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Can your thoughts lie too you..? (52)

Aug 6, 2021 4:45 PM CST Can your thoughts lie too you..?
It's just me, myself and I giggle
Aug 6, 2021 4:52 PM CST Can your thoughts lie too you..?
bodleing2: I was originally trying to find a separation between self, me, my, I. When we say myself, what exactly do we mean. It's really just a figure of speech, but is there a separation between self and I? Do I create the thoughts or the self. It's an important distinction.
Who is in control of thought, the observer of thought, 'I' cannot create the thought. If thought is autonomous, the self cannot exist as anything but thought.
Bodleing2, you're way too smart for the average cs'r. Or just being overly academic. You know the term fooling oneself is good enough for the rest of us. M e I don't even know what the thread is about to be honest... So I'm going..lol
Aug 6, 2021 4:56 PM CST Can your thoughts lie too you..?
bodleing2online today!
bodleing2online today!bodleing2Manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK63 Threads 5,540 Posts
Grandsiozzie: It's just me, myself and I
Yes all three of us.

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Aug 6, 2021 5:07 PM CST Can your thoughts lie too you..?
bodleing2: Yes all three of us.
If all 3 sounds unreliable chances are you're being fooled by your own uber menneche rolling on the floor laughing

cheers
Aug 6, 2021 5:07 PM CST Can your thoughts lie too you..?
deedee123xo
deedee123xodeedee123xoLimerick, Ireland18 Threads 4,715 Posts
bodleing2: I was originally trying to find a separation between self, me, my, I. When we say myself, what exactly do we mean. It's really just a figure of speech, but is there a separation between self and I? Do I create the thoughts or the self. It's an important distinction.
Who is in control of thought, the observer of thought, 'I' cannot create the thought. If thought is autonomous, the self cannot exist as anything but thought.
Well from how I see it...thoughts are formed in our subconscious....all day everyday...its our conscious brain that recognise our thoughts, and that's only a fraction of what our subconscious forms.
It's up to our conscious brain to control the thoughts we recognise.
This is where mental health comes in.
When the brain isn't firing right then our thoughts can consume us.
This is where people who are strong of mind don't understand how anyone can believe a lying thought, but sadly suicidal people believe the lies their thoughts are telling them.
That's the difference between someone believing their thoughts and knowing how to control them.

If thay makes any sense.

As for the me , I self....that's too deep for me.
Aug 6, 2021 5:27 PM CST Can your thoughts lie too you..?
bodleing2online today!
bodleing2online today!bodleing2Manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK63 Threads 5,540 Posts
deedee123xo: Well from how I see it...thoughts are formed in our subconscious....all day everyday...its our conscious brain that recognise our thoughts, and that's only a fraction of what our subconscious forms.
It's up to our conscious brain to control the thoughts we recognise.
This is where mental health comes in.
When the brain isn't firing right then our thoughts can consume us.
This is where people who are strong of mind don't understand how anyone can believe a lying thought, but sadly suicidal people believe the lies their thoughts are telling them.
That's the difference between someone believing their thoughts and knowing how to control them.

If thay makes any sense.

As for the me , I self....that's too deep for me.
"The doctrine of anatman (Sanskrit; anatta in Pali) is the core teaching of Buddhism. According to this doctrine, there is no "self" in the sense of a permanent, integral, autonomous being within an individual existence. What we think of as our self, the "me" that inhabits our body, is just an ephemeral experience.

Anatta, or absence of self, is one of the three characteristics of existence. The other two are anicca, the impermanence of all being, and dukkha, suffering. We all suffer or fail to find satisfaction in the physical world or within our own minds. We are constantly experiencing change and attachment to anything is futile, which in turn leads to suffering. Underlying this, there is no permanent self, it is an assembly of components that is subject to constant change. The right understanding of these three seals of Buddhism is part of the Noble Eightfold Path."

What can be simpler than that!

