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Oct 19, 2021 11:41 AM CST 8 prominent Doctors and scientists ...
LeeCharming
LeeCharmingLeeCharmingCardiff, South Glamorgan, Wales UK537 Threads 273 Polls 6,941 Posts
mikey4691: Yeah, and that puts me in the same boat as them.. Get your boosters, and enjoy, Jac...
i doubt she would listen to you...unless you become a comrade and worship marxlaugh
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Oct 20, 2021 4:25 AM CST 8 prominent Doctors and scientists ...
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
jac_the_gripper: No, masks, social distancing, handwashing and other hygiene practises.

And maybe praying for a bitterly cold winter would be better, at least with respect to some microbes. It's good to have a clear out and we're likely susceptible to lots of bugs and stuff at the moment given 18 months of avoidance.
And what happens at 24 months avoidance?
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Oct 20, 2021 9:01 AM CST 8 prominent Doctors and scientists ...
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
Because what lepers are is the opposite of authority, they're the anti-policeman personified. That's the point is that you're not suspicious of everyone you meet. If anything it's trusting and open to a fault, the endurance of those who suffer is even more of a man than the regular guy. And it'll cost you
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Oct 20, 2021 9:23 AM CST 8 prominent Doctors and scientists ...
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
The truth is that once you've endured enough suffering you begin to call the whole world brother. But this is not the time to be a Charles Dickens or Freddie Mercury. It goes against everything we are supposed to be.
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Oct 20, 2021 10:04 AM CST 8 prominent Doctors and scientists ...
Selenite
SeleniteSeleniteMálaga, Andalusia Spain59 Threads 1 Polls 6,299 Posts
My own personal experience with the "covid virus" is varied.

I know people who've passed away (my Dad - aged nearly 91 who had other health conditions) and I know people who have tested positive and had mild symptoms or others who have been very sick and others who have tested positive but had no symptoms whatsoever. Also some family members who were hospitalised then made it home (some youngish and some aged) ...
I also know people who have been vaccinated and have been more sick with and after the vaccine than they were when they tested postive to covid.

When my Dad passed away both my Mum and brother tested positive but were asymptomatic. I was visiting from Spain (negative test in order to travel) to go to my father's funeral. I was staying at the house with my Mum and brother. I had to decide if I was going to "put a barrier" between me and my own flesh and blood or share the hugs and the love we all needed after losing our Dad and my Mum her husband.
I decided to share the love teddybear
My sister and other brother are vaccinated but I'm not and I won't be. My mother is not but is now immune.
I refused to wear a mask indoors and shared the hugs and the caring for my Mum (aged 88) and supporting my brother who lives there (my other siblings live elsewhere). By the time I left, their viral load had reached immunity levels and my own test result was negative (so I could fly back applause)
Btw I hugged everyone and anyone who visited and/or came to my father's funeral, without fear.

Did I take a gamble? May be... or may be the immune boosting "stuff" - echinacea and mega quercetin- I have been taking for the last year and half did their job ... dunno

I won't live in fear teddybear
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Oct 20, 2021 10:15 AM CST 8 prominent Doctors and scientists ...
Dedovix
DedovixDedovixBig Place, Central Serbia Serbia12 Threads 1 Polls 5,492 Posts
I haven't posted here cause im on my coffee+schnapps+cigarette, break


just kidding, my doctor told me to cut down on coffee,schnapps and smokes


Bazinga, i dont really have a doctor ,i have a immune system grin

And our Immune system has to work, exercise ,just like a muscle,if there are no germs,bacterias ,viruses ,our defence mechanism dystrophies or in some cases,when we get injected with experimental fluids ( gene therapy) ,our immune system turns against us and starts attacking healthy cells
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Oct 20, 2021 10:18 AM CST 8 prominent Doctors and scientists ...
mikey4691
mikey4691mikey4691Knoxville, Tennessee USA8 Threads 6,868 Posts
Selenite: My own personal experience with the "covid virus" is varied.

