8 prominent Doctors and scientists ... (210)

Oct 15, 2021 7:13 PM CST 8 prominent Doctors and scientists ...
Selenite
SeleniteSeleniteMálaga, Andalusia Spain74 Threads 1 Polls 8,144 Posts
8 prominent doctors and scientists engage in a remarkable exchange ...

Just over 45 min long ... well worth a watch/listen till the end ...

Oct 16, 2021 9:33 AM CST 8 prominent Doctors and scientists ...
Fadedbluejeans
FadedbluejeansFadedbluejeansNorth Bay, Ontario Canada26 Threads 5 Polls 1,525 Posts
Selenite: 8 prominent doctors and scientists engage in a remarkable exchange ...

Just over 45 min long ... well worth a watch/listen till the end ...
Thank you so much Selenite.
I watched the entire video and finally understand the truth. The information was total truth as the panel was not made up for TV.grin There was only one question that was possibly purposely not asked and I am assuming it was from fear of reprisal. I had a question it would be ... If there was no vaccine would the Covid
be gone by now?
Oct 16, 2021 10:49 AM CST 8 prominent Doctors and scientists ...
Selenite
SeleniteSeleniteMálaga, Andalusia Spain74 Threads 1 Polls 8,144 Posts
Fadedbluejeans: Thank you so much Selenite.
I watched the entire video and finally understand the truth. The information was total truth as the panel was not made up for TV. There was only one question that was possibly purposely not asked and I am assuming it was from fear of reprisal. I had a question it would be ... If there was no vaccine would the Covid
be gone by now?
Good question ...
I don't know if the covid would be gone by now but it sounds like early treatment with "adequate" medicines would have saved many lives and shortened some of the recovery process.
It also sounds like any "vaccination" will always be for the strain "that just was" and never protect against the muted next strain. Probably explains why (as the docs explain) more and more vaccinated people are in hospitals including in ICU. False sense of security thinking one is protected by the vaccine when in effect one can still catch the next variant and pass it on to others undetected since vaccinated people have freedom to move around and be in contact with others.

Scary to hear that more children are dying from the vaccine than ever died from respiratory disease each year blues
Oct 16, 2021 11:53 AM CST 8 prominent Doctors and scientists ...
Dan_777
Dan_777Dan_777Nowhereland, Murcia Spain3 Threads 533 Posts
Fadedbluejeans: .. If there was no vaccine would the Covid
be gone by now?
My answer to that is.
There would be NO Covid!
Oct 16, 2021 11:55 AM CST 8 prominent Doctors and scientists ...
Dan_777
Dan_777Dan_777Nowhereland, Murcia Spain3 Threads 533 Posts
Hola Sel..long time no see wave

I haven't watched the video...yet.

Maybe you could give a summary of what they're talking about?
Oct 16, 2021 12:22 PM CST 8 prominent Doctors and scientists ...
Selenite
SeleniteSeleniteMálaga, Andalusia Spain74 Threads 1 Polls 8,144 Posts
Dan_777: Hola Sel..long time no see

I haven't watched the video...yet.

Maybe you could give a summary of what they're talking about?
Hiya Daniela wave wave

45 minutes of medical and scientific facts in the form of a kind of debate ...far too much info to summarise but I can say that in my opinion it is super interesting whether one is for or against covid "vaccination".
Oct 16, 2021 2:41 PM CST 8 prominent Doctors and scientists ...
Just one thumbdown?jaw drop

Whats going on here ,is the downthumber brigade asleep???grin
Oct 16, 2021 2:55 PM CST 8 prominent Doctors and scientists ...
Selenite
SeleniteSeleniteMálaga, Andalusia Spain74 Threads 1 Polls 8,144 Posts
Dedovix: Just one thumbdown?

Whats going on here ,is the downthumber brigade asleep???
laugh laugh

May be they all watched the video and are too stunned to thumb it down laugh
Oct 16, 2021 2:56 PM CST 8 prominent Doctors and scientists ...
Selenite: 8 prominent doctors and scientists engage in a remarkable exchange ...

