Are boycotts a legitimate form of protest? (150)
Oh you sad little man!
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Typical Zionist troll you are Comrad, emoji's and insults..
The Simpsons are often credited with predicting the future..
The Simpsons are often credited with predicting the future..
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Sorry for pissing you off Jac, I guess it's unavoidable the way I try to get things across, I don't intend to be "aggressive" at all..
The research part, I only post here to hear views and maybe be corrected, if I have to do more research I will.. Thanks for that input
The research part, I only post here to hear views and maybe be corrected, if I have to do more research I will.. Thanks for that input
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The way I look at it, in my totally inexpert way, is that Israel is in breach of international agreements and ethical codes of conduct on a number of levels. There's no question about that.
However, their behaviour as a country, or a people won't be all 'bad'. Likewise, the behaviour of the Palestinian country and people won't be all 'good'.
To come to resolution we have to understand why people think what the think and do what they do. It's no different from the conflicts you get on CS where people spill their own issues all over each other: without understanding and awareness of ourselves and others we will continue to assume first, fire bullets next and generally get it all wrong.
Maybe this might be a useful place to start:
I'm passionate about consumer choices which I believe gives us a greater power to create change than having the vote. If progress is made convincing people that consumerism is a power tool that makes a pneumatic drill look like a damp paper straw, and progress is made in truly understanding the issues in the Middle East, then people can make their own choices about who to give their hard earned to.
Pushing boycotts when people understand neither issue means you are only accessing the choir with your sermon and that won't be enough to create change.
I also think that perhaps the Middle East issues might be better served if the culture of sport was used in the same way that the Barenboim-Said ethos has used the culture of music. It's perhaps common ground wasted if we crush it with a funding boycott.
Y'know, might it be better if Puma were persuaded to financially invest in both Israeli and Palestinian sporting events, thus bringing like-minded people together with common goals. I don't know how feasible that wuld be, it just popped into my head as a potential synergistic pathway.
However, their behaviour as a country, or a people won't be all 'bad'. Likewise, the behaviour of the Palestinian country and people won't be all 'good'.
To come to resolution we have to understand why people think what the think and do what they do. It's no different from the conflicts you get on CS where people spill their own issues all over each other: without understanding and awareness of ourselves and others we will continue to assume first, fire bullets next and generally get it all wrong.
Maybe this might be a useful place to start:
I'm passionate about consumer choices which I believe gives us a greater power to create change than having the vote. If progress is made convincing people that consumerism is a power tool that makes a pneumatic drill look like a damp paper straw, and progress is made in truly understanding the issues in the Middle East, then people can make their own choices about who to give their hard earned to.
Pushing boycotts when people understand neither issue means you are only accessing the choir with your sermon and that won't be enough to create change.
I also think that perhaps the Middle East issues might be better served if the culture of sport was used in the same way that the Barenboim-Said ethos has used the culture of music. It's perhaps common ground wasted if we crush it with a funding boycott.
Y'know, might it be better if Puma were persuaded to financially invest in both Israeli and Palestinian sporting events, thus bringing like-minded people together with common goals. I don't know how feasible that wuld be, it just popped into my head as a potential synergistic pathway.
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jac_the_gripper: The way I look at it, in my totally inexpert way, is that Israel is in breach of international agreements and ethical codes of conduct on a number of levels. There's no question about that.
However, their behaviour as a country, or a people won't be all 'bad'. Likewise, the behaviour of the Palestinian country and people won't be all 'good'.
To come to resolution we have to understand why people think what the think and do what they do. It's no different from the conflicts you get on CS where people spill their own issues all over each other: without understanding and awareness of ourselves and others we will continue to assume first, fire bullets next and generally get it all wrong.
Maybe this might be a useful place to start:
I'm passionate about consumer choices which I believe gives us a greater power to create change than having the vote. If progress is made convincing people that consumerism is a power tool that makes a pneumatic drill look like a damp paper straw, and progress is made in truly understanding the issues in the Middle East, then people can make their own choices about who to give their hard earned to.
Pushing boycotts when people understand neither issue means you are only accessing the choir with your sermon and that won't be enough to create change.
I also think that perhaps the Middle East issues might be better served if the culture of sport was used in the same way that the Barenboim-Said ethos has used the culture of music. It's perhaps common ground wasted if we crush it with a funding boycott.
Y'know, might it be better if Puma were persuaded to financially invest in both Israeli and Palestinian sporting events, thus bringing like-minded people together with common goals. I don't know how feasible that wuld be, it just popped into my head as a potential synergistic pathway.
