Religions/Beliefs/Perceptions (209)
LeeCharmingCardiff, South Glamorgan, Wales UK537 Threads 273 Polls 6,941 Postsblathin: Yep, that's so true Lee and it doesn't bother me if they do...what does bother me though is when they expect me to drop my standards so as to conform to theirs...
You can get into trouble for criticising some religions and that should never be the case...cause I think everything needs to be looked at and debated...no stone should be left unturned and what is freedom...if you are not free to speak your mind and say it as you see it
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LeeCharming: You can get into trouble for criticising some religions and that should never be the case...cause I think everything needs to be looked at and debated...no stone should be left unturned and what is freedom...if you are not free to speak your mind and say it as you see it
By some religions you mean the muslims and how they retaliate? Yes, you're right, the things they've done is abhorrent for sure.. The RCC were easy to stand up to...but what's goiing on in France and other places these days is not one bit funny...Ah but speaking your mind and freedom of speech both come with their own set of obligations. But that latter bit seems to have been conveniently forgotten by most these days..
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LeeCharming: I think in any powerful religious belief system...the followers of it{the sheep} will defend it and really do their best to discredit opposing views to it....Brainwashing can be a very strong tool and too many over the centuries have fallen for it.
Maybe look at my post #66. Both sides will often do their best to discredit the other. As ever, it's usually from the middle ground that the clearest view can be found.
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blathin: Since my previous reply to this comment has gone unanswered; I guess aiming towards a higher consciousness mustn't include retaining basic good manners..
Nothing to do with manners at all Blathin!Maybe you misinterpreted my comment or...probably...i didn't explain myself properly and used the wrong words???
"Aiming towards a higher consciousness" also means that we don't see things the way we used to see them...we have another perception...and don't get upset over trivia...and, most of the time, we are not really here...neither there...
In conclusion, I apologise for the misunderstanding.
It is all my fault and i take full responsibility for it.
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blathin: Hi Rocky...nope lol....I wasn't looking for someone to prove God existed at all, as no one can prove the existence of something that doesn't exists.. I was posing questions, rhetorical questions I suppose...or sometimes just simply playing devil's advocate. But, since people can't see that particular kind of smile on my face, they read it out of context. There's also a vast difference in literacy skills on here so it's hard to write for 100% comprehension (no offence intended to anyone there by the way it's just the way it is).
Yep, it did start out chaotic at first alright, but over the course of approximately 14 billion years it settled down to the point where we began to see and from those patterns we managed to establish laws and not all the laws are 100% correct, but they're close enough to enable us to extrapolate and make predictions. It started out as pure energy but energy and mass are just different sides of the same coin, so something happened to flip the coin and a series of chain reactions were set off..and hey presto...millions of years later here we are...
I think I do remember you saying something to that effect alright (distinction between god and religion) but I rarely remember what most people say on here, so dont' take my not remembering personally..
it's ok Rocky, I'm not expecting anyone to come up with any answers, it's just more interesting to discuss something like this than what we had for lunch or ...well..you know yourself
PS, I've noticed the logic in a few things you've said, so I'm guessing you've probably given this subject a bit of thought too..Fair play...
Hi blathin Fair play, agreed Yep, it did start out chaotic at first alright, but over the course of approximately 14 billion years it settled down to the point where we began to see and from those patterns we managed to establish laws and not all the laws are 100% correct, but they're close enough to enable us to extrapolate and make predictions. It started out as pure energy but energy and mass are just different sides of the same coin, so something happened to flip the coin and a series of chain reactions were set off..and hey presto...millions of years later here we are...
I think I do remember you saying something to that effect alright (distinction between god and religion) but I rarely remember what most people say on here, so dont' take my not remembering personally..
it's ok Rocky, I'm not expecting anyone to come up with any answers, it's just more interesting to discuss something like this than what we had for lunch or ...well..you know yourself
PS, I've noticed the logic in a few things you've said, so I'm guessing you've probably given this subject a bit of thought too..Fair play...
I thought that you contradicted yourself a bit when you said "It started out as pure energy " Where then did or would this energy have come from ? or are you suggesting that it just randomly appeared out of nowhere ? and then who determines how this energy behaves ? or are you saying that it's just fortuitous that matter behaves the way that it does ? You see blathin no matter how you look at it there has to be some order to all of this or as someone stated " there is method to this madness" and that method I believe is Almighty God.------ This thread is Archived ------
Have no time to reread the entire thread
so, who`s God won?
so, who`s God won?