Just over 45 min long ... well worth a watch/listen till the end ...
This is the most sensible debate on Covid 19 and the Covid Vaccine that I have seen. I encourage everyone to watch it and then make your opinions known. Listening to scientific experts is where we should be in the battle against a virus. Listening to internet pundits and social media postings for or against - makes absolutely no sense. To summarize the video:

Early detection is critical;
Vaccine only work for those who are immuno-compromised:;
Sick; elderly, obese, and susceptible people;
Children 0-18 do not need the vaccine if other precautions are taken;
Those who contract Covid have a built in immunity to the virus;
We will never reach herd immunity - the virus mutations will prevent herd immunity from occuring.
Variants like Delta or Lamda will continue to proliferate. We cannot use an old vaccine to treat a new virus;
Emergency rooms are full of patients who should have been vaccinated;
Hospitals are at capacity; physicians and hospital personnel want to treat patients - with or without covid.
Separate politics from science. That will help to solve medical problems.

Watch the video. We need more information - not less.
Oct 16, 2021 3:04 PM CST 8 prominent Doctors and scientists ...
Selenite
SeleniteSeleniteMálaga, Andalusia Spain74 Threads 1 Polls 8,144 Posts
president2525: This is the most sensible debate on Covid 19 and the Covid Vaccine that I have seen. I encourage everyone to watch it and then make your opinions known. Listening to scientific experts is where we should be in the battle against a virus. Listening to internet pundits and social media postings for or against - makes absolutely no sense. To summarize the video:

Early detection is critical;
Vaccine only work for those who are immuno-compromised:;
Sick; elderly, obese, and susceptible people;
Children 0-18 do not need the vaccine if other precautions are taken;
Those who contract Covid have a built in immunity to the virus;
We will never reach herd immunity - the virus mutations will prevent herd immunity from occuring.
Variants like Delta or Lamda will continue to proliferate. We cannot use an old vaccine to treat a new virus;
Emergency rooms are full of patients who should have been vaccinated;
Hospitals are at capacity; physicians and hospital personnel want to treat patients - with or without covid.
Separate politics from science. That will help to solve medical problems.

Watch the video. We need more information - not less.
thumbs up

thanks for the summery ...
I shall add that the emergency rooms are also full of people who have been vaccinated but caught a different variant ...
Oct 17, 2021 4:12 AM CST 8 prominent Doctors and scientists ...
ChesneyChristonline now!
ChesneyChristonline now!ChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK2 Posts
Double jab nobody under 40 and don't jab anybody under 18. Excluding the vulnerable. Older people are more or less the only ones who need to be fully vaccinated then you concentrate other treatments at those unfortunate enough to still get sick. Which wouldn't be that many relatively speaking. The vaccines are necessary but they're used wrong. What you should aim is for a 60 year old to get one dose six months before the second. It all needs to slow down. Vaccinating kids is child abuse, making them Dodge covid is child abuse, and rushing for a second dose is abusing yourself.
Oct 17, 2021 4:33 AM CST 8 prominent Doctors and scientists ...
ChesneyChristonline now!
ChesneyChristonline now!ChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK2 Posts
The booster is not a third dose it's your second attempt at a second dose. Your second dose was made impotent and twice as toxic by having it too soon.
Oct 17, 2021 4:39 AM CST 8 prominent Doctors and scientists ...
ChesneyChrist: Double jab nobody under 40 and don't jab anybody under 18. Excluding the vulnerable. Older people are more or less the only ones who need to be fully vaccinated then you concentrate other treatments at those unfortunate enough to still get sick. Which wouldn't be that many relatively speaking. The vaccines are necessary but they're used wrong. What you should aim is for a 60 year old to get one dose six months before the second. It all needs to slow down. Vaccinating kids is child abuse, making them Dodge covid is child abuse, and rushing for a second dose is abusing yourself.
No way mikey. In Ireland 50% of the people in hospital with Covid have received no vaccine. Only 10% of the population haven't been vaccinated, that shows the risk you are taking by not being vaccinated. Those figures don't lie.
Oct 17, 2021 5:16 AM CST 8 prominent Doctors and scientists ...
ChesneyChristonline now!
ChesneyChristonline now!ChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK2 Posts
Basically put the geriatric ruling class has enough child abuse on its hands to make a Catholic priest blush. The old rich are shortening all other lives significantly in order to cheat death for another 6 months. An old guard that eats the young now just as it has done in the past.
Oct 17, 2021 5:20 AM CST 8 prominent Doctors and scientists ...
snowlynx: No way mikey. In Ireland 50% of the people in hospital with Covid have received no vaccine. Only 10% of the population haven't been vaccinated, that shows the risk you are taking by not being vaccinated. Those figures don't lie.
what about the other 50% in Hospital with Covid?confused
Oct 17, 2021 5:26 AM CST 8 prominent Doctors and scientists ...
Conrad73: what about the other 50% in Hospital with Covid?
Can you not understand basic maths?
Oct 17, 2021 5:50 AM CST 8 prominent Doctors and scientists ...
ChesneyChristonline now!
ChesneyChristonline now!ChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK2 Posts
The most privileged generation ever to have lived has gone abortion mad increasing the age you can terminate young life to 40. You see it in the pension system what the old have done to insure themselves is eat the young. Everywhere you go is the attempt to keep the old guard alive and kicking regardless of what happens to everybody else. They put children in the trenches and experiment on them, and what comes out they expect to rob for the rest of your working life. Which will be rest of your life, you'll never retire.
Oct 17, 2021 5:59 AM CST 8 prominent Doctors and scientists ...
7 minutes into the video and I have some observations.

