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Dec 13, 2021 12:57 PM CST Fail-Safe ... Is the Human Race close to this happening?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
sigh hope not

I hope a commander in chief of the USA does not have this kind of power alone. this movie left me numb.

A conversation between the US president and the USSR leader as they try to avoid an accidental nuclear war. Speaks to the cold war paranoia of the 60s era.



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Dec 13, 2021 1:11 PM CST Fail-Safe ... Is the Human Race close to this happening?
secretagent09
secretagent09secretagent09New Jersey Girl in, North Carolina USA198 Threads 4 Polls 7,230 Posts
galrads: hope not

I hope a commander in chief of the USA does not have this kind of power alone. this movie left me numb.

A conversation between the US president and the USSR leader as they try to avoid an accidental nuclear war. Speaks to the cold war paranoia of the 60s era.
I think you are intelligent enough to know that our president alone could not launch a nuclear weapon. Take a minute to read this and you'll see how many safes need to happen before the weapon is launched.

The Gold Codes are the launch codes for nuclear weapons provided to the president of the United States in his role as commander-in-chief of the armed forces. In conjunction with the nuclear football, the Gold Codes allow the president to authorize a nuclear attack. Gold Codes, as well as a separate nuclear football, are also assigned to the vice president in case the president is incapacitated or otherwise unable to discharge the duties of office pursuant to the Twenty-fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution. Gold Codes are arranged in a column and printed on a plastic card nicknamed "the biscuit."

The card's size is similar to that of a credit card, and the president is supposed to carry it on his person. Before it can be read, an opaque plastic covering must be snapped in two and removed.

Gold Codes are generated daily and provided by the National Security Agency (NSA) to the White House, The Pentagon, United States Strategic Command and TACAMO. For an extra level of security, the list of codes on the card includes codes that have no meaning, and therefore the president must memorize where on the list the correct code is located. The concept behind the codes is that they permit the president to positively identify himself as the commander-in-chief and thereby authenticate a launch order to the National Military Command Center (NMCC).

Should the president decide to order the launch of nuclear weapons, the president would be taken aside by the carrier of the nuclear football and the briefcase would be opened. The president would then decide which attack options (specific orders for attacks on specific targets) to use. The attack options are preset war plans developed under OPLAN 8010, and include major attack options (MAOs), selected attack options (SAOs) and limited attack options (LAOs). The chosen attack option and the Gold Codes would then be transmitted to the NMCC via a special secure channel.

Stephen Schwartz, an independent nuclear policy consultant, explained in 2018: "Once [the president's] identity is verified, he gives the order and it is transmitted down the chain of command. The chain of command goes from the president through the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and then, if we’re using long-range weapons, down through the Strategic Command, then the order is relayed to our forces in the field. It always happens extremely quickly."

As commander-in-chief, the president is the only individual with the authority to order the use of nuclear weapons. The president and another high-ranking official, such as the vice president or secretary of defense, must jointly authenticate the order to use nuclear weapons. Nuclear-defense policy expert Franklin Miller states that the president has almost single authority to initiate a nuclear attack; though the secretary of defense is required to verify the order, he or she cannot legally veto it. However, Section 4 of the Twenty-fifth Amendment of the Constitution allows for the vice president, together with a majority of cabinet heads or Congress, to declare the president disabled or unfit to execute the duties of the office.


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Dec 13, 2021 1:26 PM CST Fail-Safe ... Is the Human Race close to this happening?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
Your cut and paste states that a potus alone can order a nuclear strike. You give me too much credit for having intelligence though. Invoking the 25th amendment appears to be the only way to stop an executive order to use nuclear weapons but how much time would it take to invoke it?


secretagent09: I think you are intelligent enough to know that our president alone could not launch a nuclear weapon. Take a minute to read this and you'll see how many safes need to happen before the weapon is launched.

The Gold Codes are the launch codes for nuclear weapons provided to the president of the United States in his role as commander-in-chief of the armed forces. In conjunction with the nuclear football, the Gold Codes allow the president to authorize a nuclear attack. Gold Codes, as well as a separate nuclear football, are also assigned to the vice president in case the president is incapacitated or otherwise unable to discharge the duties of office pursuant to the Twenty-fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution. Gold Codes are arranged in a column and printed on a plastic card nicknamed "the biscuit."

The card's size is similar to that of a credit card, and the president is supposed to carry it on his person. Before it can be read, an opaque plastic covering must be snapped in two and removed.

