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Are boycotts a legitimate form of protest? (204)

Oct 8, 2021 5:52 AM CST Are boycotts a legitimate form of protest?
Do you think boycotts make a difference?

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Israel’s settlements contribute to serious human rights abuses and are a direct cause for restrictions on Palestinian freedom of movement, access to natural resources and ability to build homes and conduct business. UN Security Council Resolution 2334 (2016) reconfirmed the illegality of Israeli settlements, denouncing them as “flagrant violations” of international law.
Oct 8, 2021 6:36 AM CST Are boycotts a legitimate form of protest?
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Oh you sad little man!rolling on the floor laughing
Oct 8, 2021 6:40 AM CST Are boycotts a legitimate form of protest?
Typical Zionist troll you are Comrad, emoji's and insults..comfort

The Simpsons are often credited with predicting the future..peace

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Oct 8, 2021 7:14 AM CST Are boycotts a legitimate form of protest?
I think they may have some impact.

The Nestlé boycott has pressured the company into revising their baby formula practises in low income countries, but the company keeps violating the ethical codes. It's things like having the instructions on the packaging written in the right language, so it's very achievable for such a massive and profitable company. The boycott has been on and off for decades, but unfortunately mostly on. UNICEF reported in 1995 that some 4,000 babies worldwide were dying every day because they weren't being breast fed.

I think it's important that companies revise their business practises, particularly as it highlights human rights issues, but more importantly each and every one of us has the consumer power to be the change we want to see.

If everyone bycotted Nestlé coffee alone (even without all their other products which fill half the supermarket shelves), it would put huge pressure on the company. It would cause greater financial losses than they would sustain from ethical baby formula practises, or supplying low income countries with cheap adult foods so women are able to breastfeed, rather than flooding those markets with the more profitable cheap infant formula.

The thing is, most people will whine that they like Nescafé and don't like other coffees, despite there being a massive coffee market to choose from. Much of that is to do with advertising, familiarity and trusted branding.

I worked in a pharmacy in my student days. When people asked for 'Anadin', I'd offer the brand and a generic equivalent. I'd point out they were both 200mg salicylic acid, identical, but people would routinely pay 10 times the price for the brand version 'because I know it works'.

Research has demonstrated that pain relief is at least in part psycholgical in it's effect. If you tell someone either pain relief medication works well, or doesn't work well, it impacts upon their perception of how well it works. Advertising also affects perception, so the success of 'Anadin' was directly proportional to it's media exposure. 'Anadin' tablets worked better than 'Anadin' identical tablets because 'Anadin' told everyone they did.

In terms of boycott tactics and activism, you're up against very complex, interwoven psycholgical phenomena. With respect to the Israeli occupation of Palestine there are a ridiculous number of factors which affect people's perceptions and behaviours.

I appreciate you highlightng the issue of the OPT's and your passion, but your campaigning often comes across as aggressive and pisses people off. You've pissed me off a few times despite, as an ethnically Jewish woman, I agree with you that Israel needs to have a jolly good think about it's human rights abuses that are so reminiscent of it's people's own experiences.

You need to do more research, Dino. You need to understand the psychology of the dynamic before you fall into the same trap as the country of Israel, i.e., completely missing the feckin' point.
Oct 8, 2021 7:20 AM CST Are boycotts a legitimate form of protest?
Sorry for pissing you off Jac, I guess it's unavoidable the way I try to get things across, I don't intend to be "aggressive" at all..sigh

The research part, I only post here to hear views and maybe be corrected, if I have to do more research I will.. Thanks for that input
Oct 8, 2021 8:13 AM CST Are boycotts a legitimate form of protest?
The way I look at it, in my totally inexpert way, is that Israel is in breach of international agreements and ethical codes of conduct on a number of levels. There's no question about that.

However, their behaviour as a country, or a people won't be all 'bad'. Likewise, the behaviour of the Palestinian country and people won't be all 'good'.

To come to resolution we have to understand why people think what the think and do what they do. It's no different from the conflicts you get on CS where people spill their own issues all over each other: without understanding and awareness of ourselves and others we will continue to assume first, fire bullets next and generally get it all wrong.

Maybe this might be a useful place to start:



I'm passionate about consumer choices which I believe gives us a greater power to create change than having the vote. If progress is made convincing people that consumerism is a power tool that makes a pneumatic drill look like a damp paper straw, and progress is made in truly understanding the issues in the Middle East, then people can make their own choices about who to give their hard earned to.

Pushing boycotts when people understand neither issue means you are only accessing the choir with your sermon and that won't be enough to create change.

I also think that perhaps the Middle East issues might be better served if the culture of sport was used in the same way that the Barenboim-Said ethos has used the culture of music. It's perhaps common ground wasted if we crush it with a funding boycott.