I know people who've passed away (my Dad - aged nearly 91 who had other health conditions) and I know people who have tested positive and had mild symptoms or others who have been very sick and others who have tested positive but had no symptoms whatsoever. Also some family members who were hospitalised then made it home (some youngish and some aged) ...
I also know people who have been vaccinated and have been more sick with and after the vaccine than they were when they tested postive to covid.

When my Dad passed away both my Mum and brother tested positive but were asymptomatic. I was visiting from Spain (negative test in order to travel) to go to my father's funeral. I was staying at the house with my Mum and brother. I had to decide if I was going to "put a barrier" between me and my own flesh and blood or share the hugs and the love we all needed after losing our Dad and my Mum her husband.
I decided to share the love
My sister and other brother are vaccinated but I'm not and I won't be. My mother is not but is now immune.
I refused to wear a mask indoors and shared the hugs and the caring for my Mum (aged 88) and supporting my brother who lives there (my other siblings live elsewhere). By the time I left, their viral load had reached immunity levels and my own test result was negative (so I could fly back )
Btw I hugged everyone and anyone who visited and/or came to my father's funeral, without fear.

Did I take a gamble? May be... or may be the immune boosting "stuff" - echinacea and mega quercetin- I have been taking for the last year and half did their job ...

I won't live in fear
Are you now known as the hugging lady??? grin
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Oct 20, 2021 11:54 AM CST 8 prominent Doctors and scientists ...
Selenite
SeleniteSeleniteMálaga, Andalusia Spain59 Threads 1 Polls 6,299 Posts
mikey4691: Are you now known as the hugging lady???
My Dad used to call me "B...... (my nickname) la de los abrazos" (the one who hugs) laugh
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Oct 20, 2021 12:06 PM CST 8 prominent Doctors and scientists ...
Selenite
SeleniteSeleniteMálaga, Andalusia Spain59 Threads 1 Polls 6,299 Posts
Dedovix: I haven't posted here cause im on my coffee+schnapps+cigarette, break


just kidding, my doctor told me to cut down on coffee,schnapps and smokes


Bazinga, i dont really have a doctor ,i have a immune system

And our Immune system has to work, exercise ,just like a muscle,if there are no germs,bacterias ,viruses ,our defence mechanism dystrophies or in some cases,when we get injected with experimental fluids ( gene therapy) ,our immune system turns against us and starts attacking healthy cells
I once went to the Doc's for something (I can't remember what) and when he brought up my file he was confused because there was no data about me and I'd been registered about 9 or 10 years laugh

He was even more confused when he asked what medication I'm on and I said "none" laugh He was insisting that a woman "my age" would be on some medication of "some kind". I was like "Nope!! Not even the pill as I don't need it anymore!" rolling on the floor laughing
He was confused
Then insisted I should have a full blood count check up so I allowed them to take a bit of blood and waited for results. The Doc was already excited thinking what meds he was going to be able to put me on rolling on the floor laughing

Then the results came!! The look on his face! blues laugh
He said in a really disappointed voice "Everything is fine" "all the levels of everything are good"

I laughed at him and told him he could at least pretend to be excited that I was in brilliant health laugh