Great points Jac, this one here "Pushing boycotts when people understand neither issue means you are only accessing the choir with your sermon and that won't be enough to create change." I'm not pushing, the way I see it is, if by me mentioning Palestine on here or anywhere else then maybe some will take a look and see what's happening there, then of course they can make their own judgement or at least understand a little.. Ever little helps. I know it's a Tesco slogan, but 'tis true..However, their behaviour as a country, or a people won't be all 'bad'. Likewise, the behaviour of the Palestinian country and people won't be all 'good'.
To come to resolution we have to understand why people think what the think and do what they do. It's no different from the conflicts you get on CS where people spill their own issues all over each other: without understanding and awareness of ourselves and others we will continue to assume first, fire bullets next and generally get it all wrong.
Maybe this might be a useful place to start:
I'm passionate about consumer choices which I believe gives us a greater power to create change than having the vote. If progress is made convincing people that consumerism is a power tool that makes a pneumatic drill look like a damp paper straw, and progress is made in truly understanding the issues in the Middle East, then people can make their own choices about who to give their hard earned to.
Pushing boycotts when people understand neither issue means you are only accessing the choir with your sermon and that won't be enough to create change.
I also think that perhaps the Middle East issues might be better served if the culture of sport was used in the same way that the Barenboim-Said ethos has used the culture of music. It's perhaps common ground wasted if we crush it with a funding boycott.
Y'know, might it be better if Puma were persuaded to financially invest in both Israeli and Palestinian sporting events, thus bringing like-minded people together with common goals. I don't know how feasible that wuld be, it just popped into my head as a potential synergistic pathway.
I'll check that link later as I'm heading out here.. Thanks again for the input and link..
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Well it's a bit like the old days where voting power and money power were one and the same. The vote of the poor and the nobody love is worth considerably less than it is in democracy's one man, one vote. It represents the enormous power of a wealthy somebody. And it's not in secret so its not really the free choice of an individual, but a fashion of the group.
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jac_the_gripper: The way I look at it, in my totally inexpert way, is that Israel is in breach of international agreements and ethical codes of conduct on a number of levels. There's no question about that.
However, their behaviour as a country, or a people won't be all 'bad'. Likewise, the behaviour of the Palestinian country and people won't be all 'good'.
To come to resolution we have to understand why people think what the think and do what they do. It's no different from the conflicts you get on CS where people spill their own issues all over each other: without understanding and awareness of ourselves and others we will continue to assume first, fire bullets next and generally get it all wrong.
Maybe this might be a useful place to start:
I'm passionate about consumer choices which I believe gives us a greater power to create change than having the vote. If progress is made convincing people that consumerism is a power tool that makes a pneumatic drill look like a damp paper straw, and progress is made in truly understanding the issues in the Middle East, then people can make their own choices about who to give their hard earned to.
Pushing boycotts when people understand neither issue means you are only accessing the choir with your sermon and that won't be enough to create change.
I also think that perhaps the Middle East issues might be better served if the culture of sport was used in the same way that the Barenboim-Said ethos has used the culture of music. It's perhaps common ground wasted if we crush it with a funding boycott.
Y'know, might it be better if Puma were persuaded to financially invest in both Israeli and Palestinian sporting events, thus bringing like-minded people together with common goals. I don't know how feasible that wuld be, it just popped into my head as a potential synergistic pathway.
Yeah, spose soHowever, their behaviour as a country, or a people won't be all 'bad'. Likewise, the behaviour of the Palestinian country and people won't be all 'good'.
To come to resolution we have to understand why people think what the think and do what they do. It's no different from the conflicts you get on CS where people spill their own issues all over each other: without understanding and awareness of ourselves and others we will continue to assume first, fire bullets next and generally get it all wrong.
Maybe this might be a useful place to start:
I'm passionate about consumer choices which I believe gives us a greater power to create change than having the vote. If progress is made convincing people that consumerism is a power tool that makes a pneumatic drill look like a damp paper straw, and progress is made in truly understanding the issues in the Middle East, then people can make their own choices about who to give their hard earned to.
Pushing boycotts when people understand neither issue means you are only accessing the choir with your sermon and that won't be enough to create change.
I also think that perhaps the Middle East issues might be better served if the culture of sport was used in the same way that the Barenboim-Said ethos has used the culture of music. It's perhaps common ground wasted if we crush it with a funding boycott.
Y'know, might it be better if Puma were persuaded to financially invest in both Israeli and Palestinian sporting events, thus bringing like-minded people together with common goals. I don't know how feasible that wuld be, it just popped into my head as a potential synergistic pathway.