Y'know, might it be better if Puma were persuaded to financially invest in both Israeli and Palestinian sporting events, thus bringing like-minded people together with common goals. I don't know how feasible that wuld be, it just popped into my head as a potential synergistic pathway.
Oct 8, 2021 8:22 AM CST Are boycotts a legitimate form of protest?
jac_the_gripper: The way I look at it, in my totally inexpert way, is that Israel is in breach of international agreements and ethical codes of conduct on a number of levels. There's no question about that.

However, their behaviour as a country, or a people won't be all 'bad'. Likewise, the behaviour of the Palestinian country and people won't be all 'good'.

To come to resolution we have to understand why people think what the think and do what they do. It's no different from the conflicts you get on CS where people spill their own issues all over each other: without understanding and awareness of ourselves and others we will continue to assume first, fire bullets next and generally get it all wrong.

Maybe this might be a useful place to start:



I'm passionate about consumer choices which I believe gives us a greater power to create change than having the vote. If progress is made convincing people that consumerism is a power tool that makes a pneumatic drill look like a damp paper straw, and progress is made in truly understanding the issues in the Middle East, then people can make their own choices about who to give their hard earned to.

Pushing boycotts when people understand neither issue means you are only accessing the choir with your sermon and that won't be enough to create change.

I also think that perhaps the Middle East issues might be better served if the culture of sport was used in the same way that the Barenboim-Said ethos has used the culture of music. It's perhaps common ground wasted if we crush it with a funding boycott.

Y'know, might it be better if Puma were persuaded to financially invest in both Israeli and Palestinian sporting events, thus bringing like-minded people together with common goals. I don't know how feasible that wuld be, it just popped into my head as a potential synergistic pathway.
Great points Jac, this one here "Pushing boycotts when people understand neither issue means you are only accessing the choir with your sermon and that won't be enough to create change." I'm not pushing, the way I see it is, if by me mentioning Palestine on here or anywhere else then maybe some will take a look and see what's happening there, then of course they can make their own judgement or at least understand a little.. Ever little helps. I know it's a Tesco slogan, but 'tis true..

I'll check that link later as I'm heading out here.. Thanks again for the input and link..
tip hat
Oct 8, 2021 8:25 AM CST Are boycotts a legitimate form of protest?
MrBoDangles
MrBoDanglesMrBoDanglesAuckland, New Zealand410 Posts
Is the Pope Catholic?

Did a possum shit in my G-String.

The answer my friends, is blowing in Co2 flatulence wind

teddybear
Oct 8, 2021 8:25 AM CST Are boycotts a legitimate form of protest?
ChesneyChristonline today!
ChesneyChristonline today!ChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK9,369 Posts
Well it's a bit like the old days where voting power and money power were one and the same. The vote of the poor and the nobody love is worth considerably less than it is in democracy's one man, one vote. It represents the enormous power of a wealthy somebody. And it's not in secret so its not really the free choice of an individual, but a fashion of the group.
Oct 8, 2021 8:51 AM CST Are boycotts a legitimate form of protest?
MrBoDangles
MrBoDanglesMrBoDanglesAuckland, New Zealand410 Posts
jac_the_gripper: The way I look at it, in my totally inexpert way, is that Israel is in breach of international agreements and ethical codes of conduct on a number of levels. There's no question about that.

However, their behaviour as a country, or a people won't be all 'bad'. Likewise, the behaviour of the Palestinian country and people won't be all 'good'.

To come to resolution we have to understand why people think what the think and do what they do. It's no different from the conflicts you get on CS where people spill their own issues all over each other: without understanding and awareness of ourselves and others we will continue to assume first, fire bullets next and generally get it all wrong.

Maybe this might be a useful place to start:



I'm passionate about consumer choices which I believe gives us a greater power to create change than having the vote. If progress is made convincing people that consumerism is a power tool that makes a pneumatic drill look like a damp paper straw, and progress is made in truly understanding the issues in the Middle East, then people can make their own choices about who to give their hard earned to.

Pushing boycotts when people understand neither issue means you are only accessing the choir with your sermon and that won't be enough to create change.

I also think that perhaps the Middle East issues might be better served if the culture of sport was used in the same way that the Barenboim-Said ethos has used the culture of music. It's perhaps common ground wasted if we crush it with a funding boycott.

Y'know, might it be better if Puma were persuaded to financially invest in both Israeli and Palestinian sporting events, thus bringing like-minded people together with common goals. I don't know how feasible that wuld be, it just popped into my head as a potential synergistic pathway.
Yeah, spose so

Except without the rhetoric and basic 'indigenous' UN rights.

Answer this oh wise ones. Maori are 'indigenous' (NO more than 800 yrs). So let's assume that Maori (less than 1000 yrs) are indigenous. Are Jews indigenous to Israel? Are the Picts and Iberians indigenous to celt/kelt land?

Are Bantu's indigenous to South/East Africa? Fun fact, Bantu aren't. Irish aren't indigenous to Eire either depending on clan/tribe.