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Dedovix: Have no time to reread the entire thread
so, who`s God won?
Don't know..so, who`s God won?
They're still praying for the answer..
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Dan_777: Don't know..
They're still praying for the answer..
is the devil a God,,,,They're still praying for the answer..
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michaelright: is the devil a God,,,,
How the heck should I know?How are you my friend?
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michaelright: is the devil a God,,,,
No, he's a Catholic.....------ This thread is Archived ------
bodleing2: No, he's a Catholic.....
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is the devil a God?
Both are one!
That depends on the way a believer policies his faith.
Are they following their own perception of faith (god),
Something that I can understand much more about,
because it gives those people a feeling of safety (I will leave it open as to whether this feeling is justified),
maybe they don't want a real answer at all and they accept their fate.
And just need something to hang on? Nothing wrong with that.
Yet somewhere there is fear of ending up in whatever afterworld (heaven or hell).
From that point of view you can say that the moralizing in their belief is indeed a split personality,
in the form of a fictional god and devil.
Or are they following the manuscript (book) as the given word of god?
In that case...god is the devil,
And by believing that, they end up in a constant conflict.
Considering these books as being the word of god (The all-powerful, all-knowing. and thus is the maker of past, present and future),
so should be without any error or contradiction.
And as we can scientifically prove, there are huge contradictions to be found in the book.
Just to name a few, the earth is flat, the sun disappears into a mud pool, the sky is carried by mountains, etc.
Many times the excuse is used that one has to interpret that text in the spirit of the time,
which in turn is in contradiction with the omniscience of that god ...
god did not know that man was getting smarter, and would discover that it was all not true is.
And when I refer to the "last" revelation (Quran) the new version?
We discover even more contradictions, claiming that a marriage between a "prophet" aged 40+ and a child aged 6,
and this marriage consummated at the age of 9 is acceptable defies all imagination.
Further claim that your own book is not difficult to understand,
and it gives the possibility to make this interpretable in 1001 different ways,
is therefore also a contradiction with omniscience.
Claiming that man has free will and claiming that you (god) are omniscient is another contradiction,
since the omniscient knows in advance where you will end up, so you have no choice or will.
If you, as a human being, would be able to go against his (gods) will, proves that god is not omnipotent.
In view of all the foregoing, it can be safely said that all those stories booklets "Genesis,thora,new testament,bible,quran" were written by none other than humans.
And certainly not by anything omnipotent and omniscient!
AMEN...
Both are one!
That depends on the way a believer policies his faith.
Are they following their own perception of faith (god),
Something that I can understand much more about,
because it gives those people a feeling of safety (I will leave it open as to whether this feeling is justified),
maybe they don't want a real answer at all and they accept their fate.
And just need something to hang on? Nothing wrong with that.
Yet somewhere there is fear of ending up in whatever afterworld (heaven or hell).
From that point of view you can say that the moralizing in their belief is indeed a split personality,
in the form of a fictional god and devil.
Or are they following the manuscript (book) as the given word of god?
In that case...god is the devil,
And by believing that, they end up in a constant conflict.
Considering these books as being the word of god (The all-powerful, all-knowing. and thus is the maker of past, present and future),
so should be without any error or contradiction.
And as we can scientifically prove, there are huge contradictions to be found in the book.
Just to name a few, the earth is flat, the sun disappears into a mud pool, the sky is carried by mountains, etc.
Many times the excuse is used that one has to interpret that text in the spirit of the time,
which in turn is in contradiction with the omniscience of that god ...
god did not know that man was getting smarter, and would discover that it was all not true is.
And when I refer to the "last" revelation (Quran) the new version?
We discover even more contradictions, claiming that a marriage between a "prophet" aged 40+ and a child aged 6,
and this marriage consummated at the age of 9 is acceptable defies all imagination.
Further claim that your own book is not difficult to understand,
and it gives the possibility to make this interpretable in 1001 different ways,
is therefore also a contradiction with omniscience.
Claiming that man has free will and claiming that you (god) are omniscient is another contradiction,
since the omniscient knows in advance where you will end up, so you have no choice or will.
If you, as a human being, would be able to go against his (gods) will, proves that god is not omnipotent.
In view of all the foregoing, it can be safely said that all those stories booklets "Genesis,thora,new testament,bible,quran" were written by none other than humans.