Gold Codes are generated daily and provided by the National Security Agency (NSA) to the White House, The Pentagon, United States Strategic Command and TACAMO. For an extra level of security, the list of codes on the card includes codes that have no meaning, and therefore the president must memorize where on the list the correct code is located. The concept behind the codes is that they permit the president to positively identify himself as the commander-in-chief and thereby authenticate a launch order to the National Military Command Center (NMCC).

Should the president decide to order the launch of nuclear weapons, the president would be taken aside by the carrier of the nuclear football and the briefcase would be opened. The president would then decide which attack options (specific orders for attacks on specific targets) to use. The attack options are preset war plans developed under OPLAN 8010, and include major attack options (MAOs), selected attack options (SAOs) and limited attack options (LAOs). The chosen attack option and the Gold Codes would then be transmitted to the NMCC via a special secure channel.

Stephen Schwartz, an independent nuclear policy consultant, explained in 2018: "Once [the president's] identity is verified, he gives the order and it is transmitted down the chain of command. The chain of command goes from the president through the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and then, if we’re using long-range weapons, down through the Strategic Command, then the order is relayed to our forces in the field. It always happens extremely quickly."

As commander-in-chief, the president is the only individual with the authority to order the use of nuclear weapons. The president and another high-ranking official, such as the vice president or secretary of defense, must jointly authenticate the order to use nuclear weapons. Nuclear-defense policy expert Franklin Miller states that the president has almost single authority to initiate a nuclear attack; though the secretary of defense is required to verify the order, he or she cannot legally veto it. However, Section 4 of the Twenty-fifth Amendment of the Constitution allows for the vice president, together with a majority of cabinet heads or Congress, to declare the president disabled or unfit to execute the duties of the office.


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Dec 13, 2021 1:51 PM CST Fail-Safe ... Is the Human Race close to this happening?
Myrta
MyrtaMyrtaLacey, Grayland and Lynden, Washington USA5 Threads 171 Posts
Gen. Milley check-mated Trump's ability to launch such a strike even if he wanted to. Why don't you know this, if you're so concerned?

You should read more, starting with transcripts of phone calls between Milley and other government officials, including Speaker Pelosi. You can find them in "Peril" by Costa and Woodward and other recent books.

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley was reportedly so concerned about then-President Donald Trump’s mental state after the U.S. Capitol riot on January 6 that he took steps to ensure the commander-in-chief could not launch a nuclear strike.

The new account is detailed in the forthcoming book “Peril” written by Bob Woodward and Robert Costa of The Washington Post, and was first reported by CNN.

According to the book, Milley “single-handedly took top-secret action to limit Trump from potentially ordering a dangerous military strike or launching nuclear weapons.”

Read on:

"I can guarantee you, you can take it to the bank, that there'll be, that the nuclear triggers are secure and we're not going to do — we're not going to allow anything crazy, illegal, immoral or unethical to happen," Milley told her, according to a transcript of the call obtained by the authors.

"The president alone can order the use of nuclear weapons. But he doesn't make the decision alone. One person can order it, several people have to launch it," he said later in the conversation."
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Dec 13, 2021 1:55 PM CST Fail-Safe ... Is the Human Race close to this happening?
secretagent09
secretagent09secretagent09New Jersey Girl in, North Carolina USA198 Threads 4 Polls 7,230 Posts
Myrta: Gen. Milley check-mated Trump's ability to launch such a strike even if he wanted to. Why don't you know this, if you're so concerned?

You should read more, starting with transcripts of phone calls between Milley and other government officials, including Speaker Pelosi. You can find them in "Peril" by Costa and Woodward and other recent books.

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley was reportedly so concerned about then-President Donald Trump’s mental state after the U.S. Capitol riot on January 6 that he took steps to ensure the commander-in-chief could not launch a nuclear strike.

The new account is detailed in the forthcoming book “Peril” written by Bob Woodward and Robert Costa of The Washington Post, and was first reported by CNN.

According to the book, Milley “single-handedly took top-secret action to limit Trump from potentially ordering a dangerous military strike or launching nuclear weapons.”

Read on:

"I can guarantee you, you can take it to the bank, that there'll be, that the nuclear triggers are secure and we're not going to do — we're not going to allow anything crazy, illegal, immoral or unethical to happen," Milley told her, according to a transcript of the call obtained by the authors.

