprehend our true nature. Then we can understand the cycle of suffering that all form beings suffer from.
Beings like ourselves with human shape are described sentient, all beings with form bodies are described sentient beings, all forms of beings that have mind and fear death...animals, fish, insects birds and so forth that have mind and fear death.

Buddhism investigates nature of suffering and teaches antidotes to our ills, careful guided meditations on our true nature negates the false notion that our temporary human form body is the true nature of self.
The teachings explain the nature of self as moving energy, the subtle winds. Some what similar to the religious notion of a soul. Mahayana Buddhism is sometimes described as a mind only school of thought for good reason.

The Buddhist tradition determines whether our cognition of the subject based on logic and reason is an ultimate truth. and follows and or exists only in interdependence.

Its the Mahayana Buddhist view all sentient beings (Beings that have mind and fear death) have been migrating from life to life since beginningless time, our nature is moving energy, subtle winds, and have been taking rebirth in accordance with Karma's. Karma's the interdependent arising's imprinted upon moving energy, the subtle winds, created by our self/non self, imprints made by our body, speech and mind, being good bad or indifferent and collective activities; Karma's driven by certainty of cause and effect.
The imprints upon our subtle winds, the causes so the seeds of our tomorrows giving rise for sentient to migrate from life to life for as long as there are the causes...
Likewise for all sentient beings, beings that have mind and fear death..
Jan 18, 2021 6:26 PM CST Animals have no soul....!
What humans do to animals is inhumane. The slaughter should be stopped right this moment or someday it will be them slaughtering us.

Look at how we torcher lobsters boiling them alive. People say they fall right to sleep once they are submerged in the boiling water and never feel a thing. Wth... how does anyone know this? Their antenni keep moving around for about five mintes once they are in the watr. We are cruel.

Now look at what the Spanish people do to poor bulls! Sick. Makes me want to puke seeing what those spa iards do to them. Their time will come.

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Jan 18, 2021 6:40 PM CST Animals have no soul....!
blathin
blathinblathinGlasgow, Central, Scotland UK2,305 Posts
galrads: What humans do to animals is inhumane. The slaughter should be stopped right this moment or someday it will be them slaughtering us.

Look at how we torcher lobsters boiling them alive. People say they fall right to sleep once they are submerged in the boiling water and never feel a thing. Wth... how does anyone know this? Their antenni keep moving around for about five mintes once they are in the watr. We are cruel.

Now look at what the Spanish people do to poor bulls! Sick. Makes me want to puke seeing what those spa iards do to them. Their time will come.
I totally and absolutely agree with you Gal. It's horrendous. I do eat meat but I draw the line at anything that's been boiled alive or put through absolute torture. e.g. the way calves are caged so we can have veal..it's shocking...another one is that pate....grasse...or something,, the name escapes me. I've never ever eaten,veal, lobster or any other thing that's been made to suffer like that...

There's an old documentary on Youtube called Food Inc. It's about food in the US and will put you off ever eating meat again. It's both horrific and terrifying to see how farm animals are treated in the US and what they're put through it's just shocking. I'll never ever ever ever set foot on US soil again. I find, the sadistic way in which the US treats it's animals..and even moreso it's people to be disgusting, yet all ye argue over is your president and other such mindless stupidity. Millions of people around the world are looking at you and thinking you must all be totally insane...or worse, wish you ill for all the hurt you're spreading around..

Treating each other badly is one thing...but those poor animals do NOT deserve the miserable lives they're being forced to live...just so you can get morbidly obese on morbidly big steaks..quite frankly it's revolting....

Again, not directed at you personally Gal....hug
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