rohaan: I’ve wanted to comment on this thread, but wasn’t sure how to proceed without stepping on toes or being in opposition to anyone’s cherished beliefs. I “get” frame #2– however, I have a bit different overall belief: even in the most solid marriage/similar, I think that there needs to be a certain level of respect for privacy-of-thought, and therefore, not “everything” is fair game. Not singling women out; I have never known a woman to not say to her loved one/mate, “I don’t want to talk about it. It has nothing to do with you...”, or similar. An example of what I’m saying is illustrated in the following, concerning a married couple I know well. The wife is extremely headstrong, yet frequently says things like “My husband is the family leader—he’s my “head”, like The Bible teaches”. (They’re very churchy) but nags him like there’s no tomorrow. When I’ve sat with them in church, and the minister tells the congregation to close their eyes and bow in a few minutes of personal, private prayer, she stares at him the whole time, and then needles him later about what he was thinking/praying. She then announces all of his emotions to her churchy girlfriends, reveling in airing his most sacred part of his personality. First, his private prayer/meditation is really none of her business, married or not ( she doesn’t tell him HERS..) second, she is severely compromising his personal inner privacy by betraying him to her gaggle. Communication is great, but I adhere to Khalil Gibran: “Let there be spaces in your togetherness”.
I fully agree. Putting aside that awful woman and her lack of discretion I have always found that women don't share everything in their lives with their partner, as men often do. Every woman has her secrets and sometimes she will tell another woman things that she wouldn't tell her partner despite being with him for decades, and only just getting to know the woman she has just met.
Yes. I have had more lies spread by a man who claims to have discreation than you could ever imagine. He would claim it's all a matter of me not understanding, when in reality he was a coward who lacked communication skills and loved control.
Lunabeam: Yes. I have had more lies spread by a man who claims to have discreation than you could ever imagine. He would claim it's all a matter of me not understanding, when in reality he was a coward who lacked communication skills and loved control.
And if he were in the military he would deserve a dishonarable discharge for his "leadership" skills, he lack of discipline, his treatment of subordinates and disrespect for everything and everyone.
Lunabeam: Can there be trust without it? Can there be equality without it? Can there be a relationship?
I would argue that the loss of free speech will spur our ability to communicate in other ways. Maybe even through the medium of dance or a new sound in music, Star Wars not being Star Wars but something new and different that is the equivalent of Star Wars. Not that I especially liked Star Wars the first time. Anybody with any personality gravitate away from the mainstream in the same way that the Alt-Right on Youtube are funnier than any comedian now allowed to take the stage. Oppression is something to overcome.
ChesneyChrist: I would argue that the loss of free speech will spur our ability to communicate in other ways. Maybe even through the medium of dance or a new sound in music, Star Wars not being Star Wars but something new and different that is the equivalent of Star Wars. Not that I especially liked Star Wars the first time. Anybody with any personality gravitate away from the mainstream in the same way that the Alt-Right on Youtube are funnier than any comedian now allowed to take the stage. Oppression is something to overcome.
Too bad there's no cure for narcissism. And as we saw with trump traitors are not always brought to justice. He didn't care what was good for our country, he only cared what was good for him and his ego, no matter how much it hurt our country. There was only one way of seeing things, his way.
Lunabeam: Yes. I have had more lies spread by a man who claims to have discreation than you could ever imagine. He would claim it's all a matter of me not understanding, when in reality he was a coward who lacked communication skills and loved control.
Don't see what that has to do with anything I said. There are always exceptions to the rule, I was speaking from my own experience just as I'm sure you were speaking from yours.
Lunabeam: Too bad there's no cure for narcissism. And as we saw with trump traitors are not always brought to justice. He didn't care what was good for our country, he only cared what was good for him and his ego, no matter how much it hurt our country. There was only one way of seeing things, his way.
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For me personally it's nice to talk to people regulalrly, if I hadn't that, it would be really hard for me. But if I had to live on an isolated island, far from all the people, I hope I could make friends with some animals. Bussinesslike, communication is a must, called a lot of schools today to see if there's a possibility to organise an online schoolchesstournament. Still hope to find someone in my area who's good with the programm I want to use.
Lunabeam: Too bad there's no cure for narcissism. And as we saw with trump traitors are not always brought to justice. He didn't care what was good for our country, he only cared what was good for him and his ego, no matter how much it hurt our country. There was only one way of seeing things, his way.
snowlynx: Don't see what that has to do with anything I said. There are always exceptions to the rule, I was speaking from my own experience just as I'm sure you were speaking from yours.
rohaan: I’ve wanted to comment on this thread, but wasn’t sure how to proceed without stepping on toes or being in opposition to anyone’s cherished beliefs. I “get” frame #2– however, I have a bit different overall belief: even in the most solid marriage/similar, I think that there needs to be a certain level of respect for privacy-of-thought, and therefore, not “everything” is fair game. Not singling women out; I have never known a woman to not say to her loved one/mate, “I don’t want to talk about it. It has nothing to do with you...”, or similar. An example of what I’m saying is illustrated in the following, concerning a married couple I know well. The wife is extremely headstrong, yet frequently says things like “My husband is the family leader—he’s my “head”, like The Bible teaches”. (They’re very churchy) but nags him like there’s no tomorrow. When I’ve sat with them in church, and the minister tells the congregation to close their eyes and bow in a few minutes of personal, private prayer, she stares at him the whole time, and then needles him later about what he was thinking/praying. She then announces all of his emotions to her churchy girlfriends, reveling in airing his most sacred part of his personality. First, his private prayer/meditation is really none of her business, married or not ( she doesn’t tell him HERS..) second, she is severely compromising his personal inner privacy by betraying him to her gaggle. Communication is great, but I adhere to Khalil Gibran: “Let there be spaces in your togetherness”.
I couldn't agree more on your last sentence! If you don't trust your partner with his/her private thoughts and/or personal process I perceive it as "fear of something" which can't be healthy for the long term relationship. I like to be trusted through my process and be given the space including when I'm going through a creative phase. My partner deserves the same. Bo0th knowing all the while to be there for one another
I know some women who "feed" on putting their husbands down when they get together. I can't understand and find it really confusing when the next day, one of them posts loving caring words on f/book for the birthday of the husband they were ridiculing to their friends the day before ... Ridiculing my partner to my friends would be like a betrayal for me. Ro, that women's behaviour sounds abusive ...
snowlynx: I fully agree. Putting aside that awful woman and her lack of discretion I have always found that women don't share everything in their lives with their partner, as men often do. Every woman has her secrets and sometimes she will tell another woman things that she wouldn't tell her partner despite being with him for decades, and only just getting to know the woman she has just met.
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