Except without the rhetoric and basic 'indigenous' UN rights.
Answer this oh wise ones. Maori are 'indigenous' (NO more than 800 yrs). So let's assume that Maori (less than 1000 yrs) are indigenous. Are Jews indigenous to Israel? Are the Picts and Iberians indigenous to celt/kelt land?
Are Bantu's indigenous to South/East Africa? Fun fact, Bantu aren't. Irish aren't indigenous to Eire either depending on clan/tribe.
Get's a bit heavy. Google Moriori.
The so-called 'Maori' originated from Taiwan.
Regardless, apart from Jo Brand and whom ever..........who are the indigenous brits? I can guarantee it wasn't cheddar man. In fact, Chesney Christ has more in common with Stonehenge than the Pyramids of geezer
So, let's start from the beginning. I'd love to tell you the truth where the sun never set, sad truth is.......your universities are saying otherwise to pretend and perhaps bow down to diversity without actual critical thinking
Rant over, as you were
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Name_Taken_Too: Great points Jac, this one here "Pushing boycotts when people understand neither issue means you are only accessing the choir with your sermon and that won't be enough to create change." I'm not pushing, the way I see it is, if by me mentioning Palestine on here or anywhere else then maybe some will take a look and see what's happening there, then of course they can make their own judgement or at least understand a little.. Ever little helps. I know it's a Tesco slogan, but 'tis true..
I'll check that link later as I'm heading out here.. Thanks again for the input and link..
You might not feel like you're pushing bycotts, but I felt pushed, despite supporting the ideas of consumer power and ending Israel's transgressions.I'll check that link later as I'm heading out here.. Thanks again for the input and link..
I don't mean to criticise, so much as give feedback. I'm not even sure why I feel pushed given you specifically asked for opinions about boyoctts. There's a psychology in there somewhere that's maybe to do with your history of posting about the Israel/Palestine conflict and the boycott image you chose. Imagery is powerful and perhaps overrides the written word in our consciousness.
You certainly got me thinking about the efficacy of boycotts and inspired me in a round about way, but I suspect for the majority it just feels like, 'Oh, here we go again...'
I agree, change happens by increments and everything contributes to that, but how much time do we have under the circumstances? How do we make these issues more accessible and acceptable to increase the size of the steps towards equality and basic human rights?
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jac_the_gripper: I'm going to make Rosie a princess thobe.
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jac_the_gripper: I'm going to make Rosie a princess thobe.
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jac_the_gripper: I'm going to make Rosie a princess thobe.
Why not go the whole hog? Take nothing for granted........venture forth and throbe.The chariot awaits
Whole lotta rosey, daffadils and pickles
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MrBoDangles: Why not go the whole hog? Take nothing for granted........venture forth and throbe.
The chariot awaits
Whole lotta rosey, daffadils and pickles
Good rock..The chariot awaits
Whole lotta rosey, daffadils and pickles
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Name_Taken_Too: Do you think boycotts make a difference?
Israel’s settlements contribute to serious human rights abuses and are a direct cause for restrictions on Palestinian freedom of movement, access to natural resources and ability to build homes and conduct business. UN Security Council Resolution 2334 (2016) reconfirmed the illegality of Israeli settlements, denouncing them as “flagrant violations” of international law.
Good question Dino. I hope to contribute after my tea!Israel’s settlements contribute to serious human rights abuses and are a direct cause for restrictions on Palestinian freedom of movement, access to natural resources and ability to build homes and conduct business. UN Security Council Resolution 2334 (2016) reconfirmed the illegality of Israeli settlements, denouncing them as “flagrant violations” of international law.
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I boycotted Exxon when the Exxon Valdex oil spill happened.
I also boycotted BP when the Deepwater Horizon oil spill happened.
The Exxon Valdez was the worst oil spill in U.S. waters until the Deepwater Horizon oil spill in 2010. Within days oil from the Exxon Valdez spread some 1,300 miles along the coast of what was pristine wilderness.
These billion dollar companies were reckless with their equipment and the lives of those who worked for them.
Exxon and BP didn't see a difference in their Profit & Loss Statements since I wasn't buying their gas so in this case my boycotting didn't have an impact on them but in my conscience I felt I was doing my part to kick them in the butt.
To this day I don't buy Exxon or BP gas.
I also boycotted BP when the Deepwater Horizon oil spill happened.
The Exxon Valdez was the worst oil spill in U.S. waters until the Deepwater Horizon oil spill in 2010. Within days oil from the Exxon Valdez spread some 1,300 miles along the coast of what was pristine wilderness.