"The president alone can order the use of nuclear weapons. But he doesn't make the decision alone. One person can order it, several people have to launch it," he said later in the conversation."
Galrad isn't stupid. He is being selective in what he chooses to believe. That's why I posted all the fail-safes that have to happen before it can be launched.

Myrta knows thumbs up christmas cool
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Dec 13, 2021 2:15 PM CST Fail-Safe ... Is the Human Race close to this happening?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
You guys might want to read the article in the following link. I never worried about trump. People trying to sell books want to make trump look bad. Mr biden is the one to worry about because of the you know, you know, the thing.

The info in the link is provided by "The Arms Control Association, founded in 1971, is a national nonpartisan membership organization dedicated to promoting public understanding of and support for effective arms control policies."

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Dec 13, 2021 2:29 PM CST Fail-Safe ... Is the Human Race close to this happening?
Myrta: Gen. Milley check-mated Trump's ability to launch such a strike even if he wanted to. Why don't you know this, if you're so concerned?

You should read more, starting with transcripts of phone calls between Milley and other government officials, including Speaker Pelosi. You can find them in "Peril" by Costa and Woodward and other recent books.

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley was reportedly so concerned about then-President Donald Trump’s mental state after the U.S. Capitol riot on January 6 that he took steps to ensure the commander-in-chief could not launch a nuclear strike.

The new account is detailed in the forthcoming book “Peril” written by Bob Woodward and Robert Costa of The Washington Post, and was first reported by CNN.

According to the book, Milley “single-handedly took top-secret action to limit Trump from potentially ordering a dangerous military strike or launching nuclear weapons.”

Read on:

"I can guarantee you, you can take it to the bank, that there'll be, that the nuclear triggers are secure and we're not going to do — we're not going to allow anything crazy, illegal, immoral or unethical to happen," Milley told her, according to a transcript of the call obtained by the authors.

"The president alone can order the use of nuclear weapons. But he doesn't make the decision alone. One person can order it, several people have to launch it," he said later in the conversation."
Milley is a Punk,who assumed Powers he doesn't have under the Constitution!barf
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Dec 13, 2021 8:14 PM CST Fail-Safe ... Is the Human Race close to this happening?
IntoTheWoods
IntoTheWoodsIntoTheWoodsMoscow, Idaho USA189 Posts
galrads: You guys might want to read the article in the following link. I never worried about trump. People trying to sell books want to make trump look bad. Mr biden is the one to worry about because of the you know, you know, the thing.

The info in the link is provided by "The Arms Control Association, founded in 1971, is a national nonpartisan membership organization dedicated to promoting public understanding of and support for effective arms control policies."

Trump makes Trump look bad. Journalists just expose him.

I'll put my money on Gen Milley's judgment over yours anytime, anywhere.laugh same for Pelosi.

One other modern president was also judged too mentally unstable to have nuclear access. That was Niixon.

Schlesinger and Kissinger knew he was mentally unfit just like those around Trump did. They put steps in place. Look up how they safeguarded the nuclear football.

I won't explain it for you like Myrta does, and I can't give you any benefit of the doubt like another poster regarding your intelligence.

All I know is what you write and it is typical right-wing unreality which leads you to bigotry and hate.
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Dec 14, 2021 3:05 AM CST Fail-Safe ... Is the Human Race close to this happening?
IntoTheWoods: Trump makes Trump look bad. Journalists just expose him.

I'll put my money on Gen Milley's judgment over yours anytime, anywhere. same for Pelosi.

One other modern president was also judged too mentally unstable to have nuclear access. That was Niixon.

Schlesinger and Kissinger knew he was mentally unfit just like those around Trump did. They put steps in place. Look up how they safeguarded the nuclear football.

I won't explain it for you like Myrta does, and I can't give you any benefit of the doubt like another poster regarding your intelligence.

All I know is what you write and it is typical right-wing unreality which leads you to bigotry and hate.
the only one here mentally unfit is you!
And Milley is still a Leftard Punk,who has absolutely NO Command-Authority!
His actions were Treason!
barf
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Dec 15, 2021 2:20 AM CST Fail-Safe ... Is the Human Race close to this happening?
IntoTheWoods
IntoTheWoodsIntoTheWoodsMoscow, Idaho USA189 Posts
Conrad73: the only one here mentally unfit is you!
And Milley is still a Leftard Punk,who has absolutely NO Command-Authority!
His actions were Treason!
Stop the presses!