Get's a bit heavy. Google Moriori.
The so-called 'Maori' originated from Taiwan.

Regardless, apart from Jo Brand and whom ever..........who are the indigenous brits? I can guarantee it wasn't cheddar man. In fact, Chesney Christ has more in common with Stonehenge than the Pyramids of geezer

So, let's start from the beginning. I'd love to tell you the truth where the sun never set, sad truth is.......your universities are saying otherwise to pretend and perhaps bow down to diversity without actual critical thinking

Rant over, as you were teddybear
Oct 8, 2021 8:58 AM CST Are boycotts a legitimate form of protest?
Fuk a bunch of muzzies.. I don't care for them in their country, and I damn sho don't care for them in mine..
Oct 8, 2021 9:10 AM CST Are boycotts a legitimate form of protest?
MrBoDangles
MrBoDanglesMrBoDanglesAuckland, New Zealand410 Posts
mikey4691: Fuk a bunch of muzzies.. I don't care for them in their country, and I damn sho don't care for them in mine..
C'mon mate, relax

If it wasn't for the muzzies, we wouldn't be drinking kaffers.

To be honest though, I'm rather partial to beheadings.
Oct 8, 2021 9:15 AM CST Are boycotts a legitimate form of protest?
Name_Taken_Too: Great points Jac, this one here "Pushing boycotts when people understand neither issue means you are only accessing the choir with your sermon and that won't be enough to create change." I'm not pushing, the way I see it is, if by me mentioning Palestine on here or anywhere else then maybe some will take a look and see what's happening there, then of course they can make their own judgement or at least understand a little.. Ever little helps. I know it's a Tesco slogan, but 'tis true..

I'll check that link later as I'm heading out here.. Thanks again for the input and link..
You might not feel like you're pushing bycotts, but I felt pushed, despite supporting the ideas of consumer power and ending Israel's transgressions.

I don't mean to criticise, so much as give feedback. I'm not even sure why I feel pushed given you specifically asked for opinions about boyoctts. There's a psychology in there somewhere that's maybe to do with your history of posting about the Israel/Palestine conflict and the boycott image you chose. Imagery is powerful and perhaps overrides the written word in our consciousness.

You certainly got me thinking about the efficacy of boycotts and inspired me in a round about way, but I suspect for the majority it just feels like, 'Oh, here we go again...' laugh

I agree, change happens by increments and everything contributes to that, but how much time do we have under the circumstances? How do we make these issues more accessible and acceptable to increase the size of the steps towards equality and basic human rights?
Oct 8, 2021 9:17 AM CST Are boycotts a legitimate form of protest?
MrBoDangles
MrBoDanglesMrBoDanglesAuckland, New Zealand410 Posts
'Are boycotts a legitimate form of protest?'

It's a catch 22 comeuppance to be fair.

Are Women women? How many genders are there? How come my pre-c*m isn't potent, yet my harvest is the best in town?

Oct 8, 2021 9:19 AM CST Are boycotts a legitimate form of protest?
mikey4691: Fuk a bunch of muzzies.. I don't care for them in their country, and I damn sho don't care for them in mine..
I'm going to make Rosie a princess thobe. grin
Oct 8, 2021 9:21 AM CST Are boycotts a legitimate form of protest?
MrBoDangles
MrBoDanglesMrBoDanglesAuckland, New Zealand410 Posts
jac_the_gripper: I'm going to make Rosie a princess thobe.
I'm going to make 100 and 1000's fairy tale bread with lambs fry for good measure
Oct 8, 2021 9:25 AM CST Are boycotts a legitimate form of protest?
jac_the_gripper: I'm going to make Rosie a princess thobe.
It's about to get cold out, make it a warm one..
Oct 8, 2021 9:32 AM CST Are boycotts a legitimate form of protest?
MrBoDangles
MrBoDanglesMrBoDanglesAuckland, New Zealand410 Posts
jac_the_gripper: I'm going to make Rosie a princess thobe.
Why not go the whole hog? Take nothing for granted........venture forth and throbe.

The chariot awaits

Whole lotta rosey, daffadils and pickles

Oct 8, 2021 9:38 AM CST Are boycotts a legitimate form of protest?
MrBoDangles: Why not go the whole hog? Take nothing for granted........venture forth and throbe.

The chariot awaits

Whole lotta rosey, daffadils and pickles
Good rock..
Oct 8, 2021 11:04 AM CST Are boycotts a legitimate form of protest?
Name_Taken_Too: Do you think boycotts make a difference?



Israel’s settlements contribute to serious human rights abuses and are a direct cause for restrictions on Palestinian freedom of movement, access to natural resources and ability to build homes and conduct business. UN Security Council Resolution 2334 (2016) reconfirmed the illegality of Israeli settlements, denouncing them as “flagrant violations” of international law.
Good question Dino. I hope to contribute after my tea!coffee
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