The moral of this story? Docs like to prescribe drugs to feel "useful" and that is not a good thing professor
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Oct 20, 2021 12:12 PM CST 8 prominent Doctors and scientists ...
jac_the_gripper
jac_the_gripperjac_the_gripperTonyrefail, South Glamorgan, Wales UK24 Threads 5,363 Posts
Dedovix: ...or in some cases,when we get injected with experimental fluids ( gene therapy) ,our immune system turns against us and starts attacking healthy cells
Have you got a source/link to go with that, Dedo?
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Oct 20, 2021 12:13 PM CST 8 prominent Doctors and scientists ...
mikey4691
mikey4691mikey4691Knoxville, Tennessee USA8 Threads 6,868 Posts
Selenite: My Dad used to call me "B...... (my nickname) la de los abrazos" (the one who hugs)
laugh .. Cool..
I didn't get the hug gene, but I tolerate it well from those I know that did... I just consider it expected of me... thumbs up
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Oct 20, 2021 12:19 PM CST 8 prominent Doctors and scientists ...
Selenite
SeleniteSeleniteMálaga, Andalusia Spain59 Threads 1 Polls 6,299 Posts
mikey4691: .. Cool..
I didn't get the hug gene, but I tolerate it well from those I know that did... I just consider it expected of me...
"tolarate" sounds a bit like hugging a carboard box laugh laugh
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Oct 20, 2021 12:22 PM CST 8 prominent Doctors and scientists ...
jac_the_gripper
jac_the_gripperjac_the_gripperTonyrefail, South Glamorgan, Wales UK24 Threads 5,363 Posts
Selenite: From Wiki: Coronaviruses die quickly when exposed to the UV light in sunlight. Like other enveloped viruses, SARS-CoV-2 survives longest when the temperature is at room temperature 0r lower, and when the relative humidity is low (<50%) ...

And that brings us onto another incoherence when lockdowns force people to stay indoors and out of the sunlight in optimum conditions for virus load multiplication
We didn't have to stay indoors.Even with our most severe restrictions we could go out for exercise once a day and be in gardens/on balconies.

People tend to stay in during the winter through choice, restrictions, or not. Not being able to go to the cinema, or a pub doesn't change that.
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Oct 20, 2021 12:32 PM CST 8 prominent Doctors and scientists ...
jac_the_gripper
jac_the_gripperjac_the_gripperTonyrefail, South Glamorgan, Wales UK24 Threads 5,363 Posts
Selenite: My own personal experience with the "covid virus" is varied.

I know people who've passed away (my Dad - aged nearly 91 who had other health conditions) and I know people who have tested positive and had mild symptoms or others who have been very sick and others who have tested positive but had no symptoms whatsoever. Also some family members who were hospitalised then made it home (some youngish and some aged) ...
I also know people who have been vaccinated and have been more sick with and after the vaccine than they were when they tested postive to covid.

When my Dad passed away both my Mum and brother tested positive but were asymptomatic. I was visiting from Spain (negative test in order to travel) to go to my father's funeral. I was staying at the house with my Mum and brother. I had to decide if I was going to "put a barrier" between me and my own flesh and blood or share the hugs and the love we all needed after losing our Dad and my Mum her husband.
I decided to share the love
My sister and other brother are vaccinated but I'm not and I won't be. My mother is not but is now immune.
I refused to wear a mask indoors and shared the hugs and the caring for my Mum (aged 88) and supporting my brother who lives there (my other siblings live elsewhere). By the time I left, their viral load had reached immunity levels and my own test result was negative (so I could fly back )
Btw I hugged everyone and anyone who visited and/or came to my father's funeral, without fear.

Did I take a gamble? May be... or may be the immune boosting "stuff" - echinacea and mega quercetin- I have been taking for the last year and half did their job ...

I won't live in fear
I'm sorry for your loss, Sel.

I don't wear a mask, or socially distance when I'm with my family, but I do everywhere else, as do the other adults in the family.

Do I take a gamble? Maybe, but it does reduce the odds when we proceed with some caution. That's not the same as living in fear.
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Oct 20, 2021 12:39 PM CST 8 prominent Doctors and scientists ...
Selenite
SeleniteSeleniteMálaga, Andalusia Spain59 Threads 1 Polls 6,299 Posts
jac_the_gripper: We didn't have to stay indoors.Even with our most severe restrictions we could go out for exercise once a day and be in gardens/on balconies.