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Aug 6, 2021 5:48 PM CST Can your thoughts lie too you..?
deedee123xo
deedee123xodeedee123xoLimerick, Ireland18 Threads 4,715 Posts
bodleing2: "The doctrine of anatman (Sanskrit; anatta in Pali) is the core teaching of Buddhism. According to this doctrine, there is no "self" in the sense of a permanent, integral, autonomous being within an individual existence. What we think of as our self, the "me" that inhabits our body, is just an ephemeral experience.

Anatta, or absence of self, is one of the three characteristics of existence. The other two are anicca, the impermanence of all being, and dukkha, suffering. We all suffer or fail to find satisfaction in the physical world or within our own minds. We are constantly experiencing change and attachment to anything is futile, which in turn leads to suffering. Underlying this, there is no permanent self, it is an assembly of components that is subject to constant change. The right understanding of these three seals of Buddhism is part of the Noble Eightfold Path."

What can be simpler than that!
Makes my head hurt a little ill be honest.

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Aug 6, 2021 5:52 PM CST Can your thoughts lie too you..?
bodleing2online today!
bodleing2online today!bodleing2Manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK63 Threads 5,540 Posts
deedee123xo: Makes my head hurt a little ill be honest.
It gets easier after a few years of contemplation....laugh
Aug 6, 2021 6:06 PM CST Can your thoughts lie too you..?
My personal experience with all thoughts that I have I do dwell on the negative unless I go motorcycling and if I go on a bike trip I have experience the elimination of the negative which is relieving. Shorter bike rides are good too. I ride almost everyday I can.motorcycle heart beating
Aug 10, 2021 10:43 AM CST Can your thoughts lie too you..?
blathin
blathinblathinGlasgow, Central, Scotland UK3,375 Posts
pedro27: You spend your entire life with your thoughts, so sometimes it's hard to tell if your long-term thought patterns are unhelpful. But if you have high-functioning anxiety, chances are your brain is lying to you pretty much constantly.


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That's a brilliant question Pedro and I totally agree. It can be really hard to tell sometimes if our thought patterns are on the right track or have totally fallen of the rails and playing all sorts of tricks on us.

I've wondered this same thing myself for quite a while and have come to the conclusion that every one does it to varying degrees and it peaks and troughs through bad and good times. Those who say "no way, my mind/brain doesn't lie to me, I know what I'm thinking is perfectly ok..well they're the the very one's who've been totally fooled by their own thoughts (imo). So it's not just people with anxiety etc.

When you think about it, it's pretty obvious that it's actually an integral part of who we are and an essential part as well. All part and parcel of self-preservation and self-comfort. If our brains didn't lie to us (misleading us to think that things aren't that bad/could be worse etc), especially when things turn bad then we could very easily lose all hope and the will to keep going.

Facing the truth can be an extremely difficult thing to do and for some it can be too much. So they will live their entire life in denial and fill the void/shut out the truth with all sorts of crap. One's ability to adapt and bend to what life has to throw at us is probably more of a reflection of our ability to lie to ourselves than our ability to actually handle what life has to throw at us...

It has many names from optimism, the silver lining, the promise of things to come, tomorrow....our brain has a million different ways it lies to us and when things are bad enough then we will gladly grasp at and hang on to whatever little straw of hope it can find for us.

I'm talking about mainstream here but things like bipolar disorders etc are on a whole different level.
Aug 10, 2021 10:54 AM CST Can your thoughts lie too you..?
blathin
blathinblathinGlasgow, Central, Scotland UK3,375 Posts
pedro27: By correcting ones thoughts

One can become totally free

Unconditional love creates inner peaceā€¦!

That is my truth
To be loved just for who you are is an incredible feeling. Sadly far too few have ever known it

So they get a dog instead grin
Aug 10, 2021 12:30 PM CST Can your thoughts lie too you..?
blathin: To be loved just for who you are is an incredible feeling. Sadly far too few have ever known it

So they get a dog instead
Some people got a motorcycle instead but I loved my dog. Stay happyconversing
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