Swiss garbage man on dating app accuses US general of treason.
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Dec 15, 2021 2:41 AM CST Fail-Safe ... Is the Human Race close to this happening?
IntoTheWoods: Stop the presses!

Swiss garbage man on dating app accuses US general of treason.
Poor Woody,thinks Milley is a Hero!
comfort
He is carved from the same treasonous wood Vindman and the rest of the "woke" military non-leadership is!
That goes from the present CIC on down!
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Dec 15, 2021 3:30 AM CST Fail-Safe ... Is the Human Race close to this happening?
Tiger_Moth
Tiger_MothTiger_MothYeovil, Somerset, England UK23 Threads 2,833 Posts
Hi galradswave

It only needs one idiot. Unfortunately there are plenty to choose from across the World.sigh

Even some on here.wink
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Dec 15, 2021 7:18 AM CST Fail-Safe ... Is the Human Race close to this happening?
bodleing2
bodleing2bodleing2Manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK84 Threads 6,132 Posts
uh oh
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Dec 15, 2021 8:20 AM CST Fail-Safe ... Is the Human Race close to this happening?
mikey4691
mikey4691mikey4691Knoxville, Tennessee USA8 Threads 6,868 Posts
secretagent09: Galrad isn't stupid. He is being selective in what he chooses to believe. That's why I posted all the fail-safes that have to happen before it can be launched.

Myrta knows
Myrta is a leftard troll... Biden gave weapons to the enemy, and is a traitor.. Grow a brain...
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Dec 15, 2021 8:27 AM CST Fail-Safe ... Is the Human Race close to this happening?
secretagent09
secretagent09secretagent09New Jersey Girl in, North Carolina USA198 Threads 4 Polls 7,230 Posts
mikey4691: Myrta is a leftard troll... Biden gave weapons to the enemy, and is a traitor.. Grow a brain...
CS drunk is at his trolling this morning.
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Dec 15, 2021 8:27 AM CST Fail-Safe ... Is the Human Race close to this happening?
mikey4691
mikey4691mikey4691Knoxville, Tennessee USA8 Threads 6,868 Posts
Tiger_Moth: Hi galrads

It only needs one idiot. Unfortunately there are plenty to choose from across the World.

Even some on here.
You included..
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Dec 15, 2021 4:27 PM CST Fail-Safe ... Is the Human Race close to this happening?
blathin
blathinblathinGlasgow, Central, Scotland UK3,125 Posts
Conrad73: the only one here mentally unfit is you!
!
You're the man who on numerous occassions has attributed successful women's success to their laying on their back and parting their legs...

And you have the nerve to say someone else is mentally unfit...men with your disgusting attitude are the ones with problems and they probably go way beyond the realm of psychological as well.....
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Dec 15, 2021 4:31 PM CST Fail-Safe ... Is the Human Race close to this happening?
blathin: You're the man who on numerous occassions has attributed successful women's success to their laying on their back and parting their legs...

And you have the nerve to say someone else is mentally unfit...men with your disgusting attitude are the ones with problems and they probably go way beyond the realm of psychological as well.....
comfort
Only the ones who did!
Like VP Harris for instance!
Willy Brown loved her "officiating".rolling on the floor laughing roll eyes
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Dec 15, 2021 4:37 PM CST Fail-Safe ... Is the Human Race close to this happening?
blathin: You're the man who on numerous occassions has attributed successful women's success to their laying on their back and parting their legs...

And you have the nerve to say someone else is mentally unfit...men with your disgusting attitude are the ones with problems and they probably go way beyond the realm of psychological as well.....
Poor Blathin posting Chrüsimüsi again!laugh
So,you finally go your Tele-Psychologist Degree,have you?
Trying to outdo dear Jac,hmm?laugh
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Dec 15, 2021 4:38 PM CST Fail-Safe ... Is the Human Race close to this happening?
blathin
blathinblathinGlasgow, Central, Scotland UK3,125 Posts
Conrad73: Only the ones who did!
Like VP Harris for instance!
Willy Brown loved her "officiating".
It must absolutely kill you, an ageing, middle aged, white male, who's probably never achieved much with his life (and no one else to blame but himself) to see a young, African American,woman, do what he could never ever do in his entire life....rise to the heights of power in the most powerful government in the world. and be good at it.....

Well suck it up ya mean old man...that's life, get over it...
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