And certainly not by anything omnipotent and omniscient!
AMEN...
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Geronimolion: is the devil a God?
Both are one!
That depends on the way a believer policies his faith.
Are they following their own perception of faith (god),
Something that I can understand much more about,
because it gives those people a feeling of safety (I will leave it open as to whether this feeling is justified),
maybe they don't want a real answer at all and they accept their fate.
And just need something to hang on? Nothing wrong with that.
Yet somewhere there is fear of ending up in whatever afterworld (heaven or hell).
From that point of view you can say that the moralizing in their belief is indeed a split personality,
in the form of a fictional god and devil.
Or are they following the manuscript (book) as the given word of god?
In that case...god is the devil,
And by believing that, they end up in a constant conflict.
Considering these books as being the word of god (The all-powerful, all-knowing. and thus is the maker of past, present and future),
so should be without any error or contradiction.
And as we can scientifically prove, there are huge contradictions to be found in the book.
Just to name a few, the earth is flat, the sun disappears into a mud pool, the sky is carried by mountains, etc.
Many times the excuse is used that one has to interpret that text in the spirit of the time,
which in turn is in contradiction with the omniscience of that god ...
god did not know that man was getting smarter, and would discover that it was all not true is.
And when I refer to the "last" revelation (Quran) the new version?
We discover even more contradictions, claiming that a marriage between a "prophet" aged 40+ and a child aged 6,
and this marriage consummated at the age of 9 is acceptable defies all imagination.
Further claim that your own book is not difficult to understand,
and it gives the possibility to make this interpretable in 1001 different ways,
is therefore also a contradiction with omniscience.
Claiming that man has free will and claiming that you (god) are omniscient is another contradiction,
since the omniscient knows in advance where you will end up, so you have no choice or will.
If you, as a human being, would be able to go against his (gods) will, proves that god is not omnipotent.
In view of all the foregoing, it can be safely said that all those stories booklets "Genesis,thora,new testament,bible,quran" were written by none other than humans.
And certainly not by anything omnipotent and omniscient!
AMEN...
Amen is right ,, go in peace,,,Both are one!
That depends on the way a believer policies his faith.
Are they following their own perception of faith (god),
Something that I can understand much more about,
because it gives those people a feeling of safety (I will leave it open as to whether this feeling is justified),
maybe they don't want a real answer at all and they accept their fate.
And just need something to hang on? Nothing wrong with that.
Yet somewhere there is fear of ending up in whatever afterworld (heaven or hell).
From that point of view you can say that the moralizing in their belief is indeed a split personality,
in the form of a fictional god and devil.
Or are they following the manuscript (book) as the given word of god?
In that case...god is the devil,
And by believing that, they end up in a constant conflict.
Considering these books as being the word of god (The all-powerful, all-knowing. and thus is the maker of past, present and future),
so should be without any error or contradiction.
And as we can scientifically prove, there are huge contradictions to be found in the book.
Just to name a few, the earth is flat, the sun disappears into a mud pool, the sky is carried by mountains, etc.
Many times the excuse is used that one has to interpret that text in the spirit of the time,
which in turn is in contradiction with the omniscience of that god ...
god did not know that man was getting smarter, and would discover that it was all not true is.
And when I refer to the "last" revelation (Quran) the new version?
We discover even more contradictions, claiming that a marriage between a "prophet" aged 40+ and a child aged 6,
and this marriage consummated at the age of 9 is acceptable defies all imagination.
Further claim that your own book is not difficult to understand,
and it gives the possibility to make this interpretable in 1001 different ways,
is therefore also a contradiction with omniscience.
Claiming that man has free will and claiming that you (god) are omniscient is another contradiction,
since the omniscient knows in advance where you will end up, so you have no choice or will.
If you, as a human being, would be able to go against his (gods) will, proves that god is not omnipotent.
In view of all the foregoing, it can be safely said that all those stories booklets "Genesis,thora,new testament,bible,quran" were written by none other than humans.
And certainly not by anything omnipotent and omniscient!
AMEN...
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bodleing2: No, he's a Catholic.....
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michaelright: How do you know the devil's a He,,,,???
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Dan_777: Well...in french "LE diable"
In German "DER Teufel "
In Spanish "EL diablo"
All masculine!
Why one wonders,,, it's discrimination ,,,,In German "DER Teufel "
In Spanish "EL diablo"
All masculine!
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