People tend to stay in during the winter through choice, restrictions, or not. Not being able to go to the cinema, or a pub doesn't change that.
Here in Spain we were only allowed to shop for food in the nearest shop to our home and take a dog out for a walk round the block once a day for a whole 3 months. Some families live in flats in large towns with no balconies or gardens. Who's talking about cinema or pubs? I doubt people were desperate to go out with their children so they could go get indoors at the cinema or go for a pint. Here there are many family oriented coffee bars/restaurants as Spain is a very sociable nation where people go out a lot as a family. Several generation of people together ... They don't stay indoors unless it rains A LOT ... And it doesn't often rain a lot for any length of time ... in spite of the few flash floods of the last few years ...
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Oct 20, 2021 12:43 PM CST 8 prominent Doctors and scientists ...
Selenite
SeleniteSeleniteMálaga, Andalusia Spain59 Threads 1 Polls 6,299 Posts
jac_the_gripper: I'm sorry for your loss, Sel.

I don't wear a mask, or socially distance when I'm with my family, but I do everywhere else, as do the other adults in the family.

Do I take a gamble? Maybe, but it does reduce the odds when we proceed with some caution. That's not the same as living in fear.
I think everyone needs to do what they feel comfortable with. I'm sorry what I wrote sounded like someone wearing a mask does so out of fear. Everyone has their reasons and needs not justify themselves.
I chose to only wear one when I have to ie in shops/hospitals (when I translate for people)/ public offices etc.
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Oct 20, 2021 12:45 PM CST 8 prominent Doctors and scientists ...
Selenite
SeleniteSeleniteMálaga, Andalusia Spain59 Threads 1 Polls 6,299 Posts
and thanks for your condolences Jac hug
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Oct 20, 2021 1:05 PM CST 8 prominent Doctors and scientists ...
jac_the_gripper
jac_the_gripperjac_the_gripperTonyrefail, South Glamorgan, Wales UK24 Threads 5,363 Posts
Selenite: Here in Spain we were only allowed to shop for food in the nearest shop to our home and take a dog out for a walk round the block once a day for a whole 3 months. Some families live in flats in large towns with no balconies or gardens. Who's talking about cinema or pubs? I doubt people were desperate to go out with their children so they could go get indoors at the cinema or go for a pint. Here there are many family oriented coffee bars/restaurants as Spain is a very sociable nation where people go out a lot as a family. Several generation of people together ... They don't stay indoors unless it rains A LOT ... And it doesn't often rain a lot for any length of time ... in spite of the few flash floods of the last few years ...
I didn't see my family for the first four months of the pandemic, but that was over a year ago. dunno

I guess you have a lot of outdoor seating areas in coffee bars/restaurants. That's beginning to catch on here, but our streets aren't always appropriate for that, especially here in Wales. Pubs often have beer gardens and they have been open for meals/drinks on and off throughout the pandemic.

My point about cinemas and pubs is that if people go out in the winter, they tend to go in. It rains a lot here, so people are going to be indoors somewhere a lot of the time.

How do Spanish dogs only go to the toilet once a day? shock
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Oct 20, 2021 1:09 PM CST 8 prominent Doctors and scientists ...
Dedovix
DedovixDedovixBig Place, Central Serbia Serbia12 Threads 1 Polls 5,492 Posts
jac_the_gripper: Have you got a source/link to go with that, Dedo?
you want a link to my claims that what is pushed through as a vaccine is a experimental drug or that our immune system starts working against us when we receive a gene altering serum ?

By the way did you know that there is a 5 million reward for whoever proves covid virus ?
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Oct 20, 2021 1:17 PM CST 8 prominent Doctors and scientists ...
jac_the_gripper
jac_the_gripperjac_the_gripperTonyrefail, South Glamorgan, Wales UK24 Threads 5,363 Posts
Dedovix: you want a link to my claims that what is pushed through as a vaccine is a experimental drug or that our immune system starts working against us when we receive a gene altering serum ?

By the way did you know that there is a 5 million reward for whoever proves covid virus ?
I'm interested in the autoimmune claim, if you have a link for that.

Is it only linked with mRNA vaccines, or is there a link with all vaccines and/or the disease itself?
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