These billion dollar companies were reckless with their equipment and the lives of those who worked for them.
Exxon and BP didn't see a difference in their Profit & Loss Statements since I wasn't buying their gas so in this case my boycotting didn't have an impact on them but in my conscience I felt I was doing my part to kick them in the butt.
To this day I don't buy Exxon or BP gas.
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secretagent09: I boycotted Exxon when the Exxon Valdex oil spill happened.
I also boycotted BP when the Deepwater Horizon oil spill happened.
The Exxon Valdez was the worst oil spill in U.S. waters until the Deepwater Horizon oil spill in 2010. Within days oil from the Exxon Valdez spread some 1,300 miles along the coast of what was pristine wilderness.
These billion dollar companies were reckless with their equipment and the lives of those who worked for them.
Exxon and BP didn't see a difference in their Profit & Loss Statements since I wasn't buying their gas so in this case my boycotting didn't have an impact on them but in my conscience I felt I was doing my part to kick them in the butt.
To this day I don't buy Exxon or BP gas.
None of these greedy companies like losing trade. I also boycotted BP when the Deepwater Horizon oil spill happened.
The Exxon Valdez was the worst oil spill in U.S. waters until the Deepwater Horizon oil spill in 2010. Within days oil from the Exxon Valdez spread some 1,300 miles along the coast of what was pristine wilderness.
These billion dollar companies were reckless with their equipment and the lives of those who worked for them.
Exxon and BP didn't see a difference in their Profit & Loss Statements since I wasn't buying their gas so in this case my boycotting didn't have an impact on them but in my conscience I felt I was doing my part to kick them in the butt.
To this day I don't buy Exxon or BP gas.
Hitting them in the wallet does work if enough people join in.
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jac_the_gripper: You might not feel like you're pushing bycotts, but I felt pushed, despite supporting the ideas of consumer power and ending Israel's transgressions.
I don't mean to criticise, so much as give feedback. I'm not even sure why I feel pushed given you specifically asked for opinions about boyoctts. There's a psychology in there somewhere that's maybe to do with your history of posting about the Israel/Palestine conflict and the boycott image you chose. Imagery is powerful and perhaps overrides the written word in our consciousness.
You certainly got me thinking about the efficacy of boycotts and inspired me in a round about way, but I suspect for the majority it just feels like, 'Oh, here we go again...'
I agree, change happens by increments and everything contributes to that, but how much time do we have under the circumstances? How do we make these issues more accessible and acceptable to increase the size of the steps towards equality and basic human rights?
Yes I take you're feedback on it as always, and hope to learn from that, as I said, my intention wasn't to be pushy, although highlighting something you have passion for can be construed as being pushy if you highlight it too much I guess. I don't mean to criticise, so much as give feedback. I'm not even sure why I feel pushed given you specifically asked for opinions about boyoctts. There's a psychology in there somewhere that's maybe to do with your history of posting about the Israel/Palestine conflict and the boycott image you chose. Imagery is powerful and perhaps overrides the written word in our consciousness.
You certainly got me thinking about the efficacy of boycotts and inspired me in a round about way, but I suspect for the majority it just feels like, 'Oh, here we go again...'
I agree, change happens by increments and everything contributes to that, but how much time do we have under the circumstances? How do we make these issues more accessible and acceptable to increase the size of the steps towards equality and basic human rights?
But then as you say "You certainly got me thinking about the efficacy of boycotts and inspired me in a round about way." so in that sense I have accomplished my mission so to speak..
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snowlynx: Good question Dino. I hope to contribute after my tea!
Maith thú Snowy.. Sure don't Boycott as word/tactic originate in dear old Ireland? 
"The word is named after Captain Charles Boycott, agent of an absentee landlord in Ireland, against whom the tactic was successfully employed after a suggestion by Irish nationalist leader Charles Stewart Parnell and his Irish Land League in 1880."
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One concern is that the Chinese people will orchestrate a far more disciplined boycott of anybody who criticises their concentration camps. To say they won't buy from you and refrain from doing so, as well.
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ChesneyChrist: One concern is that the Chinese people will orchestrate a far more disciplined boycott of anybody who criticises their concentration camps. To say they won't buy from you and refrain from doing so, as well.
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Israel’s settlements contribute to serious human rights abuses and are a direct cause for restrictions on Palestinian freedom of movement, access to natural resources and ability to build homes and conduct business. UN Security Council Resolution 2334 (2016) reconfirmed the illegality of Israeli settlements, denouncing them as “flagrant violations” of international law.