The video is clearly heavily edited. That may simply be a matter of removing 'filler' material of no consequence, but the information put forward doesn't appear to be sequential. That leaves me questioning the possibility of editorial bias.

The input from the panel members appears out of context with no concrete evidence provided to substantiate claims. This leaves arguments open to viewer interpretation and leaps of logic which each of us will do from our own value framework. Trump is a master of this technique of influence/manipulation where many may agree with and support him without him actually saying anything definitive, or of consequence.

The information provided so far is that vaccines aren't the sole answer and we must utilise other strategies as well. We already know that: of course people who get sick need treatment and of course hygiene protcols (masks, social distancing, ventilation, hand washing, cleaning/sanitation) should be adhered to.

Panel members don't specify the 'other strategies' beyond early treatment regimes and so these strategies appear cloaked in mystery, along with the suggestion that they are being blocked by authorities. I wanted to hear the alleged 'blocked' strategies named because I can neither agree, nor disagree without this essential information.

I see from other comments on this thread that people have found the video informative and agreeable, yet no one has highlighted these red flags which appear so early on.
Oct 17, 2021 6:47 AM CST 8 prominent Doctors and scientists ...
ChesneyChristonline now!
ChesneyChristonline now!ChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK2 Posts
At least that's the plan. But the thing is if you're never going to retire there is no reason not to revolt. Forget the spirit of 1914 chomping at the bit to obey the old guard. The old guard does not care about you, growing more old and evil is their concern along with refusing to slide into irrelevance. We've had the spirit of 1914 but now we must tell the old guard that we will not listen to their fatuous nonsense. We were wrong to obey these obsolete and decadent terrorists in power.
Oct 17, 2021 6:50 AM CST 8 prominent Doctors and scientists ...
Approx 7-8 1/2 minutes: vaccine strategy has always been an issue given limited resources and that vaccinatng everyone at once is a practical impossibility.

Vaccinating the elderly and other vulnerable people first isn't just about protecting them.Those most likely to become infected and very sick are those most likely to replicate the virus, spread the virus and burden health services. Vaccinating the most vulnerable first is a strategy which helps protect the least vulnerable, too.

I do agree that a part of that vaccination strategy should be directed at vaccinating the most vulnerable in low income countries. Inhibiting transmission and replication of the virus reduces the possibilty of vaccine resistant variants emerging. The next generation of vaccines should go to the areas where they will be most effective and that's not necessarily in high income countries where most people already have a high degree of protection.

There is nothing new in this argument, although there is some weight in maintaining practical and economic functionality in high income countries so they are in a position to share resources globally. For example, in the UK we have a lot of Delta infection, but comparitively few deaths. We appear to be stable as long as a vaccine resistant variant doesn't take us back to square one. We probably don't need a Delta vaccine booster, but other countries would likely benefit from a Delta vaccine and that in turn may further protect the UK from the possibility of future emerging variants in other countries where more people are less protected.

In countries like the UK, perhaps we need to have conversations about acceptable death tolls and burdens on health services. We maybe need to recognise that, as with other diseases, a zero death toll and total eradication of the virus is unrealistic.
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